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The group is not removed yet, and it will probably not be removed. We can mention the court decision, but we need to also mention that the decision was on procedural grounds. "EU nations decided in April 2007 to inform groups and individuals when they are placed on the terror list." [1] PKK was listed in 2002. Osman Ocalan's application was dismissed in 2005. 128.211.202.45 (talk) 04:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From MSN, Kurdish group no longer on EU terror list, European Court rules that black listing rebel group, its political arm illegal. The EU's 27 national governments said, however, they had no intention of removing the PKK or any other groups from the list, sticking to previously stated justifications that it had already implemented "a clearer and more transparent procedure" by which it adds people or groups to its blacklist. Today's ruling does not affect the validity of this list, the EU said in a statement, concluding that its interpretation of the ruling does not include the removal of the PKK or others from its list. So the PKK is still on the terrorist list, regardless of the court ruling. Kansas Bear (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry somehow I pushed enter before entering the whole summary. 2) is that there is no change in situation with other countries. So Cyrus' rephrasing was misleading. There was a trial in 2006 (4 years after EU's listing of PKK as a terrorist organization) that an organization that was labeled terrorist had won, as EU had not informed them before listing them. The court universalized their own verdict, supposedly to even the ones that were labeled as terrorist org before that verdict. Apparently PKK won't be removed from the list (Just today, several PKK members were arrested in Belgium, a country where outright killers had roamed free (despite security camera footage of the killing) for many years just because they used only semi automatic rifles while killing a leading member of the second richest family in Turkey, the one that is more popular among the public. Soon after that the head of the family died, and now those killers are in two different EU countries, ttbomk.) 128.211.202.45 (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PKK is NOT a terrorist organization

PLease refer to http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/terrorlists.html where it clearly says that

"April 2008 - CFI strikes another blow to EU "terrorist list" - legality of "reformed" procedures remains in doubt. The EU Court of First Instance has overturned decisions by the Council of the EU to include the Kurdish organisations PKK and Kongra Gel on the EU "terrorist list" (04.04.2008). In Case T-253/04 bought on behalf of Kongra Gel and 10 other individuals, the EU court ruled that the organisation was not in a position "to understand, clearly and unequivocally, the reasoning" that led the member states' governments to include them. It reached the same conclusion in Case T-229/02, bought by Osman Ocalan on behalf of Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). "

Can someone please comment further on this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.127.7 (talk) 23:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

please add this to previous post

"http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=en&Submit=Rechercher&alldocs=alldocs&docj=docj&docop=docop&docor=docor&docjo=docjo&numaff=t-229/02&datefs=&datefe=&nomusuel=&domaine=&mots=&resmax=100" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.127.7 (talk) 23:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even though it states, here[[2]] the PKK has been removed from the EU terror list. It also states in this same article, "The EU nations are obliged to implement the EU court rulings. However, recent changes made by the EU are likely to lead to months, if not years, of complex legal wrangling between the governments, the EU courts and those appealing to get their names off the list before the situation is resolved.." At the bottom of the article, it also states, "The EU's list, last updated in December, includes 54 persons and 48 groups and entities. The next review of the list is planned for June." I would be in favor of keeping the page with the PKK still listed(since technically it still is) until the EU review their list in June. At which time, if the PKK is not listed by the EU, then apply the appropriate editing. There should be, however, mention of the court case and its impact on the PKK's status. Kansas Bear (talk) 04:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see pkk_remains_on_eu_terror_list. Unfortunately BBC and co are not doing a good job updating info recently. Regarding the title of the section, PKK was a terrorist org even before 2002, and even more so, as their attacks did almost diminish in the 21st century, it stayed like that until Pkk was revived after US' Iraq invasion. Now Pkk is on its way to become a Syrian terrorist org. 128.211.202.45 (talk) 09:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we can always state "PKK was listed as a terrorist organization between date1 and date2" sort of naming should PKK be removed from the list. -- Cat ^chi? 12:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I think we need a new section for 'legal status'. It can be a subsection of section "2008 to date", and linked to that Wikipedia article listing the states which have designated PKK as a terrorist organization. We should mention the court decision, and Council of Europe's/EU's decision. We can give a timeline for the legailty, if we do not want it to be part of "2008 to date" section. Also, do all Council of Europe member states recognize PKK as a terrorist organization? That would make the list bigger (Armenia, Azerbaijan, etc. ) 128.211.202.45 (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]