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Xiner (talk, email) 03:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article for Deletion

Oh sorry boss, i'm not really familier with these. sorry again. A M M A R 18:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, it's not a problem - we are all learning. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was telling you off. I just wanted to explain what happened, and why. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 18:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting input

Hi there,

I noticed you for a discussion on MfD, since you have some idea about the topic of Sahaj Marg, If you have some time, it will be nice incase you can give your input about wikipedia policies like RS, NPOV, V, etc about this page [1], use the talk page for your comments. I will address the BLP concerns and then will file for DRV. Thanks --talk-to-me! (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't know a lot about the subject, I am quite familiar with the article history. I'd be glad to take a look. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 23:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments

Thanks for reviewing the RfC of User:Cult free world's proposed page! I have posted a reply for you there. I have tried all my best to convey my findings to CFW but to little effect, any of your further comments would be very useful. Duty2love (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN/I

Thanks for notifying me. I have replied to the message with diffs. Hope you see the things in real light. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't think your statement was all that bad. I'm just trying to resolve the situation so that discussion about the real problem (where the Falls is located) can continue. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 15:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I do appreciate your point of view on this, but in the process of being good, you are letting an editor who has very clearly been intrupting the Hogenakkal falls article from advancing go free. You will see for yourself that I had been as kind as humanly possible with him. That user fails to take third party opinion too. Anyways, I guess we should talk further at the AN/I section to keep records. Thanks anyways. Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bother again on your talk page, but is the AN/I closed? Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 08:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reminder. I've replied on AN/I. I think that particular "incident" is closed; of course we still have to find a way to resolve the underlying content dispute. I'll help with that if I can. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 14:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, SheffieldSteel, to be honest what you have done is to let go the real person who has caused so much wasting of time and energy in the talk page of Hogenakkal falls. Please do go and investigate there yourself. I have replied to you here [2]. If I'm not allowed to refer to WP:Bullshit, why is it there? Why am I warned for that? Your warning message on my talkpage is not fair at all. I have shown you loads of evidence that the user has disrupted the progress of the article. If AN/I is unfair then why do we go there. Who ever raises the voice first walks away getting the other one warned. Is that so? Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 14:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Having said all that, if you can do another third opinion for the issue that will be good too. Atleast this time Naadapriya may heed something. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 14:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I issued the "Civility warning" because I wanted to defuse the issue between the two of you. Remember that all it really is, is a gentle reminder to you that WP:CIVIL should be respected. The two of you are not going to solve this problem by asking the admins to step in and warn/ban/block the other editor, and I wanted to stop Naadapriya pursuing that idea. The way forward is to take one of the dispute resolution tools and apply it to the problem. Sadly, I think that at least one other editor has already commented, so asking for a third opinion is not really applicable to this problem. However, I believe that a Request for Comment could be very productive. If you're interested in this, I could prepare and format it for you. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 15:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if you can help with an RfC that will be a brilliant thing. BTW, in the process of difussing the issue, you just made my moral take a deep dive down the cliff, after me being as tolerant as possible. I never asked any ban or warning on anyuser, but the other one did and got his/her way done. On second thought walking in your shoes, I guess you wanting to difuse is a smart move. Now to move on; When I asked User:John Carter to comment, I didn't know that there was some kinda history between the article Naadapriya was editing and John. I went for him because he introduced me to the world of DYKs and since after that I had been in touch with him with loads of other wiki issues, giving me good honest advices (in my opinion he's a great chap). Anyways, having said that there can be a possible history there, Naadapriya seems not to like John's comment. I think Walton One will be giving his comments too (hoping that there is no history there) pretty soon. In the mean while, if you can look into giving your own opinion, that will be good too, hoping that the AN/I won't be considered as past history. Anything that can end this dispute asap!!! It had already costed me my moral, not sure how much more it will ask for. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I just realised that I should have asked you this. How come you over looked that User:Naadapriya should have raised the what ever issue he/she has with me on my talk page. The AN/I page says that Before posting a grievance about a user here, it is advised that you take it up with them on their user talk page. You may very well think that am being stupidly persistant sitting over the past, but well, if you were me, you will feel the same old stress too. Sorry, I do want to move ahead, and I do sound like a brat. But, as I said, you leaving me warning message, as far as I can see, is completely unfair. Please do not mix up your help on the waterfalls issue with my displeasure on your AN/I ruling. I hate ad hominem. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 16:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(reduce indent) I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I was passing judgment on you, rather than on your posts. That was not my intent. I've reworded the original "warning" and I hope that this may go some way to reducing your stress level. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 17:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear! I was just posting a message for you and it all went off saying there is an edit conflict. Let me recollect.. mm huh.. Yes. Thanks for the message on my talk page. I do appreciate that. As for RfC, let me know if you need me to do anything. Then the next thing I wanted to ask, was if you know anyone who is an expert in geology. My expertise in it is pretty limited as am just an ecologist. I found it interesting that the carbonatites formation at this locaty is one of the oldest in the world and oldest in the subcontinent. It also seem to be an interesting point where the deccan plane falls steep. I am not too positive that leaving a request on a wikiproject page. People hardly get back because they have their own interests anyways. If we can't find one the article as to live with my amateur geology. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 18:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I know just enough geology to associate boundaries of harder/softer rock with spectacular waterfalls... but we already know that's going on. I don't know what to suggest other than to seek out reliable sources discussing the geology of the region. But we really shouldn't be using our own knowledge anyway - I'm know you're aware of the dangers of including original research in an article. Let's continue discussion on the article talk page. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 18:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, these are not ORs. I have papers on them. I can pass them on to you. I don't add things myself without WP:RS materials. Do you think you can do something with that. I can't access them now from home, but once I get to work I can send them across. BTW, thanks for the info on edit conflicts. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 18:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral.

Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations.

Thank you again, VanTucky

hogenekkal issue

i saw u replying to the talk page on this water falls location dispute , its so nice to see you to spare time in resolving issues , and the way you react is nice ...and being the second editor and a person who wants the article to stay the way it is now un disturbed i wish to request you to assist me in working with this article ...being a newbie to these edit conflicts and other such issues im unable to proceed any further on this articles Talk page , i got introduced with this article with enough proofs from 3 sides ie:from the central government(the single largest proof) , from the Karnataka state tourism dept(should be quite enough) , from the Tamil nadu state who owns it since long, but its quite shocking to see a single member disrupts the whole article with multiple edits , it would be nice and supportive and constructive if the member provides some good citations , but the member seems to edit based on unverified claims (Google hits) and some press release , the citations/references that the member gives would be only suitable (may be even not) for a talk page , i refrained from editing this article as im closely watching the improvements towards the troubled side . so i hereby wish so sort of assistance from you about how am i to work / proceed now . regards:--@ the $un$hine . (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Hogenakkal falls

Just thought I should bring a few things to notice for you and John. There is this User:Skbhat who has been adding things to the article. I would like him to participate in the RfC to sort the issue once and for all, because I do have concerns on the references that person is providing as I have mentioned in the user's talk page. BTW can you archive some of you old messages please :D Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 09:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the archiving thing. I've had some... technical issues with the archiving bot. (Technically speaking, I am too stupid to set up the archiving bot.) As for the other user: while I agree that it would be great if they contributed to the RfC, I think it would be a bad idea to suggest it to them because it might create the impression of seeking sympathetic contributions (see WP:CANVASS). SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 15:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I just thought it would be nice to notify the user. Afterall it seems unfair since Naadapriya has to defend the other party stance alone and I got Pearll's sun. I know that head-counts doesn't matter. I was wondering if that user had reasons other than Naadapriya's it would be good to go through them too. I feel it is better to sort out things once and for all, although it may delay the course of RfC, but will help the article in a longer run. Anyways, I guess you would know better. O and thanks for the archiving. My home laptop (after my wife pinched mine) seems to turn into a cheap Argos fan heater when large pages load...lol. Cheers Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My request for help

I note that you informed the editor I am in dispute with of my request for help. In view of this, I just wondered wether you had yet had a chance to read the reply I left for you? _♫ Яєd_xx_♪♫♪_♫♪^Talk 12:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reminder. I'm continuing the thread here. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 12:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Humor

I just wanted to say that I thought this diff was quite funny! Thanks! --Hammersoft (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh :-) Glad you saw the funny side. Parts of that debate are getting a little too scary for my taste. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 18:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh not to worry! The pitchforks are just cardboard props! Honest! :) --Hammersoft (talk) 19:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rfa thanks

Thanks for supporting my recent request for adminship which was successful with 89 supports, 0 opposes, and 2 neutrals. Unfortunately all I can offer is this lame text thanks rather than some fancy-smancy thank-you spam template thingy. I was very pleased to receive such strong support and to hear so many nice comments from editors whom I respect. I’ll do my best with the tools, and if you ever see me going astray don’t hesitate to drop a note on my talk page. Thanks again for your support!--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 03:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipages in need

Wikipedia is strictly buisness (mostly) so I am sending you this message for Wikipages in need.

Plain White T's needs a lot of help. It is a sketchy article.

8- inch floppy disc also needs help. There were a few notes that floppy disk was too long so I made a new article from part of that one.

From, --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 16:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creationism Comment

I realized it was OR, which is why it was on a talk page. Just adding color. If I wrote what I've really found (which I did not because I am not looking for arguments or promoting any single view), it is this: I have never met ANYBODY who would admit to not believing that evolutionary theory is correct, except for two people: One ultra-religious Jew (who in essence even then thought that evolution may be how G-d did it), and one guy who was strongly born-again Christian, who home-schooled his kids because he was afraid that his kids might get a teacher who was not heterosexual. Of course, I live in the NYC Metro area, which is home to all sorts of sinners. :-) Sposer (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hear what you say. Apologies if I was unclear: I wasn't accusing you of OR, but the editor above you, who posted "realistically, about half believe in creation". I found that remark just a little too... remarkable. The fact is, no amount of discussing such questions on the Talk page is going to lead to an improvement to the article - not if it's based on OR. I'll make another post to clarify that. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 14:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. What I believe, or what I find, is irrelevant. Cheers. Sposer (talk) 14:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for your message. I've read it, so it will now be deleted. In regard to that particular subject, both nicknames are commonly-known among those who are fans of the artist. I see no reason for them to require citation, particularly since the artist herself has referred to herself by those nicknames in interviews, as well as radio station promotional liners. In the future, please refrain from getting yourself involved in a discussion which does not directly involve you, as I suspect that you did here. Charmed36 has a long history of incivility toward me, as well as many other editors here on Wikipedia, and I would hate to see you get involved in that. Best regards, --InDeBiz1 (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm replying on your Talk page because I don't want to take the chance of this being ignored. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 22:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

InDeBiz1 and his WP:ANI post

Quick update, I sent both to WP:Mediation. Both users are being very uncivil. Rgoodermote 23:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. I hope they can work it out - clearly they're both interested in making good faith contributions, improving Wikipedia's coverage of modern music, and that's the main thing. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 23:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But apparently not able to learn. They seem to still be at it. I continue to mark it resolved as it is a clear dispute. I am starting lose my cool on this one. So would you mind taking over? Rgoodermote 00:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right. Cup of tea and a biscuit for you, sir. It's is not required of us that we can solve everything, merely that we not walk on by. Thank you for your efforts. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 00:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I told a admin about it (are you an admin?). The admin should be able to settle it better. Anyways I am going log off for the night and get my self some Earl Gray and some Biscuits. Rgoodermote 00:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. You've discovered my little secret: I talk softly and carry no stick whatsoever. Let's see what happens... The parties have it in their power to rise above this and become better editors all-round, or to spiral down into incivility, edit-warring and being blocked. Ultimately, that's their choice. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 01:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For awhile there I was thinking you were an admin. Kind of awkward. Thinking you would make a good one at this point. Rgoodermote 18:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's very kind of you to say so, particularly considering you yourself spent a good deal more effort than me in attempting to resolve the issue between these editors. If I had a hat on, I would take it off to you at this point. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 18:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you mate and thank you for the barnstar. Also, you are welcome. Rgoodermote 20:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Straw poll vote on binary prefixes

I note that you voted on a proposed MOSNUM policy for Wikipedia to use the common binary prefixes like “kilobit” rather than the IEC prefixes (“kibibit”). Since you took an interest in the issue at that time, I thought it proper to let you know that the proposal has since morphed into a broader policy (MOSNUM #Follow current literature). A straw poll on whether the basic principle underlying that policy is sound is currently ongoing here at Talk MOSNUM #Straw poll. I hope you read the policy and vote as you see fit. Hope to see you there. Greg L (talk) 21:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. I have attended the bunfight as requested :-/ not saying it's your fault that it is one SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 22:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you from Horologium

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed unanimously with the support of 100 editors. Your kindness is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Wizardman, Black Falcon and jc37 for nominating me. — Horologium

WP:AN/I

Thanks for your comments on AN/I. I just got a quick query. I may be wrong, but I was under an impression that AN/I's are attended by admins as it says on the top of the page! Is it not the case? Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can read there, and anyone can post - not just admins. User:John Carter, by the way, is certainly an admin and well respected by the community - certainly by me. I'm sorry if my involvement in this dispute may have prevented another admin stepping in earlier on. But remember that an admin doesn't have magic powers or authority - they just have the tools to protect pages, edit protected pages, block users, and so on. I've been trying to resolve this problem before it gets so bad that "admin tools" become necessary. Call me mad, but I still hope that this isn't the case. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 15:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

O that's fine mate! All I wanted to know is a clarification on the rules on wiki. Anyways, I always did and probably will always do in the future too, that the previous AN/I was a bit unfair on me and to learn now that it just went off without an admin looking into is rather disappointing. Please do not take this as to mean anything against you. You had been a genuine person and I do appreciate you for that. Having said that I agree with you 100% that admins don't have magic powers, but it is my feeling that if matters had been looked into in depth in the previous AN/I and things with Naadapriya sorted, it would have been so good and we could have all proceeded with our wikilives much better. Thanks anyways Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 15:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where to find

Do you know where I can find that page were they list various conundrums like "Is it Vandalism if the vandal ups the edit count?" I have a good one and want to add it. But I do not know the link. Rgoodermote 18:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No idea, sorry. But it does sound interesting. Let me know if you find it! SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 19:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh...I saw it AN/I last week and I thought of a nice one...it is a Chuck Norris joke however. Well thanks for answering mate. Rgoodermote 23:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I shifted through the Humor Category and found it here it be. Rgoodermote 23:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per your deeds

I'd say I like you, at least I'd liked what you've tried to do on that # 7 issue, just wanted to let you know. Tachyonbursts (talk) 00:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]