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Misleading/Incomplete Statments

I researched that the PEW Religious Landscape Article was a comprehensive survey of individuals in the U.S. of adult age (18 and over). The sentence used to read "...62 percent it its inhabitans..." when the sentence was comparing the LDS to non-LDS ratio in Utah. I inserted 'adult' before 'inhabitants' to clarify that it was a survey conducted on adults, not the overall population.

I also found that the LDS church reports its end-of-year 2006 data as 1.8 million, or 72 percent of the total population as being LDS. This may be due to non-identifying members of record being included in the head-count. This could also be due to the Church counting all members (even the children under 18) when the survey was conducted exclusively on adults. I do not know what to do with this information. Should we include in the paragraph somewhere that the LDS Church reports 72 percent and than explain why the count may or may not be accurate? Should we leave it as is? I think that both stats are vital, seeing as one may include mis-counted members (such as children) but could also be inflating the numbers to include people that don't identify themselves with the LDS Church. I'm thinking of including both stats in the article to leave interpretation up to the reader. What do you guys think?

Here is the URL to the LDS Church's stats: http://www.newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/utah-membership

Feel free to discuss this data and suggestions as to how to include it (or keep it out) of the article.

User:Aspen04 13:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At the end of the second paragraph, the article places the fact that Utah is "the most depressed state" shortly after mentioning that 61% of Utahns are members of the LDS church. This leads the reader to associate the high depression rate with the strong presence of the LDS Church. I went into the link provided and am now going to edit the statment to read:

"A 2007 study of mental health examining state and national data for statistical associations between access-to-care factors and actual health outcomes, namely a state's overall mental health status and suicide rate, ranks Utah lowest on its list. This would make Utah the most depressed state in the United States."

This will provide the reader with a concise explanation as to why and what causes the low depression rate.

User:Aspen04 18:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Contradicting Statements

The opening paragraph states that about 88% of Utah's population lives along the Wasatch front, but the 4th paragraph of the Geography section says 75% of the state's population live in the area. Does anyone know which is right? Could we get a source? HotWheels(53) Talk 17:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first stat states that 88% of the state lives within an urban center with SLC at its center. This "Urban Center" goes from Nephi to Logan. The 2nd stat is only talking about the Wasatch Front (Utah, Salt Lake, Davis, and Weber counties).

User:Aspen04 18:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing citations & footnotes

I see this article has been tagged since July for not having enough footnotes and/or citations. Did the discussion part of this page get wiped out? Does anyone have a list, even partial, of what parts need citations? If the deficit isn't extensive, and the population distribution figures is the only identified problem, we don't need a tag on the whole article. Preston McConkie 19:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just search the rendered page for the word "citation." I've already used that to find one and clear it up (Great Salt Lake desert's aridity). I'm working on the next: record high temperature. — Jaxad0127 19:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That one's been fixed. Looking at recent population growth in Juab and Millard counties. — Jaxad0127 19:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll just list them, with location:
  • Juab and Millard county growth (Demographics opening)
  • Percentage of British/Danish ancestry (Race and Ancestry)
  • Tongans mostly here after LDS conversion (ditto)
  • Hispanic increases along thew Wasatch Front (same)
  • African American community near Hill AFB (-_-)
  • Percentages of LDS population in urban vs rural areas (Religion)
  • Other Christian faiths 1/4th of population (ditto)
  • Most paragraphs under Politics (6 total)
  • Vicente Fox's visit due to growing presence of Mexican Americans (Miscellaneous)
  • Popular subculture Straight Edge (ditto)

— Jaxad0127 20:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's also an OR under politics. — Jaxad0127 20:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest more notes for Utah's population and demography, and here's what I considered for the article:
  • Utah County has the largest Icelandic American population.
  • Sanpete County is about a quarter (26%) Danish American.
  • Filipino Americans are the state's largest Asian group.
  • Need to include the state's Japanese-Americans' struggle during WWII, plus the Topaz war internment camp in the Sevier Desert.
  • A sizable community of East Indians in the state, including an annual "Festival of India" in Spanish Fork, south of Provo.
  • An active Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual community thrives in Salt Lake City, The Advocate magazine ranks SLC as one of the 50 nation's hot spots for the subculture.
  • A projected Mormon minority in Utah by the year 2060, while the percentage of Mormons dropped to about 50% in Salt Lake County.
  • The multiethnic Sugar House district in Salt Lake City that contradicts the perceived image of Utah as "homogeneous" white or Mormon.
  • The relatively good relationship of Mormons and American Muslims in Utah, even in such times like post-9/11 hysteria and The War on Terror in the US.
  • Wikipedia had an article on Utah Italians describes the state's small but established Italian-American community.

+ 71.102.53.48 (talk) 14:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Temperature removal

I removed the table with the temperatures because of [1]. It was also very unclean and it was longer than the page. I use a 1440 * 900 screen. --Sodaplayer talk contrib ^_^ 04:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

I've sometimes heard Utah pronounced /juˈtɔ:/. Is there any basis for this? -- c

I'm not good at interpreting these pronunciation keys, but apart from a slight vowel shift, you're asking about stress on the second syllable? I've heard a range of vowel sounds on the second syllable (I think both a: and ɔ: would be accepted), but the first syllable is almost always given emphasis—among locals, anyway. Cool Hand Luke 22:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking about both differences, but especially the peculiar vowel sound. I wouldn't call it a slight vowel shift - in British accents, the two phonemes are very different. -- Smjg 22:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. In Utah, the first syllable is always stressed. If you see anything in writing supporting the second one, it could be added to the article as an alternate pronunciation. — Jaxad0127 02:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain Biking

The Tourism section should contain something about Moab etc and Mountainbiking - Jacob.roecker 18:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old Fact Tags

 DoneThere are a lot of unsourced statements going back almost a year. I intend to remove them, but I wanted to give some notice on this talk page first to give a last notice to add references before the statements are removed. Alanraywiki (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We need a better picture of the Utah flag

When you click on the picture of the Utah flag and view the larger image, it doesn't look very good.

1. You can't read the year that Utah was settled, 1847.
2. The white things by the bee-hive look like cotton balls or something, they are supposed to be the state flower, the Sego Lilly.

Can I have permission to find a better picture of the Utah flag and put it in the place of the old picture of the Utah flag?

Kaydell2 (talk) 05:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are totally able to do that as long as you properly tag your image. I recommend showing it to us here so we can see which is the dominant image before putting it up on the article. I do agree with you that the current image looks pretty bad. Also try to look for a svg as they can be scaled indefinitely. --Sodaplayer talk contrib ^_^ 06:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too many pics

There are too many, they kind of get in the way of the text flow. Perhaps someone can make a picture gallery? Thanks...Smarkflea (talk) 18:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other Christians

Are the Orthodox citizens listed under "Other Christians"? 71.194.63.161 (talk) 01:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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