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This is a great image. David archuleta looks great here, (as usual). I was disapointed that he did not win, he is AMAZING User: Americanidol111 —Preceding comment was added at 18:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

David Cook is amazing too, though. I personally hoped that Cook would win, and he did! :) David Archuleta will definetly get his shot at fame -- he is already so talented and he's so young. His time will come -- he already has millions of fans and will gain even more. His personality is adorable and he is super talented. _aimee.

Honduran American?

Just because his mother is from Honduras, that means we label him as an Honduran American? I say that unless some third party source identifies him as such, or he clearly states somewhere he is an "Honduran American", then his inclusion in this category should be removed. Gwynand (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, if there is a category "people with Honduran ancestry" I could be swayed to include that instead. Benjiboi 21:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Issue resolved. He is Honduran American. A third party source identify him as Honduran American. [1] Casarch (talk) 00:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That link doesn't lead anywhere. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 11:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, he's Honduran-American, but that should not be the first thing said about him. He doesn't sing ethnic music. He could as just as easily be said to be a "LDS" singer or a right handed singer. Since it seems some adjective is needed, changed it to a pop singer, which describes the music. Maybe someone else has a better description of what he sings.

Hess88 (talk) 09:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

He doesn't sing ethnic music??? Is this a joke??? Do you know what Honduran-American mean?? It just means he is half-Honduran. It is not an adjetive. That link does lead somewhere since you Gwynand wanted a third party source that identify him as Honduran-American or a source where he states somewhere he is Honduran-American. Well, I give you both. Here is the third party source that identify him as an Honduran American [2] and here is a source were he clearly states he is half-Honduran [3] Casarch (talk) 18:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC) ! It's not the first thing to say about him. His claim to fame is singing pop music, not being a Honduran American. I just took the reference to his ethnic origins out of the first sentence.Hess88 (talk) 03:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's take a step back here. I am not suggesting that David is not half Honduran, or Basque. Those parts of info in the article are fine. I am saying, Wikipedia does not choose to further call Archuleta a "Honduran American" or "Basque American" if he is never specifically identified by those terms in any independant source. Again, the link you gave goes to TV.com but with a 404 error. The other source doesn't call him an Honduran American. The applying of these labels in the US is somewhat arbitrary. Technically, I am a German American under the defintion of that term, but I don't identify as such and neither do others identify me in such a way. If I were famous, it would not be up to the discretion of Wikipedians to give me this label in my article. Wikipedia simply repeats what is already given in reliable sources. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

He is specifically identified as a Honduran-American in the first link I provided. Here is the link were David is specifically identified by those term. "David James Archuleta is a Honduran American with dark brown hair and hazel eyes who was born on December 28, 1990 in Miami, Florida, USA. Critics and fans alike call him a singing prodigy due to his early development and talent in singing. He has a growing fan base due to his numerous appearances on television talent shows like American Idol and Star Search . David sings Pop, R&B and Soul... " http://www.tv.com/david-archuleta/person/325960/summary.html and in this other link David himself identifies himself as being Half-Honduran. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/american-idol/profile/david-archuleta.aspx Casarch (talk) 18:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I can read that now, although as a whole other issue, that is not the greatest source. I'll let others come and comment on this issue. There are many other people with such ancestry, say like America Ferrara, but on Wikipedia we simply do not further a label that they don't use for themselves nor is really used in the public eye. Of course, Ferrara and Archuleta having Honduran ancestry are known facts, but people simply aren't going around calling them Honduran Americans, they don't say "I am Honduran American" (or at least sources don't show that) and hence, Wikipedia doesn't make that assumption. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I definitely don't think this belongs in the lead. Just because some source somewhere called him a "Honduran-American", doesn't mean it's significant enough for the lead. If he sang Honduran music, or regularly identified himself Honduran-American, that would be one thing. Otherwise, this is a minor personal detail that should be mentioned (and already is) in the bio section of the article. Cogswobbletalk 19:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It could be in the lead if it were seen as pretty important to his career and identity, which it isn't. He talks about himself every week and his heritage has not been given much coverage at all. He's as much Basque-American as Honduran-American so bring that material up in the section about his family and provide some good sources so those interested can read more if they choose. 71.139.56.59 (talk) 00:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed the sentence about his ethnicity because it was poorly sourced. The first two sources, Internet Movie DataBase and TV.com, can have trivia added by anyone. The third source, BuddyTV, also can have trivia added by anyone, but at least has a quote supposedly from David. Unfortunately if you enter that quote in a Google search without the quotation marks the only hit is the BuddyTV page. The fourth source is just a repeat of the third source. None of these sources have the fact-checking required to be a reliable source on Wikipedia. Aspects (talk) 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Table input

Personally I feel the table doesn't need to be sortable, is there really a benefit to it? And I feel it would look better if the columns were center aligned as they were prior, so if that were addressed I would care a bit less about the sortable feature Any thoughts? Banjiboi 19:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I've apparently fixed it as I found a clue on the wikitable talk page as to how to center the columns. Banjiboi 20:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Who cares what order David performed in? Unless it is shown to make some big difference that seems like something for a fansite. 71.139.50.253 (talk) 22:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Farnham vs. Pescetto/Foster.

Apparently, there's been some debate over which artist should be credited. Generally, the original artist is the one credited, but this is a unique situation--so I added a footnote next to Farnham's name on the chart.

Although Foster and Pescetto remade the song in 1990, ORIGINALLY the Australian Farnham's track (released in '85/'86 overseas) was attempted a re-release by BMG records. It failed to chart, but the theme that week was not "Top 40 songs from your birth year". It was simply songs from the year they were born. Ergo, Farnham's name rightfully belongs on the chart. But the footnote should take care of matters.--Cinemaniac86^Oy_gevalt. 21:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Archuleta

Interview with Davids Dad - [4]. 71.139.52.181 (talk) 01:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Jeff's at it again. Reportedly banned from A.I. http://www.tmz.com/2008/05/09/archuletas-dad-banished-from-idol/ Worth the review and inclusion in the controversy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.63.153 (talk) 04:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC) Also, shouldn't be noted that Us Weekly and People are the type of blow-liquid-sunshine-up-your-ass type of P.R. damage control media sources, like 'Entertainment Tonight'? Jeff "clearing" up is just that-- spin.

We shouldn't throw mud at anyone here - let the sources speak. Jeff has been banned and we simply report it - let the reader decide the rest for themselves. 71.139.15.189 (talk) 22:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Lock

Could someone please request a semi-lock on this page, it would benefit to all registered users in keeping the article free of vandalism and speed time improving/monitoring other Wikipedia articles. ---Your1727^{User talk:Your1727} 5:50 pm May 1, 2008 (UTC)

I think thats a ridiculous idea. --69.133.83.124 (talk) 21:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You can request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for protection. 71.139.49.58 (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Honduran American

Identifying David Archuleta as "Honduran American" in opening sentence of article and Category!! reason=Dispute over whether to call him Honduran American or just American!! time= Gwynand 18:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

• RfC response: His father is not Honduran I would refrain from calling him that, since it is not the most accurate nomer. Simply hispanic or Hispanic American is best, and not in the lead section, since that is not a contributing factor to his notability.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Homosexuality

Resolved

 – If a reliable source discusses this then submit it on the talk page for possible use. Banjeboi 02:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I completely understand that he may not be gay, but I thought it would be best to present the facts in the article, especially as it is definitely a controversy. Please discuss here before removing. It is well supported and referenced. Carter | Talk to me 12:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I was about to remove the whole section when an anon user did it for me. In general blogs and google hits are not acceptable reliable sources, Wikipedia:Reliable sources. For biographies of living people, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, is more strict than biographies of dead people. Per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Reliable sources: "Material about living persons available solely in questionable sources or sources of dubious value should not be used, either as a source or as an external link (see above). Self-published books, zines, websites, and blogs[5] should never be used as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article (see below)." Aspects (talk) 14:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That being the case is there a way we can address this issue then? It is a big controversy and should be addressed. Carter | Talk to me 14:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

If it really is a big controversy, then numerous reliable sources would have reported it. The burden is on you to find the reliable sources if you want the information in the article. I doubt it is that big of a controversy when all of the blog entries are from February when the show first started airing. If it was really that big there would be more recent articles written about it. Aspects (talk) 14:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Please also remember he's a kid and is known for his singing, not his religion, not his father yelling at him and not his being gay or not. If it's confirmed he is actually gay then it will be headline news all over the world and there have been past gay American Idol singers so it will be reported if true. 71.139.14.94 (talk) 14:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Amen to that. As a homosexual myself, I believe that until confirmed, there shouldn't be mention of it at all. Wikipedia is for the facts and besides, there is more to people than gay or straight, so wait until you hear it from his lips or an official source. Do I believe he's gay? Perhaps. You never know, but kid's got enough pressure in his life, he does not need his sexual orientation to factor into it as well. Projectlongbeach (talk) 21:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I realize now in retrospect it was silly of me to include this information at all. Originally, I just felt that having seen it all over the internet like I had, that I would include it, but that was obviously a mistake. Carter | Talk to me 10:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with being homosexual, yet David Archuleta is not, as he stated on Regis and Kelly that he would love to look for a girlfriend when he is not so busy. He also has discused a girlfriend in a somewhat gitty and exited way during American Idol interviews. User:Americanidol111

FYI, that neither confirms nor contradicts one being gay. Banjeboi 02:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Controversy section

Please fix the last line It currently says - However, a May 2008 Associated Press article reported that Jeff Archuleta had his son add lyrics of another song into a rendition of Stand by Me, costing thousands of dollars in additional royalties, resulting in Jeff's being banned from remaining American Idol rehearsals and backstage.[32]
The source doesn't say how much extra the royalties were and it also only states he was banned from rehearsals not backstage itself - we shouldn't infer the rest. 71.139.45.206 (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I also think that you should add the new information that David has said during his press week in NYC about his father. He said "my dad is a great guy, he's given me great advice but he has let me do my own thing" he said this on the CBS Early Show Show May 29th, 2008.

Also in reference to the "Stand By Me" lyric change David said "I heard that it was said that my dad made me do it but it wasn't even first suggested by him. It was when I was rehearsing with the people who help with the arrangements, I don't think they understood either. It was just a big misunderstanding. I just thought it was something cool to do, I didn't mean anything bad by it. They didn't even tell me there was anything wrong with it until the day after the performance." He said this on Star 94 radio in Atlanta May 29th, 2008.

CBS Morning Show Article: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/29/earlyshow/leisure/music/main4134585.shtml?source=search_story

Link for the radio interview: website: http://www.star94.com/shows/mm_index.cfm?show=mm direct link for audio clip: http://www.star94.com/dynamic/audio/David%20Archuletta.mp3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeter021992 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

dad's business / occupation add?

Not sure where this might go, but some interesting details of David's dad's occupation in Utah.

In 1998, Jeff Archuleta founded a computer services firm in Salt Lake City called Arch Consulting, which specializes in reselling used business technology equipment. The company flourished when the dot-com bubble burst in 2001. After David's Star Search success, Jeff expanded his business to include CD production and distribution and music production for young artists.

source: http://blog.channelinsider.com/content001/channel_chatter/american_idols_david_archuleta_has_one_lucky_var_dad.html

Chrisgon (talk) 00:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Please fix intro

"If he wins American Idol on May 21st, 2008, he will become the youngest Idol in the show's history--one week before he would be exactly 17 and a half (6 days younger than Jordin Sparks was when she won in 2007)." This should be removed from the lead and possibly put into the American Idol section. If he wins it can be added he was the youngest winner. 71.139.30.242 (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Religion

I know that he's from Utah, and a lot of Mormons claim that he is also Mormon. Is this true?Dan (talk) 05:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• ABC News reported that he is LDS. 74.247.178.20 (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

  This might help a little. Carter | Talk to me 10:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

References

Can someone look at the reference layout please? Numbers 28 and 29 look all garbled into 27. I'm not real savvy on the Wiki formatting and don't know how to fix it correctly. --MartinezMD (talk) 05:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It has something to do with the following edits here, but I don't have time to try and fix it myself at the moment (seeing how there's been edits since), but I thought I'd point it out to whoever does. - Io Katai (talk) 06:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I hadn't seen where it occurred. I think I have it fixed now. --MartinezMD (talk) 15:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Gasping?

Why is he always gasping for air mid sentence? Does he have really bad asthma or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.44.2 (talk) 23:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

This could come from incorrect breathing (while he's singing). Also, any sort of problems wit the vocal cords (he had vocal cords paralysis) could cause this. Or that could just be the way he is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.60.225 (talk) 22:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Commercial Appearance

The commercial David appeared in was for the game Guitar Hero, not Rock Band. Sperin4 (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 11:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Its obvious if you've seen the commercial that it was for Guitar Hero. --Mjrmtg (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Obvious that it is Guitar Hero over Rock Band? They use the same guitars. I'm sure there is a source either way. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 12:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

That wasn't so hard. I'll change and put the source in. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 12:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Sperin4 (talk) 06:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Announced, Declared, Proclaimed...

Word choices are sometimes awkward and the description of him coming in second place seems to be one that we are looking for a best fit (with several changes occurring). I changed it for now to "he became" first runner up. It wasn't a proclamation, but a contest ranking so maybe we can discuss this before we nit-pick it to death, unless of course everyone is happy with my choice ;) --MartinezMD (talk) 00:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

It just occured to me we could also use 'voted' first runner up since that is how he got his position. --MartinezMD (talk) 01:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

"Voted" works. "Became" works. But "proclaimed" (a word choice I'd seen earlier--although it might've been in the Cook article)? Gimme a break here. The Queen of England can proclaim. A bazillion giggling teens (or post-teens, such as myself) on cell phones can vote. "Voted" is a little more informative than "became," especially for those who aren't familiar with the show, but either seems to work. Cosmic Latte (talk) 06:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

It was here. I saw it went through a series and couldn't stand it at 'proclaimed', so out it went. --MartinezMD (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh man I didn't like it when I first saw proclaimed but it had already gone through several changes and didn't want to stir the pot. Became, I think is perfect. Well done to who changed it. Now I can rest in peace. Carter | Talk to me 09:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Siblings

He is the second oldest of five siblings, not the oldest of four siblings. He has a sister, Claudia, who is 18 and therefore a year older. He also has a younger brother and two younger sisters. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700226989,00.html?pg=2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidewalkends (talk • contribs) 13:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

This is correct, I've stated he has four siblings in the article. Although places on the web might state all his siblings names, there is no news article/reliable source that has given them, just blogs, etc. Please DONT add the names without a reliable source, it is somewhat a BLP issue. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Protection Status

If the article is semi-protected, how is it that people who aren't signed in are able to make edits? --MartinezMD (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

They're more than welcome to create an account. Carter | Talk to me 22:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not the point. The point is that the article is labelled as protected, but it isn't. A lot of the vandalism occurs because it is convenient. A lot can be avoided because they don't want the extra step of creating an account each time. --MartinezMD (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a good point... ips have been editing... I'm not sure if the protection is set up correctly. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 23:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, it looks like it wasn't protected, but the semi-protect symbol was left up from the last time. I removed it. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 23:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

But I am going to ask for some semi-protection, it's been crazy recently. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 23:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Jive records

is it true that david archuleta has signed with jive records as this has been noted on several sites and i think previously on here?Idolfan367 (talk) 05:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No one has posted news about such a contract from a reliable source. Rumors from blogs and forums do not suffice for an encyclopedia. Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Just came here to discuss this. Here are the facts... there are rumours galore that he has signed with Jive. ONE, I repeat, ONE reliable source, a houston chronicle blog, states in a weird, secretive way that Jive announced they Archuleta will have an album out this summer. It doesnt actually state they signed him. Furthermore, the jive website is filled with press releases and a list of its artists, but there is NOTHING about Archuleta. I think we'll get some reliable news on this in the next few days, but until then, the info will have to stay out. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

David Cook

Should the fact that David Cook won be mentioned in the introduction to this article? I, personally, am rather indifferent on the issue, but I figured I'd create this section as an alternative to all the edit-warring that has been going on about it. (See also the discussion at Talk:David_Cook (singer)#David_Archuleta.) Cosmic Latte (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you mention he was runner up, then the logical question someone would ask is 'Well, who won?' so I think it's appropriate in the body of the article, but not the lead. --MartinezMD (talk) 23:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

My objection is editors continually calling him the "first runner up". This is not Miss America. He's 2nd place or runner up. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Accordingly, I've removed a "first" that popped up in the Archuleta reference in the Cook article and will be on the look-out in case it reappears. Cosmic Latte (talk) 11:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Question about Youtube Reference

OK, how is a youtube reference not reliable when the reference is a video of the person saying exactly what I referenced them saying in the article? I could reference a news story from a reliable source saying that they said this, but it would seem to me that a video of the person saying it directly would be even more credible. Am I missing something? Truthseeker7 (talk) 14:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Generally, YouTube is frowned upon as a source because the majority of what's on there are copyright violations. It's talked about here and here. It isn't an outright ban, but I can guarantee you that what you linked to is a copyright violation since it's taken straight from American Idol. In principle, you are correct, but the copyright policies we have (plus the fact that YouTube material can easily be manipulated even if this particular video wasn't), makes it generally not ok to link to YouTube. There are exceptions, of course, but not many. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

And, for an interesting counterpoint, see this page. Cosmic Latte (talk) 09:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

religion

what's the religion of david archuleta???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.198.162 (talk) 01:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the place for such questions, but he is Mormon. Actually, it should be added into the article that he is a Mormon. Knowitall (talk) 04:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Will you also add the religion to each of the other American Idol contestants? Alanraywiki (talk) 04:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

This should do the trick: "A Los Angeles Times article speculated why Archuleta avoided singing the first verse of 'Imagine': because 'of his religion (Mormonism), he's unlikely to espouse the song's agnostic ideal.'" Cosmic Latte (talk) 08:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)