Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver

Battery

CZMQFRG 09:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Like a lot of people worldwide my Pokémon Gold Version's internal clock battery ran flat deleting the save file. I think this is a fault that should have been corrected or taken into account years ago. CZMQFRG

So, the clock caused the battery to die earlier? Because you know, all batteries die eventually and its ONLY worth mentioning if this game's specific mechanism accelerated the progress. 64.178.102.77 14:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not a fault. Unless you've invented a never-ending battery.... 202.7.202.2 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it is definitely a fault and I think it's unacceptable for it not to be rechargeable. Surely the technology was around back then. WikiSlasher 08:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

random passrby: 9:14 sunday august 20: What kind of battery do the ruby, saphire, and emerald games run on? is it done on the same battery that holds the game save? (i think they're two different batteries in gold and silver, as my copy's clock has stopped, and only runs when the game is on, yet my game data is still fine)

if so, it could have potentially been done the same for gold and silver, or more usefully, the cartrige could be modded with a rechargeable battery holding the clock. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.149.133.42 (talk • contribs) .

The Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald versions' batteries are not rechargeable...However, They use a memory chip for the save in R/S/E, so you usually do not need to worry about that, also, the Red, Blue, and Yellow versions use a battery chip, not an internal battery.

Interestingly enough, although I purchased my Gold Version at launch, the memory was not erased. Silver, however, is another story.

-- Mik 03:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, my two silver batteries ran out so now they will not save, though i can still play on them at least.-EEVEE103

It's a fault that couldn't have been foreseen. Very few games (if any) in the GBC generation use an internal clock; the fact that it can keep real time when the game is off demonstrates that the clock runs off the battery. In any case, most people's batteries took at least five years to die, and Nintendo couldn't have tested the game for five years before release without knowing of the existence of the problem. Pokemon Crystal also uses a newer battery with a longer life, which is why almost nobody has a dead Crystal. If you trade all your pogeys to another game or Stadium 2, you can then change the battery with a new one from Radio Shack, which undoubtedly has an even longer battery life than the equivalent batteries from half a decade ago.

As for recharging the batteries, someone at SPPf seems to have discovered a method. http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=149013 67.54.145.54 19:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds pretty 1337 --WikiSlasher 15:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Im glad im not the only one that had my games internal battery die... I feel much better now, thankyou, user 67.54.145.54.-EEVEE103

Soldering the battery? [1] Shouldn't that be dangerous, heat plus contact to battery = explosion? My friend did it by carefully sawing the solder off and tape it back together. That is less risky. oh wait that was for removing the battery. --88.105.54.35 17:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So your saying that the battery dying has to do with the internal clock in gold? Because I never heard of red or blue having there batteries die. My blue game is 9 years old and shows no sign of breaking. My gold game is 8 years and it is also still saving as it should. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.137.50 (talk) 01:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm also glad to hear I'm not the only one with a bad battery. One interesting thing to note (at least it's happened to me with Game Boy games) is that the game crashes the first time it's used with a bad battery (either that or my game boy and transfer paks corrupt saves). On color systems, it causes the color pallete to get messed up and eventually crash. However, restart and it will work, but with no save. --Dashwarts 3/29/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashwarts (talk • contribs) 22:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Cancelled category

Please see Category:Cancelled computer and video games. The description there says the catgories like this are for games cancelled before release. That's why I reverted it. --WikiSlasher 13:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the Wikibook?

Wikibooks claims it has nothing on the subject of Pokemon Gold and Silver (or Red and Blue, etc.), so what happened to 'Wikibooks has more info on the subject of Pokemon Gold and Silver? 169.229.121.94 00:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

They used to, but I believe it was deleted because of some decision that Wikibooks no longer carries video game storylines, or something to that effect. EllipsesBent 01:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm on a wiki called StrategyWiki and some of the Wikibooks articles have been moved here, I'm the main contributor to the guide for Silver, Gold and Crystal, do any of you think that we should link to it from this page or will I need to do more work on it?

Here are a few links from wikibooks:

Jimmy Wales comments on What is Wikibooks

Jimmy Wales comments on Wikibooks

"He is Giovanni's son"

It is stated in the article that the rival in this game is Giovanni's son... where did you get this information from? There are no sources attached to it and it is (definately) not stated in the game itself.

Yoda921 07:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Yoda

In Firered/Leafgreen in the islands, a team rocket scientist says something like this when you beat him (not a direct quote). "You're tough, and you're around the boss's son's age...but wait...his son has red hair." The reference to red hair plus the fact that if you look at official artwork of Giovanni and the rival next to each other you can kinda see a resemblance.Mavrickindigo 18:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

It's additionally outright stated in the Special/Adventures manga, which I'm pretty is endorsed by Tajiri himself.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The "splitting" of the Special stats

The article states that "another major change from the original series was the splitting of the Special stat into Special Attack and Special Defense. Again, this increased aspects of strategy, for Pokémon were now more specialized. Some were good special attackers, while others were better physical attackers; the same now held true for defense and special defense. For example, Cloyster has a decent Special stat in Red/Blue/Green/Yellow, but in all later games, has a decent Special Attack, but low Special Defense."

Are we certain that the Special stats were actually changed, and not just that the two separate stats always existed in the form of hidden values (which is what I always assumed)? Is there any official source that explicitly states that the Special stats were actually augmented, and not just displayed differently? (When trading between 1st Generation and 2nd Generation versions, you can view the split version of the Special stats of pokemon in the 1st Generation game. And they don't seem to be just automatically assigned values, they differ between individual pokemon of the same species). Radioactive afikomen 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

In the Pokemon games, a stat is determined by several values, including the "base stat" for the species (which cannot be changed), EVs (known back in the day as "stat experience"), and by the IVs (formerly known as "DVs"). All these work together to create another value, which is the numerical value of the stat.

DVs are a two-byte value, which represents four individual DVs, each with a possible value of 0 to 15 (for 16 total possibilities). First DV is attack, then defense, then speed, and then special. The HP DV is determined by the other four DVs. In GSC, Special Attack and Special Defense both use the same DV (they also use the same EVs as well, but that's not important). However, the base stats in GSC have six possibilities: HP, atk, def, spd, spclatk, spcldef. The Special Defense stat is determined through the base Special Attack stat hardcoded into the game cartridge, the DV (which is also used for the Special Attack stat), and the EVs (which are also used for the Special Attack stat).

Sources I can't give you, but that's how it works. You might want to look around Azure Heights -- http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/ ; http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php EllipsesBent 00:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, as a tl;dr: The Special split didn't exist in RBY. However, the Spcl.Atk and Spcl.Def values are determined by values that do exist in RBY. EllipsesBent 04:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Versions

Version-specific Pokémon

I don't now about other users, but in mine, the Version-specific Pokémon are slightly different in Japanese editions. In Japanese editions the following Pokemon have been interchanged so that they appear correspondingly as follows:

金 (Kin,Gold) Version: Phanpy Donphan

銀 (Gin,Silver) Version: Teddiursa Ursaring

If other players of the Japanese editions also see the same thing as I do, then perhaps this minor variation should be included in the Version-specific Pokémon section?

 *Unfortunately, however, I have no citation: it's all just from experience that requires confirmation that it wasn't just a fault found only in my copy. --BryghtShadow 11:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely not just your game; I remember noticing that those two evolution lines were version-swapped between the Japanese and English versions, too. (I played a Gold ROM in Japanese before the English release.)63.215.28.146 15:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Cartridge Color

Something that could be added as a fact is that the cartridge colors for Japanese Gold and Silver versions were alternating, unlike the English versions which had corresponding glitter-containing colors.

The colors of the front/back halves were swapped with each other so that:

• Gold has a 'navy blue front half and a greyish blue back half'
• Silver has a 'greyish blue front half and a navy blue back half'.

 *Unfortunately, I do not have the images nor citations to support it. --BryghtShadow 11:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Are u serious?

y would u have something like this on the page? In Game Glitches / Cheats Go home to new Bark town, talk to your mother repeatedly, and get her to switch between daylight saving time and non daylight saving time. Often after she has finished speaking, you will recieve a phone call by someone in your phone register. This is a good way of getting items and battles quickly.

Removed "Remake?"

It contained the following: "There have been rumors that GameFreak might be trying to remake Pokemon Gold & Silver like how they remade Red & Blue. It will either be for the Game Boy Advance or the Nintendo DS. Nothing has been confirmed yet." This is purely speculation, as denoted by "rumors" and "Nothing has been confirmed yet." Please see this page in relation to guesses, rumors, and otherwise. -Motley ^{a b c qu} 00:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

• go to photobucket.com and type in jhoto, then youll see a picture with 9 gyms, its the jhoto gyms that are like kanto's, they are real.

USER:Wikialexdx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialexdx (talk • contribs) 05:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

That proves absolutely nothing. Why would a remake be on GBA? Besides, I guess you don't realize how incredibly easy it is to create an image like that.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

how? tell me. please. (USER:Wikialexdx) —Preceding comment was added at 20:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Effort values

I was under the impression effort values weren't introduced until RS came out on the market. Shouldn't 'effort values' in the Pokérus section of the article be replaced w/ 'stat exp'? -- Ishikawa Minoru 20:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Removed "Remake"... again.

This text: Currently, Nintendo has no plans to remake Gold & Silver. However, there have been a certain number of clues in Diamond & Pearl as well as even the anime hinting out to a possible remake. FYI: Wikipedia runs on verifiability and reliable sources. If you can find neither, don't put it here. See also: NPOV -Motley ^{a b c qu} 06:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

dont forget that there is data in diamond and pearl about "arrived from johto"--202.63.41.165 11:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

We won't add info on a remake unless Nintendo announces one, and that's final.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 12:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

is a nintendo wesite enough, and that they tm'ed the names, its in the game data of 3 different games--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 07:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really. J. K. Rowling actually deliberately trademarked fake Harry Potter titles, and there have been lots of wacky Pokémon trademarks that never came to fruition (WaterBlue anyone?). And what's the third game with Johto compatibility, exactly?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

lol, did they really trademark WaterBlue cool, i know that trademarked pokemon opal and gold and silver something--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 09:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

oh sorry didnt see the last bit, the third game is Pokemon Battle Revolution. all 3 games (diamond, pearl and battle revolution all have johto data in them--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 08:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, somebody added it again. You might as well just add a rumors section, because people will just keep adding it on the page as a fact while linking to rumor pages. 206.207.175.161 (talk) 16:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo bought the domain "pokemonwhitegold.com" - copy that into the url bar and it will redirect you to the main site. They are obviously planning something. Bulbapedia has a list of references such as this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver_remakes . —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERAGON (talk • contribs) 17:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo has bought the domains of several different variations, including WaterBlue. It's of no real concern. MelicansMatkin (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the removal, see [Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball] this is all unreferenced speculation, unless you can find a reliable source affirming the rumor it does not deserve to be on Wikipedia.Kuro Woof 05:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurowoofwoof111 (talk • contribs)

Question...

What is the Item not seen until D&P in beta? Djf2014 (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Honey--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 21:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

More Emphasis on Crystal/Crystal article.

Shouldn't Crystal have its own article or at LEAST be mentioned in the title of this article, as Crystal version makes up as much of the article if not more than Silver and Gold version. And Crystal like Pokemon Emerald are considered remakes of previous installments, so Crystal really should have its own set article like Pokemon Emerald does now. Opinions would be greatly appreciated before a re-naming or move of any kind is done.Kuro Woof 05:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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