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Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Thanks! --Durin 01:51, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of USN Ships

Hi! A few days ago I started to complete the List of ships of the United States Navy--and soon found it was way too big for one page. I split it by pushing all the decommissioned ships out onto the [[List of all ships of the United States Navy, <InitialLetter>]] pages, leaving only the active ships (and those which will be). So, I'm taking USS Fearless (MSO-442) back off the main page. Incidently, the ship's page doesn't say anything about the hull, but as a minesweeper I presume it's some sort of wood construction, which seems noteworthy. —wwoods 06:41, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old Ironsides image

If you examine the history [1]., and look at the "last" links for the edits in January and December, you'll see that some anonymous editors were having a bit of fun. I don't usually remember to put image pages on my watchlist, which is how they got away with it for so long. Stan 02:51, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

24.164.211.25

Thank you for giving me credit for the articles I actually have completed. However, I still believe Dream Guy is a real creep (just read the things that other people have to say about him). I agree to cease and desist with the vandalism, you, unlike DreamGuy, actually come to me like I am a human being, instead of some idiot. I appreciate that a lot. I am going to try to contribute to Spanish Wikipedia, but I still get lazy writing those articles. On a related note, you can help me on the article on William Lynch.

P.S. I saw your notice on the W. Lynch ad and I agree that it needs clean up. I confess, I am not going to take "all" my time to complete Wikipedia articles (after all it is free). I am too lazy. (Why do you all do that) ... Just playing. But listen, please assist me on this article. The information is too hard to find on such a topic. Anything you can post regarding dates, or whatever, will really help me out a lot. I think that it important what people realize the impact he had on the Southern slave community. I also feel it is a shame that it took Wikipedia so long to have an article on such an important man. Please help me on this article.

Yours truly,

Signed (I don't know my IP address from memory) lol. (:

Sig

Dont forget to sig your posts/vots, like on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Nick vs. Andy just add a ~~~~ and the system will sig it for you. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 06:08, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm well aware, thanks. --Durin 20:29, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

These family history vfds

Indeed, the same user seems to be putting up a whole bunch of family history articles. I've put notes (based on Template:Vanity) at User talk:70.242.12.105 and then User talk:Dbail999 - let's hope we can win this newcomer over to the good side gently. Samaritan 02:00, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Herman B Wells

Heyas. Wikipedia let me move Herman B. Wells to Herman B Wells which I saw you tried to do before. Just thought I'd let you know. I was going to update your user page since it was one of the links that pointed to Herman B. Wells but I decided that it was too bold. You can certainly change it if you want though! Anyway, just thought you'd like to know. -SocratesJedi | Talk 17:43, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

William Lynch Update

I moved the article that I had posted to William Lynch Speech, I added several changes and an external source, so I think it should be up to the quality-or at least close to- that of Wikipedia by now. Dbraceyrules 20:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

LSTs

Given the content of the tables seems identical I think it hardly matters which one goes. Just make sure that one of them is linked to on the ships wikiproject class footer table list. David Newton 06:49, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Riker

I've moved the VfD pointer for this article. The user has created articles for all of his teachers. We might as well vote on all of them at once. --Xcali 21:47, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No worries about the user page comment. Last time I checked, we were all human. I've done it myself. --Xcali 22:10, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That Latin name article

Sounds good - I wasn't opposed to having an article there at all - just opposed to having that particular article there, which seemed wholly unhelpful. Snowspinner 23:40, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Maurice Goode,Jr.

content was "Maurice Goode,Jr. born( August 21, 1991 in Memphis,Tennessee).Phenominal basketball player who plays for Craigmont High School" i.e. substub speedied for little or no content, the kid can't spell and is obviously very vain. Dunc|☺ 20:54, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Additional resources for ship information"

(Belated) thanks for these links. I haven't had much time for Wikipedia lately, but when I do they'll be useful. —wwoods 03:17, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: USS Missouri

Thanks for the help. Some of the info pertaining to Missouri's historical status I incoporated into the "1993-present" section. Also, I reworked the pictures in the "WWII" sections to make the article more atractive to the eye. And a HUGE thank-you for the radar and other electronic specs; I had been hoping that someone would insert those into the article. TomStar81 1 July 2005 22:28 (UTC)

  • I'll take you on your word about the Missouri being a super dreadnought; my original objection to that phrase was do in part to the battleship article, I was also under the impression that "super dreadnought" was akin to "supercarrier" in regards to having to meet with certin criteria. TomStar81 4 July 2005 05:19 (UTC)

Indiana Wikipedians

Please consider adding yourself to Category: Indiana Wikipedians.

Thanks! Kurt Weber 8 July 2005 21:21 (UTC)

Anon editor

You're absolutely right. I made the mistake of doing some RC patrolling during a stressful part of the day and the amount of vanity articles, vandal bot stubs and just plain weird stuff that came in during that time was overwhelming. Got a bit hot under the collar. Sorry 'bout the flare-up. - Lucky 6.9 21:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Username change

Thanks for the congratulations. There would be some links between your old and new name if you changed, though these could probbably be minimised. There's no real policy on this yet but what could be help is to record the change as "<name removed> changed to newname" rather than displaying your old name in the archived requests page. However, the automatic log isn't editable, and the old name would show up in that. You would need to change the links to your user page manually. Your original signature would still be in the page history. Angela. 02:14, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Strategic Policy Consulting

This article is not speediable. It is a candidate for VfD, but it does not meet criteria for speedy deletion. Please see this page for which articles can and cannot be speedied. Thanks. Denni☯ 02:04, 2005 July 17 (UTC)

SmartCOP copyvio

Hey, dont mean to be writing on you page but I didn't know any other way to contact you. You have marked my SmartCOP page as a possible copyright infringement. However, I am posting the paper on behalf of the author of the paper and the creator of SmartCOP. So, please undo what you did or direct me on how to post this information. Thanks unsigned edit by 157.127.124.134 (talk · contribs)

Lake Monroe

Thanks for the message, and I have added the category to my user page. I have also expanded the information on Lake Monroe, and if you have anything else to add it would be a great help. Thanks. Eightball 21:00, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for correcting that typo on my user page. I appreciate it! --Canderson7 16:19, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Horseracing-stub

OK - you convinced us :) {{Horseracing-stub}} is off and racing! Grutness...wha? 01:52, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the welcome back. Yes, I must see about that IV treatment :). As to the stubs, feel free to replace the icon. I hunted through quite a few horse racing articles without finding anything that I was particularly happy with, so it will be no loss to see it go. With the other stubs, horseracingbio might well be worth doing - see how the horseracing one goes first. As to yachtracing-stub, perhaps extending it to yachting in general might be better, or sailboat racing in general (do windsurfers count?) Although the sport itself doesn't interest me much, I'm sure there are others from my part of the world (New Zealand) who could provide a few articles for the topic, too! Overall, it sounds like you're about to embark on a similar project with sports stubs to what I've done with geography stubs. Be warned, it's a lot of work and very addictive! What you're doing, with user subpage lists, is a good way of doing it though (it's what I've done with the geo-stubs). My advice would be to find a good number of stubs on a topic, then take it to WP:WSS/C - I doubt anyone will object if it's a natural child of ssport-stub and has a large number of stubs all ready to have the template attached. The most argument you'd probably get is quibbling over its name and scope (a bit like I've just done with the yachtracing :). Sport-stub and sportbio-stub do need splitting, so it's definitely a worthwhile task. Enjoy your holiday! Grutness...wha? 05:41, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Graphs of edits, data and such

Hello! I noticed in one your image contributions that you have made a graph of edits made to a page. Do you have a good solution to this question I asked on the reference desk a while ago? Please let me know if you do! Thanks! --HappyCamper 21:28, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with the MediaWiki software yet, so I don't know how the data is stored. I'm interested in performing some stochastic signal processing on the edits to see if anything interesting comes out from it. For starters, it doesn't have to be the entire data set, even approximately say, 5000-10000 data points would be enough. I was thinking writing articles related to these topics, and using data from Wikipedia itself as examples. After all what else would be more fitting? :) --HappyCamper 21:23, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic ownership

Although you created Image:Olympicsicon.gif yourself, the IOC owns rights to the symbol. You might want to mention something in the image description that there are restrictions on the use of the symbol. You already are aware of the message in Image:Olympic-rings.png. (SEWilco 17:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks!

Hiya. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my recent RfA. Cheers! --Ngb 19:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

USS Princeton (1897)

I considered using PG-13 for the title of this ship, however, this appears to be a neoligism at best. The hull classification system wasn't instituted until 1920, and this ship was decommissioned and struck by that time. The DANFS history makes no reference to this designation. However, I don't feel strongly about it and would be fine with a move and redirect, if you'd like. She apparently was called "Gunboat Number 13," and her sister ships received the hull classification of "PG" and you have the NHC reference, so it isn't completely outside the scope. Jinian 19:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stadtteile

I renamed them because Frankfurt has a rather complicated, overlapping division structure that includes larger Stadtbezirke which, I think, more closely correspond to the word district (it also has smaller units as well). At least one of these categories will probably have to use a foreign word. These still need to be added. What really needs to be done is translate all of the German articles about different German forms of city organization and federal organization. Gemeinde, Kreise, Stadtteile, Stadtbezirke, Ortsteile, etc. These are often not easy to translate to English. There are similar issues across all of German geography. Tfine80 15:20, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the reason that they are stubs first is that I wanted to transfer the templates in a methodical way and then let people translate the articles from the German during the creation of the Wikireader for Wikimania and then at Wikimania itself. I plan to continually update these. And a lot of other German cities have separate categories... See districts of Berlin, for example. But, you're right, a lot of work still needs to be done. You can join us at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Frankfurt if you are interested in the city's organization. Tfine80 15:26, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the categories should be in English... I will have a vote in the Wikiproject about what to name them. There should be a standard between all of the other German, Austrian, Swiss cities. Perhaps boroughs and districts are the best way, but I would need to ask someone from Frankfurt. Tfine80 15:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, I just realized I didn't even rename it in the first place. I made the template and was working on it from the beginning. Tfine80 15:45, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Image:USSJohnHancock.jpg

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It get confusing when taking pictures from NavSource sometimes as the majority of them are usually US Navy images. Every once in a while there's one of these copyrighted ones that users have submitted and it must have slipped by me. Thanks for catching it and replacing it. --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 21:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • A source I frequently use for ships of the modern era is combatindex.com. The images have in my experience all been attributed to U.S. Navy or U.S. Military sources. That is where I grabbed the image that's now on the USS John Hancock (DD-981) page. --Durin 21:59, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Looks good. I upload a lot of ship pics so I'll definitely consult that site. One thing I noticed though was some things on combatindex.com are credited as US Navy photos, but on NavSource they are listed as copyrighted by individuals. Thanks. --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 00:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's interesting. I have seen images on both that were 'turned in' to Navsource by a particular individual. But, that's not the same as copyright. In general, images taken by naval personnel while on duty are in the public domain. They might be turned in by those same individuals to Navsource, but they are copyright free. I'd be interested if you have seen some that were definitely copyrighted at navsource and appear as not copyrighted on combatindex.com. I'm particularly sensitive to copyright issues because I feel it constitutes a serious threat to Wikipedia, so I'd like to see if there are cases like what you mention above. --Durin 02:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If I come across one again I'l ldrop you a message. I know I've found that to be the case before so I had stopped using the combatindex. And I definitely agree that copyrights are serious and important...luckily there are enough of us who monitor that kind of thing and make sure everything is acceptable.--ScottyBoy900Q 02:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use

I only just now saw your reply to the Wikipedia:Copyright problems#August 11 section where you claimed that several book covers did not fall under fair use. I'm afraid your arguments don;t really make sense. Yes, those images were taken from the website and not scanned, but that makes no difference. Yes, they claim ownership of the image, but then that's not any different from any other image, scanned or not. Doing your own scan of a book does not effect the ownership of that image in any way, even though you scanned it it is still owned by the copyright owner just as if you lifted it off their website. Fair use is a legal exception to copyright law, so the fact that you can quote a sentence from their website saying that they owned it doesn't matter. I strongly recommend you not lable any more book covers as copyright violations, and I hope you withdraw your complaints about these, as the page is already overflowing with real violations. Thanks. DreamGuy 04:17, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

  • Do you know for a fact that the image is an exact facsimile of the book cover? Maybe it's a version of the book cover that never went to print. We don't know. What we have is an image that may or may not be the book cover. What we do know is that the image is an exact copy (same dimenions, same format, same number of bytes) as the one on the Prentice Hall site. It is thus highly likely it was taken from Prentice Hall's site. What we do know is Prentice Hall's user license:
"Modifications of any materials on this Site or use of the materials for any purpose other than as contemplated in this Site is a violation of Pearson' copyright and proprietary rights. You agree not to reverse engineer, duplicate, publish, modify, or otherwise distribute the materials on this Site unless specifically authorized in writing by Pearson to do so."
Barring confirmation that this is in fact the book cover, the {{bookcover}} tag does not apply. Given that the person who orginally posted the image posted at least two other images that clearly violate copyright (and possible many, many more), I am not comfortable with a copyright judgement being left with the original poster. Please see User_talk:D-Day#More_copyright_problems for some discussion regarding this user's uploading behavior.
This user is a student in the New York State system. He most likely has the book in his book bag. Scanners are nearly ubiquitous today. I do not think it is asking too much to have this image removed and instead have it replaced with an image that has definitely been scanned from the book itself, removing any uncertainty about fair use. Wouldn't you agree?
Copyright is a very serious issue. It is one of the main things that threatens the very existence of Wikipedia. I am neither a deletionist nor an inclusionist when it comes to articles. When it comes to copyright questions, I have and will continue to favor removing content if we can not verify its copyright status. In this particular case, we can not definitively verify its status as a book cover (I did look for other images of this book, and found none). As such, it's copyright status is questionable. --Durin 23:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, copyright is a serious issue, but your arguments here make no sense legally. Scanning a cover does abslutely nothing to make it more fair use than taking it from the publisher site. And, yes, the owners say you can't use it, but then those claims do not affect fair use criteria in the slightest either. The status is verified, it is a bookcover, and by listing them as violations you are wasting a lot of people's time on a page that is overflowing with legitimate complaints. DreamGuy 00:14, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • You've making a claim that its status as a book cover has been verified. I do not see where on any of Image:Matha s.gif, Wikipedia:Copyright_violations#August_11, Image_talk:Matha_s.gif, or any related users pages that its status as a book cover has been verified. If you can provide some proof of this verification, or a public domain release statement from Prentice Hall for the image, then I'd be quite happy to drop my complaint. Until such time as this is done, it's copyright status remains questionable. If you wish to continue to insist that it is a book cover without this verification, please understand that we disagree. As such, it is not up to us to decide the issue; it is up to an admin. As a result, the complaint should remain on the copyright violations page. I do not think that being concerned about copyright issues and raising them on the Wikipedia:Copyright_violations page is a waste of anyone's time. Your case regarding this image relies on the image being a replica of the book cover. When you prove that, you will have made your case. Until then, the copyright status is questionable. Thanks for your time. --Durin 03:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I'm making the claim it is a book cover, and of course it has been verified. Being in denial that it's a book cover without any evidence (or logic) to support that position is just sheer stubbornness. Stop wasting everyone's time with nonsensical arguments. DreamGuy 16:37, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
As I noted above, we disagree. From my view, it has not been verified as being a bookcover as you have provided no evidence that it is. I believe our discussion is complete. It is up to others to decide. --Durin 16:44, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I suppose I'm deciding. These are textbooks. I recognize the format, although I've never seen the New York version in person (not being from New York). You can buy one here. The images are practically thumbnails. I can hardly think of anything that would better qualify as "low-resolution images of book covers" (per {{book cover}}). -Aranel (Sarah) 18:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

your request

Not much we can do about the log since it's read only and recreating and redeleting the page will only append to it. The log entries won't show up in mirrors or in most web searches, however, so you may find that it doesn't matter much in practice. Since other users follow the deletion log to check for out-of-process deletions, I had to supply a reason when deleting the page. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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