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July 2008 Roll Call

Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, {{PageStatus}} makes WikiProject lists of articles easier to manage! You may wish to implement it. --Aquillyne-- (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Old members?

Hi. This really isn't relevant, and please don't hate me for it, but I was one of the guys who set up this WikiProject. I dunno what compelled me to come back and see but I just wanted to say I'm glad its still going after Seancdaug got the ball rolling back in mid-2005. :) I guess I'm just wondering if anyone remembers me, and if any of the original crew are still around. Sorry if this is a little selfish! — CuaHL 04:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

As I wrote on your wall, there are people that still remember you. Good to hear from you again. --
Hey, Cuahl. I'm not actually still around, but I do pop my head in and lurk from time to time. I'm deeply impressed at how far the project came since I threw my hat into the ring a few years ago. – Sean Daugherty (talk) 19:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Music of Final Fantasy XI

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Music of Final Fantasy XI has been nom'd for GA. Please feel free to review/comment/edit. --PresN (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

One month later, GA. --PresN (talk) 18:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Featured topic removal candidates

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Wikipedia:Featured topics/Final Fantasy titles has been put up for removal here. Z gin der 2008-06-10T18:18Z (UTC)

List of Final Fantasy XI expansions

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Currently, Rise of the Zilart, Chains of Promathia et al redirect to Final Fantasy XI. I do not think that these expansions are covered adequately as part of the parent article. They may not be enough content for each expansion to warrant a separate article, but how about a List of Final Fantasy XI expansions? You could include a link on each expansion to its soundtrack at Music of Final Fantasy XI, and also drill further down into the expansions' contents and reception. Enjoystory (talk) 22:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. I never liked how they're set up now, but having never played FFXI, there wasn't much I could do about it. I'm not sure if it should be "List of FFXI Expansions" or just "FFXI Expansions", but your choice. --PresN (talk) 23:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, lets hold our horses for a moment. the Reason the expansion were merged is that they had very little information on their own. I think you should make a draft of this article first, to make sure it is viable on its own, and also to prevent the recreation of a large permanent stub article. If it can sustain itself, great, but we should make sure. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

If anyone's interested, this is what the expansion article looked like before merge: [1] --Mika1h (talk) 11:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Goal: 50 Featured and good articles before the New Year

We are really close, with Nobuo just passing, and two Music of articles in the que, so that means we should pick seven articles to get to FA or GA by the new year. Suggestions? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning on getting FF7 to at least GA status. I'll be working on it during the summer. The Prince (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Bringing Final Fantasy III and Final Fantasy VII to GA status would help bring back the FF featured topic. Kariteh (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

If anyone knows of any references we can use to bulk up FFIII, post it here, that has been the biggest problem restoring it. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps FFIII DS and FFIII should be merged. It wouldn't completely resolve the lack of sources issue, but it would be a good first step. Final Fantasy III (Nintendo DS) is GA despite having no Gameplay section at all. Kariteh (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what I've been thinking about. I think it's a great idea. The Prince (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree, lets do it, it has been long since discussed and there has been no opposition. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Any other ones to propose? I think I still want to work on My Life as a King, so that will probably be my contribution. So that makes for more to go...don't be shy! PresN, I'm sure you have four that you'll be working before the new year :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I will. I've been busy with work, but I've got the two that are stalled at GAN, the compilation albums that needs a bit of cleaning and to be sent to FLC, and then I'm on to Music o' FF1/2 and 7, and maybe discography of the Black mages. I'll do my bit! --PresN (talk) 17:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

With some guidance (and borrowing direction from FFIX's article), Final Fantasy VII (Famicom) is now a good article. I'm going to try and fix up the Final Fantasy Legend articles now.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series is now GA'd. --PresN (talk) 16:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is a list of the articles that are currently being worked on in some form. Let's do it, we can get 50 GA's and FA's, which would be quite an achievement! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I've merged FFIII DS. (It actually had a gameplay section, but a vandal deleted it and it went unnoticed.) Anyway, the FFIII article looks quite bigger all of a sudden, though it still needs some work. Kariteh (talk) 18:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Since that was a GA, I added Tactics A2 to our list to work on :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Adding this list, since people should know about PresN's work. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Gary King has nom'd FF3 for GA. --PresN (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge to Common elements of Final Fantasy

Deckiller had this idea a long time ago, and I think it is a good one; take Common elements of Final Fantasy, and put Final Fantasy magic, Minigames of Final Fantasy, Monsters of Final Fantasy, Recurring character names of Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy character classes into it and rename it Gameplay of Final Fantasy. None of these article are strong on their own, and perhaps one overarching article would be able to get GA or FA status. True, the character classes article is GA, but I'm not sure it should be anyway. Thoughts? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't this article become extremely long. I'm not against the idea (in fact, I'm all for it if it's possible), but I'm concerned about the article's layout. In what order would all the topics be placed, and what content should be added from the various articles? The Prince (talk) 21:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it would be merged in that a few sentences, or maybe an additional paragraph from each article would be merged into the Common elements articles, but other than that, as most of the stuff in the articles we would like to merge is non notable, it would not be included, so the article wouldn't balloon in that way. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, perhaps we don't even need to rename the Common elements article, since as it is currently constituted, it would cover all of the topic in the articles listed, whereas a Gameplay of article would be more restrictive. Judgesurreal777 16:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts/objections, or can we do this long overdue merger? :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead. No need to delay the process. There are no objections and I doubt that anyone can find any good arguments to prevent the mergers taking place. The Prince (talk) 21:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I have an even better (I think) idea. Why don't we just put individual mini-games in their respective main game articles? I've already started with Final Fantasy IX, and it would not be that hard to complete.--BigBossIX (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that is a good idea. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, feel free to use that Gameplay of Final Fantasy as a base for a mega gameplay article. — Deckill er 17:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think we have a rough consensus to do the merge of these articles into the Common Elements articles... and I don't even know where to begin it will be such a big project :) HELP! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd prefer "common elements of Final Fantasy" over "gameplay of Final Fantasy", as things such as recurring names, recurring songs, recurring class / job aesthetics and recurring plot elements aren't really part of "gameplay". -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

True, so even though the Gameplay draft Deck made way back when is a great model for us to use, the Common Elements article is probably the one to merge all this stuff to. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

(Deleted my comments above) Actually, a google search and a re-jogged memory gives me a much more pessimistic view; clearly I had been out of the loop for a while. If good sources could have been found, then they would have already been found (two years, after all). Unfortunately, this changes my view drastically; if few good sources for real-world content can be found, I may even propose merging the common elements article into the main Final Fantasy article, perhaps along with all the gameplay articles. That might be a little unwieldy and difficult to work into a featured article. We can start by listing a bunch of reliable sources for this content. — Deckill er 13:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Compilation of available sources

Please add to this list. It's scraping the bottom of the barrel, but it might be material to work with. — Deckill er 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

http://au.ps2.ign.com/articles/756/756635p1.html - "The Evolution of Final Fantasy" from IGN — Deckill er 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/features/vgs/universal/finalfantasy_hs/sec2.html - "The History of Final Fantasy" from Gamespot (Common elements) — Deckill er 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,18/section,114/ - "World of Final Fantasy" from Mobygames — Deckill er 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=... - Videogames and Art has two short paragraphs about FF common elements - Kariteh (talk) 16:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
[2] - History of Final Fantasy from Virgin Media. Gets into some common elements info in the middle. — Deckill er 05:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
[3] - Britannica mentions some common plot elements. Kariteh (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:FFIII

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Template:FFIII has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Kariteh (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

All Sounds of SaGa seems misplaced

Currently the redirects point it to SaGa#Music, but there's a few gaping problems with that, notably the fact it covers only the three Legend games and none of the others, making it a representative for less than half the games mentioned there. Could it be possibly split off into something like SaGa series soundtracks or such? (There were ones done for SaGa 2, Romancing SaGa 2, Romancing SaGa 3, Saga Frontier, Saga Frontier, and Unlimited SaGa that I know of). Reviews should be locatable for the other games.

Route B would be to suggest giving it its own article again by itself using the reviews I did manage to find as support, but sadly there's not much to go on besides reviews (no development info turned up regarding the tracks).

Any ideas?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that too. Unfortunately, unlike the Final Fantasy series, there weren't numerous albums produced for each game or numerous compilation albums for the SaGa series. From what I've seen, each game pretty much has one album (except the original trio, which is on that particular disc), and some of them are mentioned in the individual articles (SaGa Frontier, Unlimited Saga, etc.). Perhaps All Sounds of SaGa could go in only one game's article (The Final Fantasy Legend perhaps) and the other two game articles could have a link to it, [[The Final Fantasy Legend#Music|See also: All Sounds of Saga]], or something similar. ~ Hibana 04:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, each of the 'Romancing' games had an arrange disc, SFII had a piano disc, and Minstrel Song had an OST. Plus there were a few tracks from SFII on a piano compilation CD by Hamauzu (with different performance and arrangements than the other disc). So there's quite a good bit of musical releases from the series -- 11 plus the Hamauzu disc, if I count right. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's well enough to warrant a List of SaGa albums article. Kariteh (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

What should be done about the tracklists for games like SaGa Frontier? If we create this article, should the tracklists remain in the individual game articles, or should we move them? ~ Hibana 21:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Although it's not formalized in any guideline (yet?), I believe tracklists and album infoboxes should be moved to the music article when it exists, since they pertain to the actual album rather than the game in itself. Kariteh (talk) 21:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well I got the liner notes for All About SaGa, and they seem to go into great detail...could use some help fully translating them (which I need to for the guy that tossed them to me x.X). Also got at least two reviews of the soundtrack, and it was partially re-released with SaGa 2 as just the songs from that game. So I should have enough for a stand alone article (I have nada on the other soundtracks at the moment). Kickers are...what are the requirements for at least a GA soundtrack article? And also, anyone fluent in Japanese willing to help with the liner notes so I can give the fellow a full translation? I should be able to get the rest of the content from it if I return the initial favor (and it would help to make the article count towards one of our GAs to boot if it can get there).

Said notes for anyone interested.

Reqs for a GA soundtrack article- copy straight up from the FF music articles or the chrono music article. You'll need a section on the album(s), with the date(s) released, the composer/producer/artist, the tracklist, etc; a reception section with multiple people talking about it (RPGFan is always a good spot to start), and, if at all possible, a development section. This can be tricky, though having the liner notes can help if they said anything useful in it. If the other sections are meaty enough, sometimes you can let the devel section slide. Hit me up if you need any help. --PresN (talk) 16:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've created a stub of Music of the SaGa series per other articles such Music of Kingdom Hearts. I've placed it under WikiProject Square Enix only. Please help expand this article using any resources you have (album liner notes, websites, etc.) ~ Hibana 04:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Final Fantasy compilation albums

List of Final Fantasy compilation albums has now been nominated for FLC. Please comment/criticize it! --PresN (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

A comment has been raised at FLC regarding tha lack of Japanese reviews of the albums. If anyone here could find any, I'd be most appreciative. --PresN (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Very nice. Just needs some brushing up. — Deckill er 17:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The list has now been promoted! Current status of the future FT is as follows (before PresN->now)

Template:Start-icon ->Template:Start-icon Music of the Final Fantasy series

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Template:Start-icon ->Template:C-icon Music of Final Fantasy I and II

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Music of Final Fantasy III

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Music of Final Fantasy IV

Template:Start-icon ->

Music of Final Fantasy V

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Music of Final Fantasy VI

Template:Start-icon ->Template:Start-icon Music of Final Fantasy VII

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Music of Final Fantasy VIII

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Music of Final Fantasy IX

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Music of Final Fantasy X

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Music of Final Fantasy X-2

Template:Stub-icon ->

Music of Final Fantasy XI

Template:Start-icon ->

Music of Final Fantasy XII

Template:Stub-icon ->

Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series

->Template:FA-icon List of Final Fantasy compilation albums

--PresN (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's impressive! I didn't actually realize the topic was that close to completion. Only 3 GAs and 2 FAs/FLs remaining to be done. Kariteh (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Incredible, amazing job PresN! I have been keeping up with your great work, and think that this topic Kariteh posted would be perfect minus the compilation albums (for now). I say that because there are still a few articles not in this topic, which I will post here for perusal;

My thought is that the Chocobo music should replace the compilation albums for the initial FFMusic featured topic, and then include the compilation album along with all the these articles (many of which will probably be merged), so it will only be a handful. So once we do that supplimentary addition, we will have every FF music article in the Featured Topic. What an astounding achievement. That's my thought. PresN? Others? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

So, here's my thoughts on the matter.

Dear Friends -Music from Final Fantasy-,Tour de Japon,Distant Worlds: Music from Final Fantasy -> Final Fantasy Concerts or somesuch. Possibly merge Black mages and discography together (not sure). Which leaves us with

Now, that's 15+5=20 articles, so 4 of them need to be FA/L, of which one is. So, 7 to GA, plus 3 to FA. A bit to go, but not too bad. Or, my other thought, was a halfway point- Soundtracks of Final Fantasy. This would be

Which would include albums of the numbered games, 1-12, plus the albums which combined music from those games, and would not include albums from spin-offs, including X-2, Tactics, and Chocobos. I think that that's a gap-less definition of a topic, and would be a good marker point on the way to getting the rest of the topic up. It would be 13 articles, so 2 F*'s to go, and 3 GA's. This also ties into a question that Kariteh raised on the WP:VG talk page, about how most of the "music of" articles are more discographies, and thus incorrectly named. What are people's thoughts on all this? --PresN (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, if anyone could GAReview MoFF11, that'd be great, damn things been sitting there for over a month now. --PresN (talk) 20:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, someone got to it. Guess there's a benefit to getting into the "5 oldest GANs" box. --PresN (talk) 18:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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FFVII Fam & the FFVII Template

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I would like to bring up the matter of adding the game to the template. I'd go ahead and be bold and just add it, but there was a heavy debate before with User:FightingStreet, and I want to make sure everyone here is fine with such a move before I make it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't see why not, I'm for it. --PresN (talk) 18:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I was originally against it, but seeing as the article has been improved tremendously and even attained GA status, I'll say it's ok to add it. The Prince (talk) 21:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright with that cleared, which row should it go on? The first as a game, or the second amongst the more side articles?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It's placement will be a little strange either way; the second row is just the Compilation games and the first one has the original game and the article explaining the Compilation. Personally I think it could go either way; the Famicon version is pretty much the same as the original and therefore the characters and later installments are all connected to it, but it's more of a "other game". Someone could always make a new section for it, but it may mor may not look good. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Androgynous characters in Final Fantasy

FYI- Androgynous characters in Final Fantasy has been created by a new editor. The editor's edits look to be mostly in good faith, but still inexperienced. The interesting thing is the article is actually somewhat well sourced, but would probably serve better in a reception section of Common elements of Final Fantasy or in Common elements of Final Fantasy#Character design. Just a heads up as I think this editor might be a good contributor once they learn the ropes, so please keep WP:BITE in mind. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC))

I personally don't know if the person meant to do it in good faith; rather, they may have just been making fun of the fact that many characters, especially after their CGI transformation, look effeminate. The use of the word 'emo' makes it more clear; it's a slang word stereotype that ss actually just a type of music. It's well-sourced, but I just don't see the point. The editor, however, seems like he/she has potential. Once they learn the ropes, they'll probably be pretty good. Right now, we should focus on what to do with the new article; if it isn't tossed, I think reception is the best place for it because, like it or not, how feminine they are is more in the eye of the beholder in this case. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 15:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

In good faith? He rated the article as FA and top-importance... --Mika1h (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the information in the article is better placed in the Development or Reception sections of each relevant articles. — Bl ue 。 16:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the article rating and importance, I'm sure they are not aware of our assessment processes and simply rated it how they thought it should be. They also re-rated Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep FA, for I'm sure the same reason. It's not the first time something like this has happened because editors don't fully understand Wikipedia processes. This version of Kingdom Hearts was put up at FAC because someone thought a great game deserved to be FA. Wikipedia gets new, inexperienced editors all the time, and I'd rather work with them than fight against them at AfD. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC))

It should definitely be merged, it looks like synthesis to me, and if we really want to get into the whole discussion of the Japanese male aesthetic, that would fit as a section in the Final Fantasy series article perhaps or the common themes article, but I am not convinced it should be on its own. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I support the merging. Although I wonder if it fits the notable and verifiable bill since it does include statements and receptions from reliable sources. Or is there a redundancy policy somewhere? — Bl ue 。 09:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The topic is definitely notable, but I doubt the article will ever grow large enough to reach GA status. I think it should be merged into Common elements of Final Fantasy. Kariteh (talk) 10:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

We really should have a redundancy policy, someone start drafting that... Guy!! :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I merged it, it fits very nicely as a paragraph in character design. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judgesurreal777 (talk • contribs) 15:31, July 17, 2008 (UTC)

FYI- Today the editor reverted the redirect. I don't think they understand the reason behind the merge. Someone may want to leave a note on their talk page or the article talk page explaining some of the applicable guidelines: WP:FICT#Elements of fiction, WP:AVOIDSPLIT, and to a lesser extent WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC))

May someone explain why I wasn't notified of this little discussion? I don't think plotting things behind people's back is very civil. Weirdo with a Beardo (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Why would you be notified? You are a 3 day old user who appears to have made a start article that can't sustain itself. However, if you are here to stay, welcome to Wikipedia! Your article was good, but is not notable enough to be on it's own, but is notable in the context of the Common Elements of Final Fantasy article to which it was merged. No content was lost, so there shouldn't be much controversy over merging it there. In fact, I would expand the section a little to discuss the Japanese male aesthetic and its reception by people in the US, Europe, and elsewhere. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy GA review

I've started a GA review of Final Fantasy (video game) due to multiple reference concerns. It was made GA in 2006, so it's probably a good idea to look it over again in any event. Pagrashtak 21:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

When one is done, review Final Fantasy II, which is actually weaker. When that is done, the topic will be very strong. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Here are the references that are questionable, and I thought I would post them here so we can go through and see which ones would stand up to, say, FA standards; forgive my ignorance on some of them, but I just don't know, and I want to be sure:

Final Fantasy X needs references?

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It is currently tagged, just thought I'd let people know, I'm not sure if it really needs them. If not, lets remove the tag. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Kariteh said the "credits list needs references as the FFXIII article claims his first main FF as director is FFXIII". — Bl ue 。 17:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It definitely doen't need more refs, as it currently has nearly 60 of them, which is plenty. When adding one {{fact}} tag, it's unnecessary to also add a {{refimprove}} tag to the entire article. If numerous fact tags had been spread across the the article, it would have been correctly placed, but in this context, it isn't. The Prince (talk) 08:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I placed the refimprove tag because no one notices or cares about the small fact tags otherwise. Kariteh (talk) 09:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The Final Fantasy X game credit roll says Toriyama is the event director. Clarified. — Bl ue 。 18:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Kariteh (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Gaps in the FF music topic

I think the following albums/singles are missing from the discography articles:

Final Fantasy IV Original Soundtrack (DS version)
"Tsuki no Akari"
More Friends: Music From Final Fantasy Original Soundtrack (not the one that has 13 tracks)
Fantastic Wave: Final Fantasy Sound Fair
A bunch of promotional discs listed in the previous link: FFVIII promo CD, Melodies of Life promo CD, Crisis Core special disc, and Dissidia special disc.

Also, should we create a Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series? It would include the 3 discs listed in the FFCC articles, and the soundtrack of FFCC:Ring of Fates. Kariteh (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we should make a Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series article, it practically exists in the FFCC page as a subarticle. --PresN (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Resurrecting the Final Fantasy X/X-2 Topic

There are enough FA's and GA's to pass this back through the Featured Topic candidacy, but these four articles need to either be merged or brought up to GA status;

Spira (Final Fantasy) - Merge into Final Fantasy X? Doesn't seem that notable
Characters of Final Fantasy X and X-2 - Get to GA
Rikku - Merge to Characters article?
Yuna (Final Fantasy) - Get to GA?

How does that sound for a plan? It would get our other featured topic back. Thoughts? Changes?Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

If no concept/creation/reception notes cane be pulled up for Spira merging is the best option. The character list just needs more third party sources, references, and maybe some editing. Rikku should deffinately be merged and Yuna...Yuna is a pretty notable character. Her concept and creation section should, if possible, be expanded on and given more references. The appearance sections needs to be drastically minimized; I can help with this if anyone wants me to. The reception section should also be expanded, perhaps with merchandise, too. Seems like a good plan to me. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)