Talk:Laz people
Suppor Lazuri wikipedia
For supoort new Lazuri Wikipedia in lazuri nena please click this link Requse wiki --Salahana 14:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Correction of Religion
In the page was written Religions Sunni Islam, Georgian Orthodox Christianity, Georgian Catholic Christianity, as the religions of the Laz people. It also gave a link to a book on Georgian people in general. The information is true with regard to all Georgian people, but the Laz people are all Sunni Moslems. Although there were largely Christians in old dyas, there are no Christians among them any more. This is the case with regard to both the large community that lives in Turkey and those few who live in Georgia.
Correction of "Correction of Religion"
This is not true. I am lazian and I am Orthodox christian. Bearing in mind those lazian live in Turkey had once mainly orthodox background. And still there are orthodox lazian left.
- I assume that you are from Georgia. Are you converted to Christianity or is your family been Christian always?
- It is a fact that Georgia since the Russian conquest has tried to wipe out its Moslem Georgian heritage and represent itself as a pure Orthodox Christian country, but Georgian peoples outside Georgia remained Moslem.--Babakexorramdin 07:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Wait a minute. Are Laz people Georgians or not? --212.200.34.21 09:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Laz are a Kartvelian people, their language is not eorgian proper, but is related to them. they are one of the Kartvelian (=Georgian=South Caucasian)peoples. --Babakexorramdin 15:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
To Kolkhianboy
Pal, this is becoming very tiresome. Please explain what you actually want. You are persistently removing the info on the relationship of Georgian and Laz languages and replacing Georgians from the related ethnic group infobox with Hamshenis. This is simply ridiculous. Please stop your prejudicial behavior and explain your grievances on talk, ok? --KoberTalk 20:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Dubious claims
This bold and odd statement: "The idea of a shared cultural Colchian heritage with Mingrelians has been popularized and some Laz even consider themselves as a part of a greater Zan (Laz-Mingerelian) ethnos that excludes the Georgians proper" should be supported by references and sources, otherwise it can be deemed as original research as per Wiki guideline on no-OR. Please insert reliable English-language sources to support that bold statement. Iberieli (talk) 17:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- If this claim is not supported by sources and references, it will be removed as per Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:No reliable sources, no verifiability, no article. Iberieli (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Readding offending and incomprehensible comments
Pocopocopocopoco, could you please explain why you find this post so helpful? According to Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, the comment containing ad hominem attacks and "material not relevant to improving the article" should be removed.--KoberTalk 05:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
- Because he continues the harassment strategy against long time contributors due to his personal intolerance for people who dont share his POV. Like Russians like to say "doprigaetsya" Iberieli (talk) 18:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Copyvio text
Most of the recent additions to the article were directly copied from here. You're welcome to add more info on the Laz culture, but copy-pasting the copyrighted material is unacceptable. --KoberTalk 11:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Copyright problem removed
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from this URL: http://www.kalan.com/scripts/Dergi/Dergi.asp?t=3&yid=9386. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a license compatible with GFDL. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Copy "Scientific" Texts But; Why ?
I dont know English.My English is bad :( I'am study in Marmara University and i am half-ethnolog-filolog :) I know everything about Laz people(and i am a Laz from Batumi Muhajir (Turkey)) but i cant write its.Because my english not enough.Cuz i copy-pasting from http://www.kalan.com/scripts/Dergi/Dergi.asp?t=3&yid=9386.Thats way so sorry but this is "scientific" or RELIABLE" more Kartvelist attacks by Kober and Iberieli TuTasTemre LAZ
- I'm sorry but your biography and education is hardly of any importance here and your self-proclaimed "scientificity" and "reliability" are not convincing at all. The first thing you need to learn is to engage in civil conversation and seek a consensus with other users. Sockpuppetry, edit wars, throwing accusations of fascism and ethnic slurs around are unacceptable. You should rememeber that religious or ethnic prejudices have no room in Wikipedia. Otherwise, you will never be taken seriously.--KoberTalk 17:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
- This sock poppet and troll should be ignored, he is well known vandal of this article and other ones too. instead of referencing and co-operating with other users, he continues vandalizes our user pages and articles on Wiki, not to mention trolling and sock puppetry. Iberieli (talk) 18:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Dubious claims in the article
More recently, the perceived reality of a common Colchian heritage with the Mingrelians has been popularized and predominantly Laz even consider as a part of a greater Zan (Laz-Mingerelian) ethnos that excludes the Georgians proper.
The assertion above needs to be sourced using reliable sources. Neither of the websites linked in the text satisfies the reliable source criteria. On the other hand, I'm citing a passage from the scholarly source which says:
The fact that Laz can converse quite fluently with Mingrelian traders does not lead to any sense of shared identity: the primary distinguishing mark of the Mingrelians is the Christian religion, and in this context the Laz identify firmly with the Muslim Turks.
Thomas M. Wilson & Hastings Donnan (1998), Border Identities: Nation and State at International Frontiers, p. 258. Cambridge University Press, ISBN 052158745X.
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Pal, Nabendu.: Handbook of exponential and related distributions for engineers and scientists /Nabendu Pal, Chun Jin, Wooi K. Lim.. Shapiro Science - Book Stacks - 4th floor | QA 273.6 .P351 2006