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Mayor of Wasilla

I added the fact that Palin is the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska to her initial introduction in this article. It is of note that she is running for governor, but if that were not true then she would still be notable as a politician as the former Wasilla mayor. Michaelh2001 07:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Commissioner Dismissal section heavily slanted in favor of Palin

  • It does not mention that this is an ongoing scandal. Generally, this sort of thing is under a 'Controversies' section in Wiki biographies.
  • It says that Wooten was 'involved in' a divorce and child custody battle, which could mean he's a paper pusher at a law firm. In fact, he was the husband of her sister. He's an ex-brother-in-law.

NOT Governor yet

Pallin hasn't taken office yet. She shouldn't be listed as the 11th Governor. GoodDay 16:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Alaska governors take office on the first Monday in December of the year they are elected. Gov. Palin took office yesterday in Fairbanks (readers please note the datestamps of these comments). This was the first time since statehood an Alaska gubernatorial inauguration was held outside of Juneau, the state's capital. McGehee 17:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Needs editing?

Governor Murkowski did appoint Palin to serve as a commissioner on the state's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which she served on during 2003-2004, but later resigned, in protest over her perceived "lack of ethics" by fellow Alaskan Republican leaders. This included the state party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, a fellow commissioner, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time and providing a sensitive email to a lobbyist. She filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former state Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who was eventuallly found not guilty.

Can someone put a picture of this girl up? SHES SMOKIN!

picture

can someone please put up a picture of her?-Bentley4

Well, we now have a picture of her playing high school basketball, so I suppose a normal picture isn't necessary.</sarcasm> Wikipedia in recent months has become probably the worst place on the internet to find pictures of living individuals. It's really completely ridiculous. john k 06:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Totally agree. Publicity photo's, HQ, made available on their web site - and we can't use them. And people don't even have the guts to point out problems on their own. Just send out the Nazi-bot to do their dirty work. I used to edit every day. Now maybe once every couple of months and nothing major. </vent> --Geneb1955 (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

In the Family and Personal Background section there needs to be a small edit to insert "organization", it should say she was head of the school organization Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

Here's a place to record links that might be useful in this article.

I have thoroughly fixed and updated the links used as references for this article because they had quite a few faults. The essential problem is the use of bare links; i.e., a URL with no other identifying information. These frequently break, and without data like news article titles or website page titles, it is often impossible even to know where to look for a replacement source. (Archive sites like the Wayback Machine or Google sometimes help, but often do not.)

As an example, here are three problems I couldn't easily fix:

  1. "Palin canceled an eleven-mile gravel road…"
  2. "…used her veto power to make the second largest cuts of the construction budget…"
  3. "[Palin] has denied rumors of running against incumbent senator Ted Stevens in next year's Republican primary."

Sources must provide the exact basis on which the article text is written. A document or webpage that is merely a starting point, requiring further research to find the claim made in the article, is not a source. Therefore, I have replaced these links where necessary with {{fact}} tags. If I weren't just cleaning up citations, I'd probably replace the various blog citations with fact tags as well. Blogs are almost never reliable sources.

The main point to remember is that bare links should be never be used as sources for Wikipedia articles. One doesn't necessarily have to create a fully filled-out citation, but should at least include basic title and/or descriptive information (e.g., date, author) with the reference. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Sarah cancelled the road outside of Juneau...

... here is an article that gives a fairly decent explanation. However I have no clue how to do the edit thing on Wikipedia so maybe someone else can go to the article, verify the information and them post it as the citation?

http://www.seakayakermag.com/2007/Oct07/Environment01.htm

Thanks. 64.4.228.13 (talk) 02:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have nominated the article on Sarah Palin's husband, Todd Palin for deletion. --TommyBoy (talk) 06:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

That article was deleted and redirected to the Sarah Palin on March 15.--JayJasper (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Alaska Gas Inducement Act Section

The entire section's wording seems to be strongly biased against the act. The neutrality is questionable - the section reads like a diatribe against the act, not an informational article about the act. The "references" link to blog or personal websites, not to reputable sources.

Consequently, I have deleted the entire section. TRosenbaum (talk) 14:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

"Gay friends?"

She opposes same-sex marriage, but has gay friends and has otherwise been receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[17]

What does it matter if she "has gay friends?" How is this relevant to her polices toward homosexuals? I deleted the phrase while leaving in her alleged receptivenss to concerns regarding homophobic discrimination, only to find this quickly reverted. Can anyone explain to me how having "gay friends" can affect one's decisions as a leader? I strongly believe that this little phrase lends a POV to the article.Shabeki (talk) 10:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello Shabeli, perhaps I can explain and put this into perspective for you. Governor Palin supported amending Alaska's constitution to ban gay marriage, and was/is willing to support allowing the people (not the legislature) to decide if medical benefits should be denied to same sex couples. However, she vetoed legislation that would have denied medical benefits to gay state employees and their partners, since she feels the citizens of Alaska ultimately should make that decision. That being said, Gov. Palin choose to campaign as someone who had gay and lesbian friends and respected homosexuals (see the cited source for more information) and this was newsworthy in her run against Gov Murkowski in the republican primary. This is not a "point of view" statement, it was a legitimate issue in the campaign, as Alaska has a large number of gay and lesbian residents. Again, feel free to read the cited source to gain more information.

I hope this answers your concerns. If not, feel free to tell me what your concern is and hopefully I can help you gain perspective. Best Wishes.

PanzaM22 (talk) 18:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC) Mike

polar bears

Links are suggested for the polar bears controversy (the suit against listing as endangered). (1) Links are suggested for the legal case. When the decision is in, there a should be a link to that. Meanwhile, I think there should be links on the status of the case. (2) The site should link to the wikipedia polar bear article. Note that the issue of listing for U.S. is somewhat distinct from the issue of whether the polar bear is threatened globally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.67.39 (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How/Why in the hell is this considered a "controversy"?!? Ynot4tony2 (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Mat Maid controversy topic

It seems that whomever wrote the Mat Maid controversy topic wrote it with a bias against Sarah Palin, as it made no mention of the fact that the reason she fired the Mat Maid board was simply because they refused to see her in any way after announcing they were shutting down the dairy. This was the reason they were fired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.10.61 (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Mayor of Wasilla

I added the fact that Palin is the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska to her initial introduction in this article. It is of note that she is running for governor, but if that were not true then she would still be notable as a politician as the former Wasilla mayor. Michaelh2001 07:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Commissioner Dismissal section heavily slanted in favor of Palin

  • It does not mention that this is an ongoing scandal. Generally, this sort of thing is under a 'Controversies' section in Wiki biographies.
  • It says that Wooten was 'involved in' a divorce and child custody battle, which could mean he's a paper pusher at a law firm. In fact, he was the husband of her sister. He's an ex-brother-in-law.

NOT Governor yet

Pallin hasn't taken office yet. She shouldn't be listed as the 11th Governor. GoodDay 16:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Alaska governors take office on the first Monday in December of the year they are elected. Gov. Palin took office yesterday in Fairbanks (readers please note the datestamps of these comments). This was the first time since statehood an Alaska gubernatorial inauguration was held outside of Juneau, the state's capital. McGehee 17:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalised

This article and even the discussion have already been vandalised by the Obama people. I shall try to find the previous image and restore it but I'm not good at this. I recommend you lock this page ASAP. Thank you. But you should have seen it coming, what with the track record of Obama's campaign HQ.

VPILF?

I'm not entirely certain "Vice President's I'd Like To Fuck" is a good link... I say this as a registered Green who isn't worried about the effect on Palin per se, but as someone who thinks that maybe a bit of decorum is warranted. I also note that there has been NO discussion of the inclusion of this link. Given that Palin's wiki page is likely to become a very popular and very important, links ought to be vetted, at the least. I am going to remove it unless someone wants to have a discussion about the link - placing it without discussion is no better than deleting it without discussion. Morgaledh (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Needs editing?

Governor Murkowski did appoint Palin to serve as a commissioner on the state's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which she served on during 2003-2004, but later resigned, in protest over her perceived "lack of ethics" by fellow Alaskan Republican leaders. This included the state party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, a fellow commissioner, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time and providing a sensitive email to a lobbyist. She filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former state Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who was eventuallly found not guilty.

Can someone put a picture of this girl up? SHES SMOKIN!

picture

can someone please put up a picture of her?-Bentley4

Well, we now have a picture of her playing high school basketball, so I suppose a normal picture isn't necessary.</sarcasm> Wikipedia in recent months has become probably the worst place on the internet to find pictures of living individuals. It's really completely ridiculous. john k 06:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Totally agree. Publicity photo's, HQ, made available on their web site - and we can't use them. And people don't even have the guts to point out problems on their own. Just send out the Nazi-bot to do their dirty work. I used to edit every day. Now maybe once every couple of months and nothing major. </vent> --Geneb1955 (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

In the Family and Personal Background section there needs to be a small edit to insert "organization", it should say she was head of the school organization Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

Seriously, some people just have too much time on their hands that they can put up a dumb picture in place of the regular one...

Here's a place to record links that might be useful in this article.

I have thoroughly fixed and updated the links used as references for this article because they had quite a few faults. The essential problem is the use of bare links; i.e., a URL with no other identifying information. These frequently break, and without data like news article titles or website page titles, it is often impossible even to know where to look for a replacement source. (Archive sites like the Wayback Machine or Google sometimes help, but often do not.)

As an example, here are three problems I couldn't easily fix:

  1. "Palin canceled an eleven-mile gravel road…"
  2. "…used her veto power to make the second largest cuts of the construction budget…"
  3. "[Palin] has denied rumors of running against incumbent senator Ted Stevens in next year's Republican primary."

Sources must provide the exact basis on which the article text is written. A document or webpage that is merely a starting point, requiring further research to find the claim made in the article, is not a source. Therefore, I have replaced these links where necessary with {{fact}} tags. If I weren't just cleaning up citations, I'd probably replace the various blog citations with fact tags as well. Blogs are almost never reliable sources.

The main point to remember is that bare links should be never be used as sources for Wikipedia articles. One doesn't necessarily have to create a fully filled-out citation, but should at least include basic title and/or descriptive information (e.g., date, author) with the reference. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Sarah cancelled the road outside of Juneau...

... here is an article that gives a fairly decent explanation. However I have no clue how to do the edit thing on Wikipedia so maybe someone else can go to the article, verify the information and them post it as the citation?

http://www.seakayakermag.com/2007/Oct07/Environment01.htm

Thanks. 64.4.228.13 (talk) 02:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have nominated the article on Sarah Palin's husband, Todd Palin for deletion. --TommyBoy (talk) 06:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

That article was deleted and redirected to the Sarah Palin on March 15.--JayJasper (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Alaska Gas Inducement Act Section

The entire section's wording seems to be strongly biased against the act. The neutrality is questionable - the section reads like a diatribe against the act, not an informational article about the act. The "references" link to blog or personal websites, not to reputable sources.

Consequently, I have deleted the entire section. TRosenbaum (talk) 14:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

"Gay friends?"

She opposes same-sex marriage, but has gay friends and has otherwise been receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[17]

What does it matter if she "has gay friends?" How is this relevant to her polices toward homosexuals? I deleted the phrase while leaving in her alleged receptivenss to concerns regarding homophobic discrimination, only to find this quickly reverted. Can anyone explain to me how having "gay friends" can affect one's decisions as a leader? I strongly believe that this little phrase lends a POV to the article.Shabeki (talk) 10:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello Shabeli, perhaps I can explain and put this into perspective for you. Governor Palin supported amending Alaska's constitution to ban gay marriage, and was/is willing to support allowing the people (not the legislature) to decide if medical benefits should be denied to same sex couples. However, she vetoed legislation that would have denied medical benefits to gay state employees and their partners, since she feels the citizens of Alaska ultimately should make that decision. That being said, Gov. Palin choose to campaign as someone who had gay and lesbian friends and respected homosexuals (see the cited source for more information) and this was newsworthy in her run against Gov Murkowski in the republican primary. This is not a "point of view" statement, it was a legitimate issue in the campaign, as Alaska has a large number of gay and lesbian residents. Again, feel free to read the cited source to gain more information.

I hope this answers your concerns. If not, feel free to tell me what your concern is and hopefully I can help you gain perspective. Best Wishes.

PanzaM22 (talk) 18:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC) Mike

polar bears

Links are suggested for the polar bears controversy (the suit against listing as endangered). (1) Links are suggested for the legal case. When the decision is in, there a should be a link to that. Meanwhile, I think there should be links on the status of the case. (2) The site should link to the wikipedia polar bear article. Note that the issue of listing for U.S. is somewhat distinct from the issue of whether the polar bear is threatened globally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.67.39 (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How/Why in the hell is this considered a "controversy"?!? Ynot4tony2 (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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