Talk:Art punk

I would suggest that some merger take place between this article and the Art-Pop/Punk/Metal page. --Mjspe1 12:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Not Punk?

I definately disagree with the claim that these artists are influenced by punk but are not punk, since many of these artists are considered punk artists. Also, the definition of "influenced by punk but not punk" is also the definition of Alternative, New Wave, Post-Punk and Indie Rock.

Clean up

Can someone please clean up the links on this page? At least make them alphabetical? I'm quite disposed at the moment, and don't have the time to tackle it myself. --FACT50 21:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Bands

I added most of bands which had been deleted. Welsey, please do not delete them without discussing them first on Talk. I've checked on Allmusic, eMusic and Rolling Stone - if reviewers have called them art-punk, then they're included in this article. Bands can fit into more than one category.

By the way, why did you follow me here from the DR article? FilmGal 02:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The thing is "art punk" isn't necessarily a genre term. It can also be an adjective. So by describing say, Wire, as "art punk" can simply mean they are a punk band with arty tendencies. We need an actual description of the genre to work from, otherwise this list is highly subjective. Personaly I think this page could even be redirected to post-punk, since that's what many of these bands are classified as in specific genre terms. WesleyDodds 17:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

But here's the problem: What differentiates "art-punk" as an adjective and "art-punk" as a genre? It's not like the difference between The Doors being called "gothic" and the Sex Gang Children being a "goth rock" band. Isn't art-punk primarily punk bands with "arty tendencies"? As I'm sure everyone who is editing this article knows how little info there is on art punk, other than the music-related articles we're able to find on the web or in old magazines. So...there isn't really much of an actual description as of yet. The only main thing we have to go on is that we have found these bands as being referred to as art-punk, and the inlfluences and similarities between these bands. -- CatZilla 16:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request

Removing the bulk of an article's content and then nominating it for speedy deletion because it lacks content is at best a disingenuous tactic. If you would like to pursue deletion of this article, please take it to articles for deletion. - EurekaLott 03:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

How was that disingenious? The content that was removed had been unsourced for monthes.Hoponpop69 01:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Strategy

I guess this page is here to stay, so we should try to figure out how to make sense of it. It seems to me that "art punk" breaks down into post-punk, noise rock and dance punk, primarily. So-called "avant-punk" should definitely be merged into this page. Aryder779 (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that this article should be conceived as a disambiguation page, something like punk metal. In any case, I think it would be a fool's errand to try to treat "art punk" as a definable genre. I mean, Black Flag are really very arty, and in their own way so are the Ramones, and the Sex Pistols ... in the broad sense, all punk is art punk. Oi! is still art, albeit pared-down and minimal art. Aryder779 (talk) 12:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see this/Known Issues

As one who's been using this term for some time, I'm glad to see that it finally has what look like the beginnings of a decent Wikipedia article. Thanks to IL7Soulhunter for starting this latest incarnation. The term "art punk" has been used 1,435 times by 699 people on last.fm [1]. If that's to be taken as any kind of barometer, it's used by a certain community at least to some degree, albeit not as much as the arguably synonymous genre identifiers "post-punk" or "post-hardcore," among others. The way I use this term is essentially a catch-all for any intellectual, complex punk rock that does not conform to the more "rockist" tendencies of classic punk or hardcore punk, influenced by classic punk and/or hardcore punk though it may be. In other words, "art punk" is an umbrella term including post-punk, post-hardcore, post-punk revival, and myriad smaller movements and offshoots such as no wave. But I digress: What we need here are references to the whole art punk movement from reliable, well written sources. I'll certainly be on the lookout. -ilikeartrock