Talk:Yellow Submarine (album)

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Recording Dates

Although Yellow Submarine was recorded in 66 it was recorded for Revolver, the start of the recording for the Yellow Submarine project started with the recording of All Together Now. The tracks were nearly released as an EP and eventually made the album with the film score.

It could further be argued that as Magical Mystery Tour was also recorded in the post "Sgt. Pepper" period along with the 'Baby your a rich man' and 'All you need is love', that the track selection wasn't determined until spring 68.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that the project was not recorded as "an album" but the album came from the need to supply some songs for the film project. Therefore the Yellow Submarine album's recording start date could only be taken from the earlist of the songs recorded for and eventually chosen for the project. simonthebold 23:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics Links

The following discussion was posted on Wikipedia's main Beatles discussion page, and appears to also be relevant here:

Are links to lyrics sites appropriate? I have noticed them in some music articles, and I believe they do add value to the listings. I added one at the bottom of the external links section. In the interest of full disclosure, it is a website I maintain. If the interest is positive, I would likely add lyrics links to other musical articles where appropriate. Shadar 19:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that lyrics sites reprint lyrics in violation of copyright, and that's why we're not supposed to link to them. The relevant guideline to check would be Wikipedia:External links, but that page doesn't directly address this question. I'm going to post a question to the discussion page there, and perhaps someone can tell us whether my idea is correct or mistaken. In the latter case, I'd be happy to restore the link myself. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted my question Wikipedia talk:External links#Lyrics sites here. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If the decision is made that lyrics sites are inappropriate due to the copyright violation issue, I would like to delete the links I found. As a newbie, it would give me good practice in editting. Is that an appropriate action for a new user, and is there a FAQ on deletion etiquette? Shadar 19:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we received an answer, and it refers us to item #2 at Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking. It comes down to whether the lyrics are actually under copyright or in the public domain, and whether or not the site in question has the copyright holder's permission to publish the lyrics. If you'd like to remove links to lyrics sites that are in violation of our copyright policy, then you're welcome to do so. The best way to avoid offense is probably to mention the External links policy (or WP:EL, as we like to call it) in your edit summary. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can certainly understand that decision. It turns out I violated the self interest clause anyways, since I posted my own site. I should have recommended the change in talk, and then if someone agreed they could make the change. Thanks for the help with this, GTBacchus. Shadar 17:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that there are also links to lyric pages on each of the Wikipedia Beatles album pages. I should have time to fix those tonight. I'll follow the above advice of GTBacchus in mentioning the WP:EL, and refer to this discussion on each album discussion page. InnerRevolution7 02:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the above-stated change. InnerRevolution7 04:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is this listed as an official Beatles album?

Every Beatles album - with the possible exception of Please Please Me which was produced at George Martin's behest as a contractual obligation and simply took a cross-section of the band's (then) live act - was a deliberately conceived project. The band planned and conceived each album, becoming more and more ambitious, and assuming more and more autonomous control, as their career progressed. In that sense then, British releases should always take precedence over American releases, which often included tracks added by Capitol for commercial rather than artistic reasons. Yellow Submarine is not a Beatles project, not in any way - it has no more right to be featured in the canon than A Collection Of Beatles Oldies, even though it contains tracks unreleased elsewhere. To define it as a Beatles album makes a mockery of that appellation; it is a soundtrack album in the same way as Quadrophenia (from 1979) is a soundtrack album even though most of it features The Who. I would move for this to be removed from the list of official Beatles albums. 88.105.186.79 (talk) 23:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I completley agree. In fact, I am going to change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.40.63.122 (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree — The Beatles participated in this album in that they recorded songs for it, helped decide what would be on it, etc. In addition, several band-related sources list it as an official release. It is a soundtrack, but that should not disqualify it as an official release: both A Hard Day's Night and Help! are soundtracks and both are considered official releases. The comparison to A Collection Of Beatles Oldies is troubling; I don't consider that an official release because as far as I recall it was re-releases only. (I could be wrong about that; some material might have been released in the USA but not the UK, etc.) In any case, I think Yellow Submarine is much closer to a real release than it is to something like Love Songs or other compilations that were purely record company projects. — John Cardinal (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Hard Days Night and Help! are not purely (as Yellow Submarine is) soundtrack albums. Their US counterparts are, but the origanal UK Hard Days Night and Help! are purely studio albums. As in, both these albums contain songs that where written for thier movies, but always ment to be used upcoming albums. Yellow Submarine on te other hand, contains songs that they recorded strickly for the film, and the soundtrack they later apeared on was never ment to be (and truely isn't)a true studio album. Plain and simple, the Beatles themseleves do not consider this to be one of thier studio albums, so therefore it should not ever be known as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.40.63.122 (talk) 02:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it's "plain and simple" as you say, then can you provide a reliable source that says the Beatles did not consider Yellow Submarine an official release? — John Cardinal (talk) 22:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It contains songs that were already released before hand (Yellow Submarine and All You Need is Love) and the other half of the album are not even beatles songs. Does that sound like a studio album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.40.63.122 (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not evidence from a reliable source; that's original research. — John Cardinal (talk) 23:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still, use common sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.40.63.122 (talk) 11:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neoclassical?

The infobox on the right lists "classical" under Genre. While this is true, perhaps "Neoclassical" would be better, as it's more specific to the style of Martin's orchestral score than simply "classical". Any objections?

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