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Boyne Viaduct and Millmount

Moved both Boyne Viaduct and Millmount Fort to their own respective pages, i belive both sites warnt their own pages for just not their importance to the town but the country as a whole. Removed things to do as it was a advet. --Boothy443 23:21, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Edits

I am planning on adding more on the history of town, attractions, and such, so just bare with me, if you want to add things feel free, and I'll incorporate them into the edits that i have that are ongoing, hopefully i can expand this out a bit more. Feel free to comment or contact me. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 20:01, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation Guide

Do you think it would be a good idea to include an indication of how the town's name is pronounced? I've never heard anyone outside of Ireland (with the sole exception of Bill Clinton) pronounce it remotely correctly.

Am I the only one who hears "Cromwell" when somebody says "Drogheda"? :-) Seriously, does anybody know anything about the old town walls of Drogheda, where I could find a map of them or a study of them? I'm looking for the same for Trim, Ceannanas Mór, and Navan. I can be contacted at angabhar@hotmail.com. Le dea-mhéin. PS: That is amazing about the Turks in An Gorta Mór and the town crest. I never heard that before.

Yes please, do add pronunciation guide -- the best is an audio file if you've got a microphone on your computer. --stochata 20:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, the best is IPA. Why does the English wikipedia seem to be allergic to including it? BTW I'm not from Drogheda but I always pronounce it that way, as two syllables. Don't know why :-) --Dub8lad1 00:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hou can you get two syllables when it is clearly three! Is Leinster really that anglicised? --Red King 22:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

contradictory

The last census put Dundalk as Ireland's largest town. Previous to that it was Drogheda. The difference is never more than 1000. They are both virtually the same size

How is Drogheda Ireland's largest town, when Dundalk is said to have a larger population? Also, one iteam says 31,200, and another 30,000. Make up your mind!

Dundalk is a city not a town!!!--213.202.158.49 (talk) 06:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Staunton a Drogheda inhabitant? erm....no

On the first part you are half right. While dundalk is bigger in pouplation then Drogheda, the difference is that while Dundalk is a town, Drogheda is technicaly a borough. I belive that it status among the boroughs in the country put it in first, but being that i dont have the current pouplation figures in front of me, i cant say for sure, if anything it at least in the top three.

Second while i cant say if Staunton currently live in drogheda or the Surrounding area, i dont know, he was born their. Will make appropae changes to the section heading. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 06:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Is the quoted population that of population living inside the town borough or are the significant populations living just outside the borough boundary in Meath and Louth included in the count. In the article on Leinster the population of Drogheda is listed as 37,601. Highlands16 14:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What does the census say?

The census is the only official measure of population. Wikipedia can't have 'should be's, 'by right's, 'we was robbed' or any other personal opinion. It has to be the legal population ffigure as decided by the census. Can someone please find out what it is and put it in the info box. Then check all the various references to Drogheda (such as Ireland#Demographics) and record the official figure. --Red King 22:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman humanitary aid during the Great Famine

"During the Great Famine, in 1847 the Ottoman Empire wished to donate Ireland 10,000 pounds on behalf of humanity, but Queen Victoria would let only 1000 English pounds to be given as a healing. So, the Ottoman padishah of the time, Abdülmecid (abdeulmedgid), sent 5 freighter ships (filled with bulk for the Irish) to Britain from Istanbul. In response to Queen Victoria's preventing the ships to dock in English ports, the five ships disembarked their loads in the first Irish port possible, Drogheda."

Does this information have any factual accuracy? Throughout the Internet, there is no reference of this except the same paragraph cited in other sources about Drogheda.

Klael 15:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if any reference to this can be found, this is NOT the reason Drogheda has the star and cresent on its coat of arms. I have removed this sentence and renamed the section using the header listed here "Ottoman humanitary aid during the Great Famine" Bailzebub (talk) 18:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea whether or not the Sultan Abdul Medgid sent aid to ireland or not. (1, 2, 3 or 5 everyone has a differen number) But that is NOT the origin of the the Star & Cresent emblem. The Civic Arms are medieval in origin. The star and crescent are the personal royal seal of King John, who gave the town its charter. The gate is St. Lawrence's Gate, a Norman building that still stands in the town. The ship represents the town's status as a major trading port, while the three lions (or leopards) represent the House of Plantagenet. The source is http://www.ngw.nl/int/ier/d/drogheda.htm. Jalipa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.67.164.37 (talk) 12:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

URBAN MYTH!This has all the hallmarks of an urban myth and should be removed. The citation is in Turkish and has version of the story from an article on a football match. There is no appearance of this alleged incident in any history in the famine.77.251.125.7 (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is absolute nonsense, there is no relation between the town's coat of arms ('flag of Drogheda') and the Ottoman Empire's donations to Ireland during the Famine. I'm removing the erroneous paragraph from the introduction. As stated above, the civic arms are of medieval origin and predate the Famine by some 600-700 years.88.109.15.111 (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Noted Natives

Okay people, stop adding every thomas, richard and harold that was born in Lourdes. It is the main maternity unit in the NE. Should Tommy Tiernan, Dylan Moran and Hector all be added? Just because they were born here does not mean they are Drogheda men. If you can prove than Pierce spent a substantial portion of his life in drogheda then I will stop removing it. Johnny-Carmello

I'm with Johnny here- Removed Staunton and Brosnan. Staunton has never lived in the town and I doubt that Brosnan ever did. Just because the Lourdes Hospital is located in the town doesn't mean that all those born there are "from" Drogheda. Downunda 05:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to disagree because Pierce's heritage is in Drogheda, unlike some other people e.g. Keanu Reeves was born in Beirut, Eddie Izzard was born in Aden, and Bruce Willis was born in Idar-Oberstein. I wouldn't say they are of these nationalities because they were born there but only if it is their cultural heritage which it isn't for the previously mentioned. However, correct me if I am wrong, does Pierce's heritage lie in Drogheda? Since I am outnumbered, I guess I will have to stick with "no".

I'm not sure though if Brosnan or any of his family actually lived in Drogheda or its immediate surrounds. He definitely has some Navan links as I recall he was made a "Freeman" of Navan (or something similar). He has some very Irish traits (sense of humour being one) but I don't know if any of this can be linked to Drogheda. I am open to correction though Downunda 04:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know that Danes have founded it?

what are the sources? --Comanche cph 23:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Danes founded nearly every town on the east coast.It's fairly safe to say they did. Dermo69

Cogar, inis dom...

Cad é an scéal mar gheall ar an t-ainm ar Dhroichead Átha, 'Pontana'? Cén saghas foinse focail atá i gceist? El Gringo 20:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Drogheda for Kids

Drogheda for KidsJust wondering if anyone would be opposed to adding a link? The website is designed to help families moving into the area. There are links to activities, education and a community forum (soon-to-be). If you're intersted in seeing preliminary ideas for the site pls. look @ http://www.zyworld.com/kcirelandkids/

noted natives

Is not Pierce Brosnan born and/or raised here? --Sobreira 22:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC) Sorry, I did not read those previous statement of removing Brosnan. I was not pretending to start again a discussion on it, but in any case of having doubts, we can start another third level headline on "related people", as the article of Brosnan directs here and it is a bit surprising not finding him here. --Sobreira 22:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better to get rid of this section altogether.

How is it pronounced

Members of my family who come from Drogheda refer to the town as DRAWDAH. Is this correct? Almost everyone else pronounces it as DROCKEDA. Arcturus 22:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Drawdah" is very much the colloquial pronounciation. "Draw-head-da" i believe is the correct form. I note the IPA pronunciation on this page is incorrect, if someone has the know-how as to hot to fix this...Downunda 23:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Drogheda should be 'merged' with Drogheda United. BigMacintosh

I disagree, Drogheda United is notable enough to deserve its own page. Cleaned up perhaps with regards to this page, i'm sure there is more about sport in drogheda than merely the drogs Johnny-Carmello 16:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drogheda is still in Meath and Louth?

This article repeats what appears, to me, to be a common myth: that Drogheda is still in two counties. Does anybody have a reference for this? As far as I am aware both sides of Drogheda united as early as 1412 to create a unified corporation and the Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 ensured that all of Drogheda was moved into Louth. Does anybody have a reference supporting the continued existence of the two county division? Thanks. 89.100.195.42 00:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The opening line states the situ clearly and precisely:

"an industrial and port town in County Louth (on the county line with Meath) "

Judging by your other wiki contributions, I wonder if your query is in good faith or if you are just trolling...Downunda 04:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Clearly and precisely'? This article says: 'so when the National Census was completed only the Louth section was gave as the population of Drogheda, truly the population within a 7km radius of the town centre stands above 50,000.' So if there was a 'Louth section' of Drogheda that implies, to me, that there are other sections of the town. And if you are including a 7km radius as being the town, as this article is doing, then this article is definitely implying that Drogheda is in both counties. Judging by your above understanding of the English language I wonder is this some idiosyncratic Lenten campaign to inflict involvement in a literary outlet like wikipedia on your own leisure time? 89.100.195.42 00:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article makes sense. Drogheda is in Louth although parts of Meath are within a 7km radius of the town. Can't you limit your personal attacks to the British whom he seem to enjoy taunting? Downunda 01:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My official address, on the register, is Drogheda, CO. MeathJohnny-Carmello 23:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know people in Monasterboice and Clogherhead include "Drogheda" on their address as it speeds up mail deliery. Johnny, do you live in the town or a surrounding village/area that might also benefit (ie with quicker post) from having the town on their address? Downunda 05:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

in town Johnny-Carmello 00:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I live in drogheda. The government tells me im in meath, so i have no reason to doubt them. Johnny-Carmello 20:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I live in Drogheda but I'm in Meath and live in Meath. If u keep on saying that Drogheda isn't in Meath/Louth I will form a rally outside wikipeadia HQ and vandalise all pages I come across!!!.Secondly Drogheda is big enough to be a city.50,000 is the official

pop but is probably 75,000+

These things are often not clear-cut. Bray has a section in County Dublin, which, so far as I know is still included in the town population. Apart from an annoying habit of Wicklow County Council of putting their "Welcome to Wicklow" signs about a kilometer inside Dublin (Dún Laoghaire doesn't bother with the welcomes) there seems little problem with the notion of Bray having a population straddling both counties. (Sarah777 (talk) 00:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]

For postal reasons/ease of recognition some places are referred to as 'Drogheda' but in the strict sense are not in Drogheda. My polling card is addressed Laytown, Drogheda but you could in no way argue that Laytown is in Drogheda. As far as I can see this is for postal reasons. The official line, as far as I know, is that Drogheda is a town in county Louth. I know there was war back in the 60s/70s when Drogheda Borough was extended at the expense of Meath (this is how it is referred to in the official records of the Dail debates at the time). From this it would seem that the government didn't see it was feasible to have the town in two counties.So I propose we should stick to the facts as they are. Find out where the actual town boundary is (is the Ordinanace Survey the official record??) and we call that Drogheda. I have no objection to then stating that it is on the border and nearby towns are ... (a section that has just been added I see), or the Greater Drogheda Area (which incorporates nearby villages in both Louth and Meath)...etc - which would be more factually correct. Just because the area is part of the urban sprawl spreading out from town centre of Drogheda is not a justifiable reason to call it all Drogheda. Soon enough all the surrounding villages will be 'Drogheda' and then who knows what we are going to call it when Drogheda and Balbriggan merge in the future.89.100.145.130 (talk) 21:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Just because the area is part of the urban sprawl spreading out from town centre of Drogheda is not a justifiable reason to call it all Drogheda." Rightly or wrongly that's the way it works. Dublin today is composed of dozens of places that were once separate towns and villages. Being in a different county had tended to slow down the process a bit; Lucan was "absorbed" easily and is just another large suburb; Leixlip in County Kildare is holding out but what does it mean? As is the case with Bray if a stranger asks "where are you from" half the population will reply Dublin; "What part of Dublin?" - Bray! So if Drogheda physically absorbs Laytown etc they will become part of it. When Balbriggan and Drogheda merge? Looking at the UK they will come to be regarded as parts of the bigger entity; so unless Balbriggan grows explosively it will one day be a part of South Drogheda. (Or maybe by then they'll both be parts of Dublin, in which case, ironically they'd keep their separate identities in the Tallaght/Clondalkin sense!! But I guess we are looking a wee bit far ahead. Sarah777 (talk) 05:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a legal border between Louth and Meath, in age ole times the river Boyne divided the two, but for to administrative ease, the Meath boundary was extended southwards to the outskirts of town. However due to the expansion for the town, the towns residential estates started overflowing into Meath. It makes sense to further extend this border to deal with this, but such a move would cause significant protests from some, who consider the Meath address to be more appealing to them, as such the boundary remains where it has been for decades, in some cases it runs straight through the middle of estates -eg Rosevale. For those living on the Dublin Road, the boundary line is the small stream that flows at the back of the Boyne Valley hotel and crossed the Dublin rd at the hotels entrance, so if you live South of the Hotels entrance you are in Meath, and if you live Drogheda side of the entrance you are in Louth, but some estates entrances are in Louth but the estates can overflow into Meath. Technically speaking the 'Drogheda' estates that are in Meath are not officially part of the town and have no voting rights or local services. They are considered by the residents to be Drogheda houses, but they are not de-jure Drogheda homes. As such, Drogheda is a 'Louth' town , whose suburbs and housing estates overlap into Meath. So Drogheda council and Meath Council often meet repairing roads in the same estates, it's a crazy situation, but that is where it is at.

In conclusion, no part of Drogheda is in Meath, however strongly the residents wish it and may include it on the postal addresses, as do the government to ease postal delivery.Tommyxx (talk) 10:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rating Articles

I've upgraded this from "start" to "b" (the next highest). Irish Wiki ratings seem to be a bit hit and miss (usually miss!) - but reading the definitions of the ratings this must be more than a "start". Bad and all as it is! A town the size of Drogheda, with such history, must have the potential to make a GOOD article. So get to work! (Sarah777 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

merger involving Neighborhoods

In general, neighborhoods have a tough time passing notability criteria and often end up on WP:PROD or WP:AFD. My suggestion is to merge several articles into Drogheda, perhaps into the Drogheda#Drogheda today section (as indicated in the article). The articles covered by this suggestion are:

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so there not neighborhoods, there ares outside of drogheda not quite part of it and no a town/village/city in it's own rite.So i think it's best to leave it alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markreidyhp (talk • contribs) 20:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In defence of Colp, it was quite a significant ecclesiastical settlement in late medieval Ireland (although not a word about it in the article). But generally, I think your point is sound, even if it would inspire all sorts of internal imperialism with, for instance, all the great things about Drogheda attributed to the Meath section and all the crap things attributed to the Louth section (there being more Meath people, and therefore more people to rob anything worth robbing in Louth- how (ahem) familiar!). 86.42.119.12 (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nearby towns section

I have created the new section Drogheda#Nearby towns as a subsection of Drogheda#Points of interest to collect article cross-references from the PROD-nominated Articles relating to Drogheda. I would suggest adding more distance-direction information to the list. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Town Size

see: Talk:Dundalk#Town_Size --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]