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September 22

Template:Coordinate

Template:Coordinate (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{coord}} (and to {{coord missing}}). Recent discussion at WT:GEO decided by consensus that {{coord}} is the preferred coordinates template. {{coordinate}}'s documentation states "Currently not implemented.". Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep it facilitates integration of content from Wikipedia's in other languages. Pages using the template can be converted periodically to the current standard template or wh*atever new templates are made up in the meantime (e.g. {{coord missing}}). -- User:Docu
  • Delete (or perhaps redirect to {{coord}}) as unused and redundant to other templates. Adambro (talk) 19:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Since it's currently deprecated, it's not going to get used, so it doesn't serve any purpose to keep it. {{Coordinate}} is a step too far, too soon, before we've even cleaned up the existing mess of at least twelve different geocoordinate templates: as far as the en: Wikipedia is concerned, it's an example of second system syndrome. One day, in a year or two, we may want something like it, but it's more likely to be implemented by progressive evolution of {{coord}}, without a need for a whole new syntax. {{coord}} is a kludge; but at least it's a single and currently-used kludge that is moderately well implemented and understood by our data reusers (notably Google), which can be used as a bottleneck for resolving problems as we evolve the system, without having a flag day. -- The Anome (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • If one doesn't want to do the conversions from {{coordinate}} to {{coord}} by bot, one could modify it to output a properly formatted {{coord}} when used in article namespace, e.g. {{Coordinate|NS=46/32/55/N|EW=7/58/59/E|type=pass|region=CH}} would output {{coord|46|32|55|N|7|58|59|E|type:pass_region:CH}}. -- User:Docu
  • Delete or Move to user space: {{Coordinate}} has some positive attributes like its brother is heavily used on DEwiki, and it accepts an elevation parameter. Disadvantages include that it takes more typing to use, and its heavier resource usage limits it to about 420 instances per article (as in an article listing coordinates), is not supported by Google Maps and Google Earth, formatting control seems less flexible, though the last could be my misunderstanding and/or poor documentation. The disadvantages greatly predominate. However, if development of coordinate addresses these, it should be fairly easy to migrate to it sometime down the road. —EncMstr (talk) 20:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Absolutely. One day we might migrate to something more parameterized (but that might well still be called {{coord}}), but until the day we've solved all the existing multi-templates problems, we shouldn't encourage any further template proliferation. -- The Anome (talk) 20:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this is deleted, it should be redirected. --NE2 20:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • why, and to what? Firstly, this template is not currently used in any article, removing any need for compatibility, and secondly, such a redirect would in any case be useless unless it's redirected to a template which implements the exact same interface, which creates a circular problem by taking us back to the original reason for deletion. The correct solution is to migrate any extant examples to supported templates. -- The Anome (talk) 22:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or userfy; I do not see the need for another coordinate template standard now. Don't redirect. There are several parties parsing Wikipedia for coordinates; we want to make that as simple as possible. -- Eugène van der Pijll (talk) 07:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Power templates

Template:Auto bhp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Auto Nm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Auto PS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Auto ihp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Same reason why all power templates such as {{auto hp}} already been agreed to be deleted. Completely redundant and not as complete as {{convert}}. {{Convert}} covers all occurrences of these measurements and is far more widely used. There is nothing these templates do that {{convert}} can't do, but many things these templates can't do that {{convert}} can. roguegeek (talk·cont) 18:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: lb·ft isnt supported by convert template,? as this was chosen as WP:CAR convention WP:AUN --— Typ932T | C  09:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
lb·ft seems to work fine with the convert template: 400 lb⋅ft (540 N⋅m) swaq 14:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
{{Convert}} does cover lb.ft just fine, but I'm not nominating that one yet. Just the four above. roguegeek (talk·cont) 16:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to work, you also need to get lb.ft from Nm conversions... --— Typ932T | C  21:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They do: 400 lb⋅ft (540 N⋅m) and 540 N⋅m (400 lb⋅ft) The editors over at Template talk:Convert are very helpful with getting changes like that into there. I've been talking with them about making sure all automotive specific conversion templates are cover. So far, it looks like all of them have always been. Let get these redundant auto conversion templates removed and stop the confusion. roguegeek (talk·cont) 23:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Erm...stop what confusion, exactly? You've made it clear the existence of the auto templates bothers you, but why is that? The auto templates work; what problem do you perceive them as causing? Okay, they aren't as versatile as {{convert}}...so what? They're easier (shorter) to type, and they seem to get their respective jobs done fine. And by deleting them, what problem — please be specific — will we solve that is bigger than the new problems we'll be causing? Deleting these templates will create an enormous amount of makework in articles that currently display correctly. Someone'll have to go back into each and every one of those articles and replace each and every one of those template instances. What benefit will we derive in exchange for all this seemingly needless work? —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 03:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason you don't want to get rid of these templates is because you're the only editor who is updating them. That's actually a big reason why I'm nominating for deletion. You tell us which is better? A minor template that only one editor is updating and subject to whatever errors introduced because no one else cares about them or a template like {{convert}} where dozens, if not more, very well informed editors continually update and keep maintained. Again, these were all of the same conclusions to remove other auto specific power templates. Also, no one will need to go back through every article to fix anything. That's what bots are for and they corrected anywhere {{auto hp}} was used when that template got nominated. Simply put, convert takes care of all cases of measurements and maintained by very many editors while also maintaining all standards set in WP:MOS. All of the templates are redundant to convert. roguegeek (talk·cont) 05:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cyndi Lauper singles

Template:Cyndi Lauper singles (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Merged with Template:Cyndi Lauper, no need for two templates covering the same sets of materials. Wildhartlivie (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:KeptDRV

Template:KeptDRV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused; creator blocked as an abusive role account. Stifle (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed typo in the nomination. Stifle (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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