Talk:Self-defense

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Some martial arts (such as Kempo)teach these predefined sequence of moves. For example, when an assalent punches with his right hand, the martial artist has to block with their left hand, step back, with there left arm grab their right hand, stepforward, punch them in the gut, elbow them in the face....etc and the sequence of moves continues based on the assumption that the assalent doesn't fight back. I believe the general name for this is called "self defense", or something simmilar. For this "self defense" I believe an appropriate definition would be: "a predefined order of moves a person is taught to use when attacked in a very particular way". In the United Studio's of Self Defense (http://www.ussd.com/a/) they teach what they call DM-x (where x is a number such as DM-6) and these are particular "self defenses". Please note that this type of self defense I'm talking about does not work in a real sittuation, and only works in martial art classes where the assalents are instructed not to fight back. For the record I'd just like to say that United Studio's of Self Defense is a load of crap and that it's not designed for real life situations

--artist 09:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Move to Self-defense

Should this page not be called Self-defense (with hyphen)? I cannot move it myself because the other page is a redirect. --nirvana2013 09:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

This entire article is not an encyclopedic entry about the term self-defense, but rather an incoherent musing on the nature of what constitutes self-defense. If wiki is supposed to be like an encyclopedia rather than a blog or editorial the wording of this article needs to be substantially changed.

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The art of self defense is to where a person is able to fend off an opposing threat to themself or other people.

This sentence deleted and pasted here for possible revision.--TJ 10:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC) $Insertformulahere$

National Self Defense

I attempted to edit the National Self Defense section by adding that a pre-emptive strike is also a form of self defense. After an hour of discussing it with "Nlu" (who deleted my addition) he told me to take my position here. If it is agreed here, then it will go back into the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MasterOfOrion37 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

I removed it because I believe that stating that it is a form of self-defense is POV. People are welcome to chime in. --Nlu (talk)

This article is decidedly non-encyclopedic

It contains far too many opinions and non-sourced facts. While I don't mean to be rude I move that this article be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia's article standards.

I agree... I'd help if i knew anything about martial arts or Wikipedia... 218.215.140.166 18:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Personal Alarms

I don't think "personal alarms" should be included on this page. Self defense by its implication would encompass active measures, not passive. Otherwise we should include sections on "looking both ways before street crossing" or "moving to better neighborhoods" as examples of passive self defense. Merriam-Webster [1] defines self defense thusly: "1  : a plea of justification for the use of force or for homicide 2  : the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative"

So "passive self defense" as embodied by including "personal alarms" would seem to be oxymoronic. Such items are mainly signaling devices, not weapons.

Also, "Pepper spray and personal tasers are other personal alarm options that can be used in self-defense in a less passive way, but they are meant as deterrant and emergency measures rather than assault items." (links omited) is self contradictory. A taser or can of pepper spray is not an alarm device & in fact are intended for assault &/or battery (in the pragmatic sense of the terms, not necessarily the legal ones). Mention of pepper spray & tasers should be included under the armed self defense heading, minus the description as "personal alarm options". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketgtr71 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Made Some Changes

- I rewrote the definition of "self-defense".
- Changed "Forms of Self-Defense" to "Physical Self-Defense" seeing as self-defense isn't always physical, though the article only lists physical forms.
- Added "Other Forms of Self-Defense" for the sake of organization.

MastaFighta (talk) 20:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Added Some Non-Physical Methods

I agree with MastaFighta that there is physical and non-physical methods. I have just added Awareness, Flight, and De-escalation to the "other forms of self-defense" section. Wsd4life (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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Many styles of martial arts, usually Asian styles, such as Jujutsu, Karate, Taekwondo,Wushu and Ninjitsu are practiced for self-defense. Some styles train almost exclusively for self-defense (Wing Chun, Krav Maga), putting emphasis on the bodies' weakest pressure-points . Others still, are practiced for other reasons and not intended for self-defense at all (eg Tai-Chi, Tae Bo). However, some martial arts that are practiced primarily for sport, such as boxing or judo can be effectively applied for self-defense.

A rewrite can be done and info should be re-inserted; pressure point technique is of vital importance for non-lethal takedowns of attackers and is thus vital in self-defence (not everyone wishes to kill his attacker even in a self-defence situation)

Also include info on atemi-waza, see http://www.scribd.com/doc/97777/Self-Defence-Pressure-Points, which is also focused on pressure point attacks. Finally, mention the staff and another non-lethal weapon (2 small sticks) which is used in the phillipines (saw on national geographic doc; see above). These are also useful with pressure point attacks I believe, like the tonfa—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.196.110 (talk • contribs)

I removed the bit about specific arts, there are hundreds that could be listed so better to just list martial arts generically.

(Atemi-wasa is not 'pressure points' but vulnerable points/areas) ones, using pp in self defence is contentious, & fight-science is not a reliable source, there was extensive criticisms of the methods. Mentioning staffs & batons as less lethal when the main idea is blunt for trauma seems odd, also do people walk down the road carring a 6 foot stick in-case? --Nate1481 17:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe then a seperate article may be made called "Non-lethal takedown"? Article could list stun guns, plastic baton rounds and new weapons such as the non-lethal launcher from FN