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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Vlatkoto (talk | contribs) at 18:06, 13 November 2008 (→{{tl|Macedonia (region) -stub}}). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

November 7

Category:South Africa rugby union biography stubs → Category:South African rugby union biography stubs

Noticed this one today - all the other RU bio-stub cats are in the form "Fooian..." - somehow this one slipped through without the "n" on the end. "Rename' to match the others. Grutness...wha? 00:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{Macedonia (region) -stub}}

Very oddly-named stub type (in terms of naming conventions for stub templates), which has no category link (not even a redlink), and was used on one article already correctly marked with {{RMacedonia-geo-stub}}. Can't see any real purpose for this other than to confuse and conflate stubs which are already marked appropriately. If kept, it will need a major overhaul, but Deletion is a far better idea. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a stub that notes that the article is Macedonia related. People that know little history understand it.

keep it because it points Macedonia as a whole not as divided.Vlatko (talk) 13:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a stub template that is very badly formed and which would require considerable effort to get it corrected - and when it was it would duplicate existing templates for both areas ({{RMacedonia-stub}} and {{Greece-stub}}, along with all their subtypes) which refer to themselves by the name Macedonia. As such, there is no purpose for it. As for referring to Macedonia as a whole, regions which cross current national borders usually get both stub types. I realise there's not always the friendliest of feelings across this particular border, but that shouldn't cause problems with double-stubbing here when necessary. Grutness...wha? 22:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete. -geo-stubs use the present borders of modern political entities. Varying from this practice would be gratuitous edit-war fodder, especially in cases like this, of well-known contentiousness. Alai (talk) 03:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do I have to point that Macedonia through history was whole, it is divided in the last century. No matter the political view. Everything regarding Macedonia should include this stub.Vlatko (talk) 16:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, you don't have to point that out at all. There are large numbers of countries that were whole at some point in their history and are not now - and they don't have stub types. With a few very rare exceptions, stub types relating to countries use current national boundaries, as explained above by both me and Alai. Grutness...wha? 22:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Even if so, as you are saying, still every article regarded that is connected with Macedonia is also related, with, and for the stub should stayVlatko (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be an assertion without apparent foundation, and frankly a pretty unlikely one. Your favoured scope would against all current practice, as you've been told repeatedly, and it would blatantly provocative of flames and revert wars, as would any number of "X region" of "Greater Y" scopings of (alleged) historical entities, or ought-to-have-been-entities, that take "bites" out of recognised present-day countries. Alai (talk) 17:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Macedonia has its own history, it's not up to anyone's belief to create a new point of view, only because someone has romantic-history points, not real ones. Propagandas should be stopped in any form, the stub is a real one and you know it. Vlatko (talk) 22:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Macedonia has its own -geo-stub type. It's not up to anyone's POV-pushing (and IMO borderline trolling) to create a new one, which, if it were to ever be used, would instantly create a furore on the affected article, by carving out chunks of neighbouring countries (which all also have their own -geo-stub types, which would be correctly used. I see only one person pushing "propaganda" here, and I strongly urge you to stop. Alai (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are pushing the propaganda for Macedonia deconsolidation. In which way did I create a propaganda, here I have no intentions. It is you who stops a true connection. I do not have to point how petty your jokes are (non consensual voting). Vlatko (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Deconsolidation"? What the heck? Is there some part of "current political boundaries" that's unclear to you? Or do you simply think that this "definition-defying" region is some sort of exception to the practice we follow everywhere else? If at some point you chose to address the point about the massive scope for disruption if someone were so reckless as to start tagging places in Greece or Bulgaria as being part of the "Macedonian region", please let me know. Otherwise, just knock it off: I personally see absolutely nothing in the least funny here. Alai (talk) 05:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This stub is a general abbreviation for all articles related to Macedonia as a term. The meaning is obvious not implicative. Ehat are you so afraid of? Vlatko (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No one is mentioning fear, humor, or any other emotional or political implication, except you. If you are not willing to discuss this stub type on its merits as a technical component of Wikipedia, not a national or regional political or historic issue, then you need to find another forum. Her Pegship (tis herself) 00:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My intention is not to make or do some political conflict :), I simply think that is good the stub to be used as general abbreviation for Macedonia related articles. Isn't that obvious?Vlatko T 18:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{China-health-stub}} / Category:Chinese health stubs

An unproposed mishmash - mainly of of PRChina-hospital-stub and {{China-university-stub}} articles and with a few culture-stub articles thrown in for good measure - using the ambiguous term "China" where the term PRChina is more appropriate ("China" is only used on stub template names where there's likely to be a clear bias towards pre-1949 subjects. In fact, {{China-university-stub}} probably need renaming for this reason - sdee below). No other country has a specific health-stub subtype - the only such subtypes are related to specific topics of health study or concern (e.g., Category:Dentistry stubs). I will note that there is currently no {{PRChina-hospital-stub}} type - this should probably be rectified (and I'll propose same at WP:WSS/P). Delete. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{China-university-stub}} / Category:China university stubs

Given that we have a separate {{Taiwan-university-stub}}, I'm not entirely sure why this template isn't at {{PRChina-university-stub}}, as is usual for stub types relating primarily to the PRC. Propose renaming to {{PRChina-university-stub}} and Category:People's Republic of China university stubs respectively. Grutness...wha? 01:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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