Talk:Doctor Eggman

We could push this to GA status easily

Eggman, Robotnik or whatever you wanna call the guy has a lot of info about him that can be cited and should be doable for a GA article before the DVD submission deadline.

• The creations section needs to be trimmed back and merged into a trimmed In video games section.
• Characteristics needs to discuss his look and features in a citable manner. Look at Master Chief (Halo) for some ideas on how to write it.
• A reception section needs to be developed. To that end I propose posting links of reception in third party media that can be cited here and working out a solid section from there.
• In other media needs to be condensed and cleaned up. Take a look at how Superman handles the subsection.
• Merchandise and promotion needs to be cited. That's a given. So what was there to promote the character?

So who's with me?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Ivo?

So, I've been thinking, is the first name "Ivo" outdated information?

Let's consider the facts, in rough order...

- The manual for the American Sonic the Hedgehog calls him Dr. Ivo Robotnik. Ivo quickly vanishes from all official first-party material.

- The Japanese and Western games keep calling him different names ("Eggman" and "Robotnik"), with few hints of the other occasionally (named "EGGMAN" on Wing Fortress in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Sonic & Tails 2's Robotnik Winter Zone) all the way into Sonic Adventure International, where most language tracks besides the original Japanese have him use Robotnik as his real name and Eggman as the name known by Sonic and his friends (presumeably an insult). He also calls his dream city "Eggmanland" rather than "Robotnikland" in the Japanese version, although now that ambition seems to extend to the world, unless I'm mistaken.

- The sequel, Sonic Adventure 2, has him call himself Eggman, but there are characters related to him with the last name "Robotnik", and his background on a TV at once point calls it the Robotnik Empire rather than the Eggman Empire. After this point, Eggman is considered an alias, and the real name "Robotnik" is rarely mentioned.

- To address the issue, Yuji Naka has been quoted in saying that Robotnik is Eggman's real name, and that Eggman is a common nickname. He thought that perhaps it was even Sonic that came up with the name in the first place, and that he wouldn't be too surprised if Sonic used the name out of affection rather than as a true insult (which I suppose is true in Sonic Adventure, since if he's idle at the Mystic Ruins Base, he'll seriously call him "Robotnik" for once).

- The Japanese profile on the official Sonic Channel website claims that Dr. Eggman's real name is unknown.

- In Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, for the first time in a long while, Eggman calls himself Dr. Robotnik every once in a while. In fact, the Codex in the game calls him Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik, with no mention of a first name.

See what I'm getting at? My point is, while his real last name may be Robotnik, his first name was lost long ago, thus why his real full name isn't determined on Sonic Channel. Sure, there may be some licensed, non-Sega publications that still refer to him as Ivo (Archie's adaptation of Sonic and the Secret Rings comes to mind), but it's never direct Sega material since the name's first appearance that suggests his first name wasn't merely fabricated by the early localization team. So, we should really eliminate his first name since it's officially a mystery, and mention it in passing where his name confusion comes into play. It's simply no longer in effect. 156.12.150.206 (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, the name "Ivo" should be kept for several reasons:

1 it has historical context;

2 no reliable source (that I know of) has ever flatly addressed the issue of "Ivo" in relation to the games so calling it outdated is original research (Sonic Channel seems to include his last name as being unknown as well, contradicting other bios, interviews, and game scripts that say it is "Robotnik" - if written carefully, this can be noted as well if it isn't already);

3 this article is not just about the video game version of the character, besides being used in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, the Archie comic Sonic the Hedgehog also features the name "Ivo" in its current material. CIGraphix (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it does have historical context, but that's exactly why I thought it should be mentioned in the article rather than as part of his full name. As for any reliable source ever dismissing Ivo, nothing has ever really reinforced it, either - it's only the "Robotnik" part that's ever mentioned. Yuji Naka has said that Robotnik is his real name, but didn't say Ivo Robotnik was... And, aside from that interview, the Japanese continuity doesn't really reinforce the name outside of Sonic Adventure 2, so it would make sense if Sonic Channel listed his real name as unknown (in fact, in Sonic Adventure 2, he still doesn't call himself a Robotnik, he just happened to be related to people with that last name, so it's still possible for his real name to be completely unknown in the Japanese continuity). Lastly, the bulk of the article is about the game version of Eggman - Ivo remains true to his AoStH persona, just like Maurice (or whatever) doesn't apply to Sonic's real name in the games. 156.12.150.206 (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Name is not outdated. It definitely should, at least, have a mention in the article. --158.83.184.88 (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't Eggman's first name (Ivo) used in the Sonic Advance 2/3 manual? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.116.239.252 (talk) 04:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Julian

When I was growing up, I had (and still have) the Genesis games, and they referred to him as Julian Robotnik in America. There's not mention of this. -- 24.28.247.222 (talk) 03:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)