User talk:EncMstr

Elect the Best Financed, Least Offensive Person For the Job (aka Oregon COTW)

Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another COTW. But first, just remember that those other guys only want to raise your taxes, but I won’t. A big thank you to those who helped make improvements to Bridges on US 101 and participating in The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. And unlike the other guys, I won’t ship your jobs overseas! This week, we have Mr. Bipartisan Wayne Morse who went from being a Republican to an Independent and finally to a Democrat. Then, let’s see if we can finish up creating articles for members of the Oregon House before their January inauguration. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I’m Aboutmovies, and I approve this message. Paid for the committee to elect Aboutmovies. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:British Columbia Coast

Can you please check the comment on this page, Talk:British Columbia Coast. IMHO, a whole section should be re-written or put into wikiquotes. I noticed you had done some revisions and corrections on the article page. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 21:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but my only contribution is to have followed a vandal around once, undoing everything they did. I agree the article is a mess and needs serious work, but that would be difficult for me as I don't know much about BC, other than a few visits to Vancouver, Whistler, and a bicycling expedition to Abbotsford for the air show once. —EncMstr (talk) 21:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Section order

Of Oregon lights, thanks for your opinions and modifications. --Cuaxdon (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Fort Rock elevation

Thanks for responding to my error on the Fort Rock page. I edited the page again and left the following comment on the discussion page:

Thanks for catching my edit error. I changed the citation back to the NGS datasheet and I think I did the cut and paste right this time. NGS is really a better source than GNIS I think. Remember that the elevation given by NGS is NAVD 88. You can also find the NGVD 29 elevation on the sheet. GNIS elevations are not all that accurate but their coordinates are fairly accurate in my experience although NGS seems to be more accurate. For more talk about the datum issue read the Summit elevations discussion on the project discussion page. I don't know if this link will work once the discussion page gets archived. Also take a look at the Where do the elevation figures come from? section at the GNIS FAQ page. Most online sources use the NGVD 29 elevations that are found on USGS topo maps. They have not been updated in a long time. Thanks.

I've started to put the template {{navd88}} next to elevations that use the newer datum. I think this will help clarify the issue. As you can tell if you read the comment on the Project discussion page there are different opinions about which datum to use. If there is no bench mark at the summit I often use the NGVD 29 elevation (many summits do not have a benchmark and so have no NGS datasheet). If you are interested in sources let me know.

Also I've noticed that you have been adding data about the coordinate source in the {{coord}} template. I'm interested in learning more about this. I saw a note on some page I was reading but I could not find information about the format to be used. It would be great if you have a page name. Thanks again. --DRoll (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, NGS is likely more accurate, but I haven't learned how to look up features in it. Since I'm usually adding coordinates based on GNIS, it's just as easy to grab the elevation value, and give it the same source. "Verifiability, not truth, is the aim of Wikipedia"—or something like that.

To give a coordinate source, add a geotype parameter source:gnis-xxxxxxx where xxxxxxx is the GNIS feature id. See user:EncMstr/Coord for an introductory, but in-depth explanation. The full explanation, geeky and dense, is at WP:GEO. —EncMstr (talk) 01:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The easiest way I have found is to use Geocaching Benchmark Search page.

• Lookup the location using GNIS
• On the Geocaching page select the By Coordinates fuction and then select the Decimal Degrees option.
• Copy a coordinate from the GNIS page and paste into the the Geocaching page.
• Click Find Benchmark

You'll then get a page that shows the nearest benchmark to the your coordinates. If there is a benchmark the first entry will be at a distance of zero. If not forget it. An alternative is to try Peakbagger or Summitpost for locations in the US. I like Peakbagger better because it is less commercial. For locations in Oregon try Oregon GIS. Mount Hood is listed under "H". These list NGVD 29 elevations.

I use the {{cite NGS}} template for NGS citations and {{cite gnis}} for GNIS. Truth be told I wrote the first and cleaned up the second. You should also know that I'm really compulsive and check Oregon and Nevada mountain pages every once in a while. I'm retired and so I have lots of time to get in trouble doing silly things on Wikipedia.

Thanks for the stuff about the {{coord}} template. Good luck and happy editing. --DRoll (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Image revert of November 14, 2008 of MayorEdPawlowski.jpg

Regarding [1], the image to which the already infringing image was reverted is itself a copyrighted image. The website from which it was downloaded [2], is "Copyright 2007-2008 by City of Allentown" and the website's terms of use state "All contents of the AllentownPA.GOV Web Site are: Copyright 2007-2008 by City of Allentown and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved." and "Any rights not expressly granted herein are reserved." The uploader, Russojar, has had some difficulty understanding the issues surrounding the copy & pasting and/or uploading of downloaded material(s) from copyrighted websites. Alphageekpa (talk) 00:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've deleted it accordingly. —EncMstr (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The Well (Church)

I was just trying to remove the {{db-spam}} tag from this article and found that you had deleted and salted it. Could you please take another look? I could see very little, if any, promotional content, but simply a neutral presentation of information. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It was created before (and deleted) in May 2008 by Tgraham83. At that time, it was quite promotional. The version created about a week ago is better, but failed to provide notability, sources, and doesn't meet WP:CORP. —EncMstr (talk) 18:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

But that's not a speedy deletion criterion. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:CSD#A7 is cause enough, though I agree there could be reason to suspect there is notability. Are you going to expand it? —EncMstr (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm not going to expand it, because I know nothing about it, but the original author, or other editors who know about the subject, should get a chance to work on it rather than have it speedily deleted before they can do so. Will you restore it or shall I go to DRV? Phil Bridger (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The original authors appear unlikely to be able to fix the article: one is a new account with evident WP:COI and no other experience; another has a single edit which helped the article a little; a third is like the second except he has 3 deleted edits out of a grand total of 7. I am willing to restore it to someone's user space, if only it were clear who is most able and willing to help it. —EncMstr (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, then, DRV it is. This was clearly deleted outside of the speedy deletion criteria. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Please let me know where it's listed. Thanks. —EncMstr (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for The Well (Church)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Well (Church). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I will be happy to rewrite the article -- I have no connection to the subject, but I found enough stuff online to create a decent stub. Feel free to put the text in my User Space -- this is no problem for me. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Harvest Time @ COTW

Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another edition of the fabled COTW. Thank you to all who helped make improvements to Wayne Morse and creating some members of the Oregon House. This week, we have by request Upper Klamath Lake which think made the news lately with a salmon plan. Then, in honor of the end of the harvest time, we will go farming with Fort Stevens. There is a beautiful link farm in the article that is ripe for harvesting into citations. It should provide for a bountiful feast, or alternatively you can take your hoe to it and weed some out. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. WARNING: COTW is not approved for children under 3 and may contain choking hazards for small children. DO NOT leave your child unattended with COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Coos Bay

thanks for the correction, i found the Coos Bay city site after and realized my mistake! Beginner's enthusiasm got the best of me ; ) Coosbay (talk) 10:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)