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"Miss Pooja" Article

Nancy,

I am a fan of hers (Miss Pooja) and would like to restore the article contents. Her popularity in India, US, Canada and UK has skyrocketed since the article deletion was discussed about seven months ago (May 2008).

I think restoring it to the main Wiki may be a difficult hurdle to climb, given that she is only primarily covered in ethnic TV/Radio Stations and Newspapers, that are unlikely to be as well known as, say, CNN or New York Times.....

However, it may be easier to do so in one of the less onerous Wiki sites, like WikiPopuli. I am trying to do that here.

Please see if you can temporarily release the deleted article contents for Miss Pooja, at least to me privately.

Regards,

Punjabi music lover (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Userfied and notified. Nancy talk 13:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Nancy. I got it and WikiPopuli Miss Pooja Page is up and running Punjabi music lover (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fly fm - Nottingham Trent University

I have improved the above article which has been put forward for deletion. I hope it now passes noteworthy tests. Thanks. News37 (talk) 19:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The deletion discussion is located here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fly fm - Nottingham Trent University. Please do make your feelings known over there and explain why the article should be kept - you might want to look at our general notability guidelines before commenting so that you know where the bar is set. Cheers & all the best for 2009, Nancy talk 20:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Nancy Blackett (character)

Updated DYK query On 3 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nancy Blackett (character), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

- Dravecky (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Dear "Nancy",

I was looking for information on people who, after the second world ar / Holocaust came back to their original hometown. Specifically, is there any information on the few hundred people who came back to Vienna, Austria, after half a million of Vienna's Jews were sent to the concentration camps. I have some knowledge and would be willing to research about the lives of the survivors. I do not know if that would be more appropriate as a novel or what the guidelines would be to be included in the Wikipedia as one or several accounts. Steiner71 (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied and welcomed Nancy talk 09:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hello again

I understand about that {{}} thing that u don't want me to use that's y i didn't place it again. Well,That's not what i meant... i meant was, who removed the jennlyn mercado pic as my image... I already found out it was not you... thanks... I was formerly user:rajalberini. thanks... oh yeah, I made a copy of my favorite singers page, well, i was the one who beautified her page and I am the one who made many edits on her page.... --EmilinAlbs (talk) 03:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The way to find out is too look in the page history of your user page - you can access this by clicking on the history tab at the top of the page you are interested in. If you do this you will see who removed it (Starczamora) , the date and time they did it (09:14 29 December 2009) and also the reason they did it (rmv jenniylyn photo; it is not the image of the user) - this last bit is why it is really important to always leave an edit summary when you make changes. Hope this helps, kind regards, Nancy talk 09:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for da help--EmilinAlbs (talk) 03:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a coincidence, as you probably gathered. Perhaps I'll include more on the Collingwoods in Arthur Ransome in due course. --Old Moonraker (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...and not a trespass, the more editors the merrier, just as Nancy would have liked it! Nancy talk 14:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Nancy, gurl, I am Richard Wirkkunen and I am a Indie Label rapper and I had heard about me having a page on wikipedia, and i think it is not fair to give rappers liek UGK and Royce Da 5'9" who are only under ground artists or Ill Bill pages but not a white canadian rapper who sells local albums and has probably done more with his life in one year then you did in 30. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.26.215.233 (talk) 03:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Wirkkunen again, and on top of that I have been featured on the radio, and have recieved coverage in canadian newspapers, i am an artist who deserved the online recongition that his fans were willing to give him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.26.215.233 (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ignoring the assumptions you have made about my age, gender and achievements my best advice would probably be for you to have a read of Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for musicians. Kind regards, Nancy talk 13:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Sports Development Foundation Scotland

Dear Nancy

I am the founder and one of the Trustees of the above charity can you please undelete the Wikipedia page for The Sports Development Foundation Scotland as it is well written and accurate. I have give permission for the logo to be diplayed by Wikipedia and givene permission for things to be lifted from our website.

I tried to contact you to tell you my position with SDFS and that the article was correct however being block I could not contact you.

As for the Also See subsection I tried to link the charity too. They were all in Scottish Sport and relevant to the charity's objectives and SDFS may well be able to help them. It was a form of marketing but also relevant to each of the Scottish sports organisation I tried to contact.

I was cutting and pasting the original article back in and have used this article in various bloggs because it was very relevant but the article first appeared on Wikipedia.

I would also say that the Wikipedia pages for giving copyright could be simplified so that I could have given copyright to Wikipedia in a more straightforward way. Such as a one click button to transfer rights. This would have been much easier to follow. I would also like to point out that I understand why the image would have to be deleted but I don't know why you would have to delete the full text page?

If you can't undelete the sports development foundation scotland page can I copy this article from another source and put it back on the wikipedia page. Finally, did you mean properely referenced when you said, "keeping contributions encyclopedic" if it is please let me know and any recommendations for reading and I will read it on wikipedia or else where for propere citations however there was very few changes on the Sports Development Foundation Scotland page?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours truly

David Ballantine David Ballantine (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied Nancy talk 09:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nancy,
As the writer of the article and the person that transferred it from the Wikipedia page to the Blogg page I give permission and the copyright for wikipedia to use the content on it's page for the Sports Development Foundation Scotland.
David —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Ballantine (talkcontribs) 11:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
David, I have asked George for some clarification re exactly what has already been released via the OTRS system. I think he's in a significantly different timezone to us so it might be a while before he gets back to me. To be honest though I really do think that your best course of action would be to just write a new article as what I fear will happen is that you will go through monsterous hassle releasing the text only to find that all or most of it deleted as being promotional. My very best advice to you would be to use an article on a similar organsation as a template - Sport England would be the obvious candidate - and write some similarly pitched original text about SDFS without relying on cut and paste from BlogCatalogue or any other source. Kind regards, Nancy talk 13:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply and I appreciate what you have written. I don't want to write new paragraphs because the ones I wrote were fine. I am not getting this at all so please bare with me. I have give permission for the image to be used. The article on the Blogg came from Wikipedia and was originally published on this website. What I was looking for you to do was undelete the original article with the image. I would prefer it to be on Wikipedia than on a Blogg. Surely if it appeared on Wikipedia first then you would have copyright even if it had been deleted. Anyway I wrote it and I have not authorized any transfer of copyright so I should own the copyright and I want the article on Wikipedia. I will give George authorisation and if you require me to delete the Blogg to reinstate it on Wikipefia then I certainty will. David Ballantine (talk) 15:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[outdent]David, I have tried in the nicest possible way to tell you that the majority of the text you are so set on using is not suitable as an encyclopaedia article. Copyvio or no, anything that builds up to soliciting money and indeed actually explicitly requests donations going so far as to give the bank details is not going to last five minutes. If all the time an effort you have expended trying to get the copyvio undeleted had instead been spent pulling together a new article it would all be done and dusted by now. I repeat my previous advice: base an article on Sport England.

I'm also not sure whether you have been following the conversation on George's talk if not you might consider hopping over there as my question has been answered and it has been confirmed that as far as Wikipedia is concerned the text is still not released to GFDL. You'll also notice that your conflict of interest has been raised as a concern; personally I think that it is manageable, although Wikipedia does generally discourage people from editing on subjects they are personally connected with as we recognise that this does make it hard to remain neutral. The general rule of thumb is that if a topic is notable enough for inclusion then likely an uninvolved editor will be along soon enough to create an article about it.

On the question of the image. I presume from looking at your talk page that you are referring to the (separately deleted) logo. This is entirely separate from the article and from reading what George says I understand that you have released it under GFDL. I would first ask you to think again very carefully about the implications of this as usually logos remain copyrighted and are used under a strict fair-use rationale. It is rarer than hens teeth that any organisation would relinquish their rights to their own logo/identity and release it for others to do with what they wish - are you confident for example that your board properly understand what this means and are entirely comfortable with it? However, if this really is the case then all you need to do is upload it (by clicking "Upload file" on the menu on the left) making sure that you attribute the correct licensing and source information - the upload page will walk you through this.

Finally on a housekeeping note could I ask that you not start a new thread every time you post here on this subject. You'll see that I have been moving your posts up under the one heading to keep the conversation together. Cheers, Nancy talk 16:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice David Ballantine (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring Miss Pooja Article or Stub

Nancy,

I believe you are the most recent active admin for the Miss Pooja, a well known Punjabi singer, article. This article was deleted/protected after a quick AfD discussion in May, 2008. I would like to restore it. Please suggest some reasonable steps that, if followed, could convince a reasonable admin to add a simple stub, if not the whole article.

Here are a few quick facts:

  1. Google search on "Miss Pooja songs" shows about 2,000 hits
  2. YouTube search on "Miss Pooja songs" shows over 1,200 video hits
  3. She has recorded and released over 124 albums, listed here. Pretty much all of these can be easily be downloaded or listened to (mostly free) from the Internet. This is very easily verifiable.
  4. She has been interviewed with a few TV stations, like BBC/Asianetwork that can be easily referred. A quick YouTube search shows over 30 Miss Pooja Interview videos

I have created a full Miss Pooja article on WikiPopuli. While, that whole article may or may not meet the strictest of the Wiki criteria, however, a short stub that includes above "facts" and a quick link to WikiPopuli page can, IMHO, be easily constructed to satisfy the "err-on-the-side-of-inclusion" Wiki criteria.

Please see if you can express some preliminary thoughts related to the feasibility of the above.

Punjabi music lover (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I have unprotected Miss Pooja so that it is available for recreation. However... this does not mean that any article placed there will escape deletion and you have some work to do to provide reliable sources for the claims made. Note that YouTube in itself is not a reliable source and that e.g. BBC interviews posted there cannot be linked to as they are in themselves copyright violations. You are right when you say that the Wikipopuli article does not meet Wikipedia criteria so I would advise that you don't use it as the basis for your stub & please don't say things like "refer to Wikipopuli for more up to date information" in the article either. Good luck, kind regards, Nancy talk 10:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for doing this. I tried to create a Miss Pooja stub, with a copy in my sandbox. It seems that the admin User:Fvw still has this page on some sort of "auto delete". I left a message for discussion here.
No problem. As I said above there was no guarantee that the article would escape deletion unless you followed the advice that I gave you - which unfortunately you didn't, why not?? - so I'm not entirely surprised that it got removed. Since you Have posted the same copy again I have tried to sort it out for you. I have removed all the gossipy comment and unreliable sources, found some better references and formatted/linked it all correctly. As it now addresses the reasons for which it was deleted in May 2008 it is probably safe from deletion on that criteria, however because of the difficulty in supplying English language reliable sources there is still a possibility/probability that someone will take it to articles for deletion for a fresh discussion of the issues. Kind regards, Nancy talk 09:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Mark Stafford deletion 12/26/08

Hello UserName Nancy.

I believe you were the user to mark "Daniel Mark Stafford" page for deletion. I understand it's marked for protection and it's been attempted to be create as a small article for American Actor "Daniel Mark Stafford" a few times. It's been marked "speedy deletion" a few times as well. I have references to support his notability and I was wondering if you could help me out to create one for him and unprotect his name?

Thank you,

Sprintsega —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprintsega (talkcontribs) 10:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I can't see in the logs that I was involved in the deletion although I did protect the page from creation after the bio had been posted for the umpteenth time. No matter. I have just done my own quick research in to DMS's notability and I'm afraid I can't seem to find any evidence that he has done anything other than appear as an extra in a few minor films (and even that information was from sources which Wikipedia would not consider reliable - IMDB, MySpace etc). At this point I don't see a justification for unprotecting the page however as you say you have references to support his notability how about you put a page together in your user space - e.g. at User:Sprintsega/Sandbox - and when your are done I can have a look at it and see if it meets the requirements laid out at WP:ENTERTAINER. Kind regards, Nancy talk 11:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Nancy I have submitted a new article to replace the deleted page. Please advise if I am doing it right. Thanks Vicki —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vickin70 (talkcontribs) 11:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Yup, all too easy to get sucked back in.  :) I worked ridiculously hard to get the tools in the first place. After seeing the upswing in vandalism, especially organized and serial vandalism, I thought that it was just about time to roll up the sleeves once more.

Thank you so much for your help in protecting my pages when I needed that most. You're a gem. Regards, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year

Hi Nancy , Happy New Year 2009118.94.59.184 (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of Edit Warring

Hello. Please be advised that I have raised muy point countless times on the talk page dealing with the entry, but it has just been ignored. All I ask is for equal space be given to my refutation on unprovable allegations made against me. As all my suggestions on the talk page have been ignored, what alternative do I have but to edit the article accordingly? Please be so kind as to advise. Arthur Kemp (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]