User talk:Nancy/Archive 11

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Regarding [1], Toolserver's db server (yarrow) is down at this time, so, the bot probably isn't going to notice right now. SQLQuery me! 11:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, it was worth a try! Looks like Tangobot needed the full transclusion, would yours have been OK without? Tangobot not happy with the New Year mind you.... Nancy talk 11:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


are you the one who undid my userpage??? if i were you, you just deleted the part you want to delete... not undoing it because i did a major edit on my page and there is another user who vandalized my page named Starczamora thanks... i hope its not you... rajalberini talk —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC).

Replied Nancy talk 16:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Purley on Thames page

Hi I am a resident of Purley on Thames and wanted to see if we had a page on Wikipedia. I searched for it and found that the writer had put hyphens in the name. I created an account and changed this error. You then changed it back. Why? I have lived here most of my life and know that there are no hyphens in the name. Yours sincerely, Andrew Coombes AKA Sooyoo4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sooyoo4 (talkcontribs) 10:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Sooyoo4. I have no axe to grind over the hyphenation however the article has been called Purley-on-Thames since it was created in 2004 and the text within should not contradict the title. If you think that there is a case for re-naming the article then you should propose it on the talk page so that a discussion can take place and a consensus reached as to whether the move is appropriate. If you do start a discussion I would sugegst that you start with a better argument than "I live here, I know" (I'm paraphrasing obviously) as in the context of Wikipedia where verifiability is paramount that will not hold any water so you will need to reference reliable third-party published sources to show that the unhyphenated version is correct. You should also check whether the manual of style has anything to say on the matter - I've done a quick flick through other compound -on-Thames place names and they all appear hyphenated e.g. Henley-on-Thames, Appleford-on-Thames, Sunbury-on-Thames, Walton-on-Thames so it's looking like hyphens are the accepted naming convention. All the best for 2009. Nancy talk 12:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fly fm - Nottingham Trent University

I have improved the above article which has been put forward for deletion. I hope it now passes noteworthy tests. Thanks. News37 (talk) 19:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is located here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fly fm - Nottingham Trent University. Please do make your feelings known over there and explain why the article should be kept - you might want to look at our general notability guidelines before commenting so that you know where the bar is set. Cheers & all the best for 2009, Nancy talk 20:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nancy Blackett (character)

Updated DYK query On 3 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nancy Blackett (character), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

- Dravecky (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


Dear "Nancy",

I was looking for information on people who, after the second world ar / Holocaust came back to their original hometown. Specifically, is there any information on the few hundred people who came back to Vienna, Austria, after half a million of Vienna's Jews were sent to the concentration camps. I have some knowledge and would be willing to research about the lives of the survivors. I do not know if that would be more appropriate as a novel or what the guidelines would be to be included in the Wikipedia as one or several accounts. Steiner71 (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Replied and welcomed Nancy talk 09:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

My trespass on Nancy Blackett (character)

Not a coincidence, as you probably gathered. Perhaps I'll include more on the Collingwoods in Arthur Ransome in due course. --Old Moonraker (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

...and not a trespass, the more editors the merrier, just as Nancy would have liked it! Nancy talk 14:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

"Miss Pooja" Article


I am a fan of hers (Miss Pooja) and would like to restore the article contents. Her popularity in India, US, Canada and UK has skyrocketed since the article deletion was discussed about seven months ago (May 2008).

I think restoring it to the main Wiki may be a difficult hurdle to climb, given that she is only primarily covered in ethnic TV/Radio Stations and Newspapers, that are unlikely to be as well known as, say, CNN or New York Times.....

However, it may be easier to do so in one of the less onerous Wiki sites, like WikiPopuli. I am trying to do that here.

Please see if you can temporarily release the deleted article contents for Miss Pooja, at least to me privately.


Punjabi music lover (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Userfied and notified. Nancy talk 13:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Nancy. I got it and WikiPopuli Miss Pooja Page is up and running Punjabi music lover (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

hello again

I understand about that {{}} thing that u don't want me to use that's y i didn't place it again. Well,That's not what i meant... i meant was, who removed the jennlyn mercado pic as my image... I already found out it was not you... thanks... I was formerly user:rajalberini. thanks... oh yeah, I made a copy of my favorite singers page, well, i was the one who beautified her page and I am the one who made many edits on her page.... --EmilinAlbs (talk) 03:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

The way to find out is too look in the page history of your user page - you can access this by clicking on the history tab at the top of the page you are interested in. If you do this you will see who removed it (Starczamora) , the date and time they did it (09:14 29 December 2009) and also the reason they did it (rmv jenniylyn photo; it is not the image of the user) - this last bit is why it is really important to always leave an edit summary when you make changes. Hope this helps, kind regards, Nancy talk 09:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for da help--EmilinAlbs (talk) 03:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard Wirkkunen

Yo Nancy, gurl, I am Richard Wirkkunen and I am a Indie Label rapper and I had heard about me having a page on wikipedia, and i think it is not fair to give rappers liek UGK and Royce Da 5'9" who are only under ground artists or Ill Bill pages but not a white canadian rapper who sells local albums and has probably done more with his life in one year then you did in 30. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Wirkkunen again, and on top of that I have been featured on the radio, and have recieved coverage in canadian newspapers, i am an artist who deserved the online recongition that his fans were willing to give him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Ignoring the assumptions you have made about my age, gender and achievements my best advice would probably be for you to have a read of Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for musicians. Kind regards, Nancy talk 13:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The Sports Development Foundation Scotland

Dear Nancy

I am the founder and one of the Trustees of the above charity can you please undelete the Wikipedia page for The Sports Development Foundation Scotland as it is well written and accurate. I have give permission for the logo to be diplayed by Wikipedia and givene permission for things to be lifted from our website.

I tried to contact you to tell you my position with SDFS and that the article was correct however being block I could not contact you.

As for the Also See subsection I tried to link the charity too. They were all in Scottish Sport and relevant to the charity's objectives and SDFS may well be able to help them. It was a form of marketing but also relevant to each of the Scottish sports organisation I tried to contact.

I was cutting and pasting the original article back in and have used this article in various bloggs because it was very relevant but the article first appeared on Wikipedia.

I would also say that the Wikipedia pages for giving copyright could be simplified so that I could have given copyright to Wikipedia in a more straightforward way. Such as a one click button to transfer rights. This would have been much easier to follow. I would also like to point out that I understand why the image would have to be deleted but I don't know why you would have to delete the full text page?

If you can't undelete the sports development foundation scotland page can I copy this article from another source and put it back on the wikipedia page. Finally, did you mean properely referenced when you said, "keeping contributions encyclopedic" if it is please let me know and any recommendations for reading and I will read it on wikipedia or else where for propere citations however there was very few changes on the Sports Development Foundation Scotland page?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours truly

David Ballantine David Ballantine (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Replied Nancy talk 09:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nancy,
As the writer of the article and the person that transferred it from the Wikipedia page to the Blogg page I give permission and the copyright for wikipedia to use the content on it's page for the Sports Development Foundation Scotland.
David —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Ballantine (talkcontribs) 11:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
David, I have asked George for some clarification re exactly what has already been released via the OTRS system. I think he's in a significantly different timezone to us so it might be a while before he gets back to me. To be honest though I really do think that your best course of action would be to just write a new article as what I fear will happen is that you will go through monsterous hassle releasing the text only to find that all or most of it deleted as being promotional. My very best advice to you would be to use an article on a similar organsation as a template - Sport England would be the obvious candidate - and write some similarly pitched original text about SDFS without relying on cut and paste from BlogCatalogue or any other source. Kind regards, Nancy talk 13:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply and I appreciate what you have written. I don't want to write new paragraphs because the ones I wrote were fine. I am not getting this at all so please bare with me. I have give permission for the image to be used. The article on the Blogg came from Wikipedia and was originally published on this website. What I was looking for you to do was undelete the original article with the image. I would prefer it to be on Wikipedia than on a Blogg. Surely if it appeared on Wikipedia first then you would have copyright even if it had been deleted. Anyway I wrote it and I have not authorized any transfer of copyright so I should own the copyright and I want the article on Wikipedia. I will give George authorisation and if you require me to delete the Blogg to reinstate it on Wikipefia then I certainty will. David Ballantine (talk) 15:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

[outdent]David, I have tried in the nicest possible way to tell you that the majority of the text you are so set on using is not suitable as an encyclopaedia article. Copyvio or no, anything that builds up to soliciting money and indeed actually explicitly requests donations going so far as to give the bank details is not going to last five minutes. If all the time an effort you have expended trying to get the copyvio undeleted had instead been spent pulling together a new article it would all be done and dusted by now. I repeat my previous advice: base an article on Sport England.

I'm also not sure whether you have been following the conversation on George's talk if not you might consider hopping over there as my question has been answered and it has been confirmed that as far as Wikipedia is concerned the text is still not released to GFDL. You'll also notice that your conflict of interest has been raised as a concern; personally I think that it is manageable, although Wikipedia does generally discourage people from editing on subjects they are personally connected with as we recognise that this does make it hard to remain neutral. The general rule of thumb is that if a topic is notable enough for inclusion then likely an uninvolved editor will be along soon enough to create an article about it.

On the question of the image. I presume from looking at your talk page that you are referring to the (separately deleted) logo. This is entirely separate from the article and from reading what George says I understand that you have released it under GFDL. I would first ask you to think again very carefully about the implications of this as usually logos remain copyrighted and are used under a strict fair-use rationale. It is rarer than hens teeth that any organisation would relinquish their rights to their own logo/identity and release it for others to do with what they wish - are you confident for example that your board properly understand what this means and are entirely comfortable with it? However, if this really is the case then all you need to do is upload it (by clicking "Upload file" on the menu on the left) making sure that you attribute the correct licensing and source information - the upload page will walk you through this.

Finally on a housekeeping note could I ask that you not start a new thread every time you post here on this subject. You'll see that I have been moving your posts up under the one heading to keep the conversation together. Cheers, Nancy talk 16:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice David Ballantine (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Mark Stafford deletion 12/26/08

Hello UserName Nancy.

I believe you were the user to mark "Daniel Mark Stafford" page for deletion. I understand it's marked for protection and it's been attempted to be create as a small article for American Actor "Daniel Mark Stafford" a few times. It's been marked "speedy deletion" a few times as well. I have references to support his notability and I was wondering if you could help me out to create one for him and unprotect his name?

Thank you,

Sprintsega —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprintsega (talkcontribs) 10:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I can't see in the logs that I was involved in the deletion although I did protect the page from creation after the bio had been posted for the umpteenth time. No matter. I have just done my own quick research in to DMS's notability and I'm afraid I can't seem to find any evidence that he has done anything other than appear as an extra in a few minor films (and even that information was from sources which Wikipedia would not consider reliable - IMDB, MySpace etc). At this point I don't see a justification for unprotecting the page however as you say you have references to support his notability how about you put a page together in your user space - e.g. at User:Sprintsega/Sandbox - and when your are done I can have a look at it and see if it meets the requirements laid out at WP:ENTERTAINER. Kind regards, Nancy talk 11:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


Yup, all too easy to get sucked back in.  :) I worked ridiculously hard to get the tools in the first place. After seeing the upswing in vandalism, especially organized and serial vandalism, I thought that it was just about time to roll up the sleeves once more.

Thank you so much for your help in protecting my pages when I needed that most. You're a gem. Regards, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hi Nancy , Happy New Year 2009118.94.59.184 (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Restoring Miss Pooja Article or Stub


I believe you are the most recent active admin for the Miss Pooja, a well known Punjabi singer, article. This article was deleted/protected after a quick AfD discussion in May, 2008. I would like to restore it. Please suggest some reasonable steps that, if followed, could convince a reasonable admin to add a simple stub, if not the whole article.

Here are a few quick facts:

  1. Google search on "Miss Pooja songs" shows about 2,000 hits
  2. YouTube search on "Miss Pooja songs" shows over 1,200 video hits
  3. She has recorded and released over 124 albums, listed here. Pretty much all of these can be easily be downloaded or listened to (mostly free) from the Internet. This is very easily verifiable.
  4. She has been interviewed with a few TV stations, like BBC/Asianetwork that can be easily referred. A quick YouTube search shows over 30 Miss Pooja Interview videos

I have created a full Miss Pooja article on WikiPopuli. While, that whole article may or may not meet the strictest of the Wiki criteria, however, a short stub that includes above "facts" and a quick link to WikiPopuli page can, IMHO, be easily constructed to satisfy the "err-on-the-side-of-inclusion" Wiki criteria.

Please see if you can express some preliminary thoughts related to the feasibility of the above.

Punjabi music lover (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I have unprotected Miss Pooja so that it is available for recreation. However... this does not mean that any article placed there will escape deletion and you have some work to do to provide reliable sources for the claims made. Note that YouTube in itself is not a reliable source and that e.g. BBC interviews posted there cannot be linked to as they are in themselves copyright violations. You are right when you say that the Wikipopuli article does not meet Wikipedia criteria so I would advise that you don't use it as the basis for your stub & please don't say things like "refer to Wikipopuli for more up to date information" in the article either. Good luck, kind regards, Nancy talk 10:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for doing this. I tried to create a Miss Pooja stub, with a copy in my sandbox. It seems that the admin User:Fvw still has this page on some sort of "auto delete". I left a message for discussion here.
No problem. As I said above there was no guarantee that the article would escape deletion unless you followed the advice that I gave you - which unfortunately you didn't, why not?? - so I'm not entirely surprised that it got removed. Since you Have posted the same copy again I have tried to sort it out for you. I have removed all the gossipy comment and unreliable sources, found some better references and formatted/linked it all correctly. As it now addresses the reasons for which it was deleted in May 2008 it is probably safe from deletion on that criteria, however because of the difficulty in supplying English language reliable sources there is still a possibility/probability that someone will take it to articles for deletion for a fresh discussion of the issues. Kind regards, Nancy talk 09:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, much - again. It seems that you spent some non-trivial time to Wikifi it. Regarding following your advice - I did try..... Hopefully, a more resourceful editor may expand it further. Punjabi music lover (talk) 22:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

CSDer of the Week

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Nancy has been identified as an Excellent CSD'er,
and therefore, I've officially declare you as Balloonman's
CSD'er of the Week Ending January 12, 2009!

As those who know me can attest, I hate speedy deleters.
A careless or hasty CSD'er can do more damage to the project than the worst vandal!
BUT I recognize the absolute need for CSD and value those people who take the task seriously and do the job right

As for what I look for when awarding this, please see for my criteria Thanks for being a beacon of light at CSD, we need more people like you!
Balloonman PoppaBalloon

A record of your week will always be kept here and a short review of your deletion work here.

Nancy make sure that you take a look at my review of your work via the link above.---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 05:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Clitnovici


I noticed u replied to my message re: Daniel Clitnovici

I have sent an email to the place where u told me too. I havent yet recieved a response. I would like to get this page removed off your website as i am having some serious personal problems. I will provide anything necessary to prove that i am Daniel Constantin Clitnovici and that i need that page removed off your web page.

Can u please help me? I dont know what else to do.... I can contact you, or whoever i need to contact in order to remove that page. Please, i ask you kindly for your assistance in resolving my problem.


-Daniel Clitnovici —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Daniel. The article has been now deleted per the OTRS ticket you submitted so all's well now. Kind regards, Nancy talk 21:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear Nancy,
Thank you very much. I appreciate it alot.
IF you still need any further evidence or proof as to who i am. Please dont hesitate to contact me.
<personal information removed>
Thank you very much.
-Daniel Clitnovici —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Article on Miss Pooja

Refer to our previous discussion on same topic. Thanks for supporting this page. Being a fan of Miss Pooja, i really want to see her here. Quality check 18:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Nice save, Nancy.  :) I remember the fun when this subject first appeared. Oy vey. Again, great save. Best, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 19:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
What's really worrying is that I found that I actually really gave a damn. But even as I type it is being edited back to a G4 state. Why do we bother, really? LOL. Nancy talk 20:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

User Box

Nancy as a past winner of the "CSD'er of the week" I wanted to let you know that there is now a user box that you can add to your user page: {{User:Balloonman/CSD award/userbox}}. This box was adapted from Rlevse's user box for Awesome Wikipedian of the Day by Faithlessthewonderboy ---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 14:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Geoffrey Bell

Hi, I was conversing with User:Geoffrey Bell (Presenter) in OTRS and he assures me that he will play by the rules, so I have unblocked him. I told him to scrutinize WP:BIO but I would still bet he tries to re-create his article. Regards, howcheng {chat} 18:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Hopefully he's learned his lesson both re. the bio and re. being silly with socks. Cheers, Nancy talk 18:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

BMJ Masterclasses

Dear Nancy I have submitted a new article to replace the deleted page. Please advise if I am doing it right. Thanks Vicki —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vickin70 (talkcontribs) 11:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear Nancy I am not sure how to retrieve the new message you left me. Please help. Thanks

Dear Nancy I would be most grateful if you could look at my second article and help me edit it to an acceptable standard. The second article is based on facts but was deleted by an apparent conflict of interest. Your time will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Vicki —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Vicki, sorry for the delay in replying. I think that the problem with the article is that in Wikipeida terms the masterclasses are just not notable. Only if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, is it presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. I have looked for such coverage on the master-classes and I just can't find any. If anything they merit no more than a nod on the BMJ Group page - which I see they have. Sorry if this is disappointing for you but in all conscience I couldn't encourage you to spend time reworking an article knowing that its survival chances were slim to zero. Kind regards, Nancy talk 08:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


can you delete this page that i created? It's not very important and many are vandalizing it... thank you... here is the page Iloilo National High School thank you... --EmilinAlbs (talk) 10:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. I'm not sure that I agree with your characterisation of the other edits as vandalism but you were the only contributor of any substantive content so I have deleted it for you. Kind regards, Nancy talk 10:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. there were 2 users and 2 Ip adresses that vandalized it who reverts the best to the worst....

--EmilinAlbs (talk) 08:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kanonkas

Thank you Nancy for voting in my successfully closed RfA! I'm glad that you trust me. Ping me if you need anything! Also, nice signature! Best regards, --Kanonkas :  Talk  18:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

It was a pleasure & likewise please don't hesitate to ask if you need any help or advice (I'm sure you'll do just great). Kind regards, Nancy talk 10:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The Sports Development Foundation Scotland

Nancy, I have re-wrote the above article can you give me any pointer for future articles. You have been a great help and it maybe useful to me. David Ballantine (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

David, I guess the best advice would be to make sure you follow the five pillars. I'd also recommend tht the subject of your next article shoudl be something you are not quite so involved with - blieve me you will find it so much easier. Best of luck, Nancy talk 10:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Slavery abolition efforts by Les Amis des Noirs

Hi. I'm a member of WikiProject France and I started to work on some articles that need to be Wikified, proofread, and things like that. I just started working on Slavery abolition efforts by Les Amis des Noirs. I looked in the history to confirm that it was pretty much just written by one person and left as-is, and I saw all the work you put into the references section (as well as the other changes you made when it was first made). I just wanted to tell you that I admired the work that you did. Great work! FaerieInGrey (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Why thank you - I think that was one of the very first articles I tried to "rescue". Cheers, Nancy talk 10:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Love Must Be Tough

Hi Nancy,

I am writing to try to resolve the problems which caused Love Must Be Tough to be deleted. This article is for Love Must Be Tough an album by Eleanor McEvoy. I created this article at the request of Eleanor McEvoy, who wrote, published and owns this album. Also, all material included in this article was given to me by Ms. McEvoy.

I will be very glad to fix any parts of this article that do not meet the guidelines of Wikipedia.

Both Ms. McEvoy and I would really appreciate it if you could let us know how to fix the problems so that the article can go back up on Wikipedia.

Thanks for any help you can give me, Editthis2662 Editthis2662 (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC))

Hi Nancy, Sorry to bother you but I was wondering if I need to get in touch with you another way, as I haven't heard back from you yet. I am eager to get this matter clear up as quickly as possible and would appreciate your help. Thanks so much. Editthis2662 (talk) 13:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Editthis, I'm so sorry. I didn't scroll up the page enough this morning.
The article was deleted as a copyright infringement as it appeared to be a cut and paste of an album review. This raises not only copyright issues but also problems around neutrality and to some extent promotion. I note that you say you are working on behalf of Ms McEvoy. This is again problematic as we very much discourage people from writing about themselves, on behalf of someone else or on topics that they are close to - this is because we recognise that this makes it very difficult to maintain objectivity and the general rule of thumb is that if a subject is notable enough to warrant an article then likely someone independent will be along soon enough to create one. Looking at what you have said and doing a bit of research myself I wonder if the reason there was no Love Must Be Tough article is that it doesn;t meet the inclusion criteria for albums? My opinion would be that Ms McEvoy herself is probably notable in her own right but that perhsp the albums are not and that a mention in the main article is about right. Just my opinion. Hope this helps, Nancy talk 17:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nancy,

Thanks for you input. I'm not sure where I should go now. I have put the rest of the albums up for Ms. McEvoy and after ironing out some problems (such as making sure the tone is neutral) have gotten them in order. Are you suggesting I try again with a more neutral tone and with a description of the album in my own words? Eleanor McEvoy is actually very well know in Ireland and as well as many other parts of the world, and, in fact, Love Must Be Tough, recently was awarded album of the year by HiFi Plus, so it is an album of some note.

The purpose of the sites are not promotion, rather information, and I will do my best to make sure they are just that.

Thanks for any help you can give me. Editthis2662 (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nancy,

Since I did not hear back from you with new suggestions I thought I should write to let you know that I am going to try to write a new entry for Love Must Be Tough. I have taken careful note of your earlier suggestions and will implement them in the new versions. Also, I have managed to clear up all of the problems for Eleanor McEvoy's other six albums so I think I have a better idea about how to write an impartial article. You had also suggested that the album may not warrant a citation, but I hope I cleared that up by mentioning that it is an award winning album. Also Ms. McEvoy was just nominated today for a Meteor Award which, I hope, will add to the validity of entries about her most recent album.

Thanks for your help. Editthis2662 (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

RfA thankspam

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Denbot (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


I do not know what used to be on the BaCl page before it was deleted, but I have created a redirect to Barium chloride ~AQ 23:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. When I deleted it it was about an umremarkable band but I guess that BaCl could be a typo for BaCl2. Cheers, Nancy talk 10:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Derek Kok

Hi, I realised only just now that back in October you moved Derek Kwok to Derek Kok per WP:RM. I don't know who requested the move (It has already been moved to "Kwok" from "Kok" once), but the official last name should be "Kwok" with the same Hong Kong stars such as Kenix Kwok, Sonija Kwok or Florence Kwok. Is it possible to move it back? Thankyou very much. Dengero (talk) 02:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

An archive of the request is on the article's talk page - the discussion was closed as move and I was asked to carry out the change. If you think that this move should be reversed than the proper forum would be to go back to WP:RM. Kind regards, Nancy talk 10:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard Eckersley

Thanks very much. I am certain the editor who performed the copy-and-paste did it in good faith, so this is all water under the bridge now, but I have a feeling there would have been a GFDL-compliance issue here had this gone unchecked. Thanks again. – PeeJay 21:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


I have no clue what this means. The article was speedily deleted earlier today by User:Efe (I don't know how to link the deletion, but I can see it on my page). It was immediately recreated. Why would I have to file an AfD (though I did). You really ought to give better explanations in the future. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The tag you used was for articles that were recreated after a deletion discussion a speedy delete is not the same so I reckon that is what Nancy meant on refusing the speedy delete. BigDuncTalk 22:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Typical of the stupidity of Wikipedia, one admin deletes it, some person who thinks this person is notable recreates it, and now I have to nominate it through AfD. No wonder the encyclopedia is filled with crap articles. Sigh. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Could you not speedy again as non notable person I'm sure it will be deleted. BigDuncTalk 22:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I AfD'ed it. It should have been speedied the first time...oh wait, it was. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
If I had thought it was speediable I would have deleted it regardless (using the correct reason obviously). As it happened I did not feel that any CSD criteria applied, and certainly not A7 as it states he represented his country in fencing. It will probably fail an AFD but it was definitely not speedy fodder. With regard to the edit summary you initially complained about I'm not sure how more clearer I could have been - you nominated for speedy as an article which had previously been deleted as the result of a deletion discussion, I declined saying "Decline speedy - can't see evidence of a previous WP:AFD". Am I missing something here?? Kind regards, Nancy talk 23:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
You were correct, Nancy. I came across the article as well when going through CAT:CSD and I was about to decline it for the same reasons when I noticed that you already had. After all, G4 does not mean we have to repeat another admin's decision if we think it was a mistake... Regards SoWhy 13:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the problem is that it was incorrectly speedily deleted the first time. This a perfect example of the problem with people who don't know what A7 says. A7 does not require that the person is notable, it only requires that there is a claim to importance or significance and explicitly declares this is a lower threshold then Notability. Yes, the article will probably be deleted via AfD, BUT as a member of a National Fencing team, there is a distinct claim to notability. Who knows what he did on that team? Perhaps won a gold medal at the olympics? And heck, there is even the argument that he competed at the highest amateur level for his sport, thus meeting Wikipedia:Bio#Athletes. In short, your complaint shouldn't be with Nancy who properly declined the request, but rather the admin who deleted it originally. Also, G4 is only for articles that have gone through an XfD. The fact that another admin speedily deleted the article does not mean that it is eligible for G4. You might be interested in taking a look at Why I hate speedy deleters or BadlyDrawnJeff's essay Field guide to proper speedy deletion.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 17:04, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

IPv6Gate / User_Talk:

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#IPv6Gate and 'vote' for blocking both User_Talk: and User_Talk: permanently. See further text on the noticeboard. Jeroen (talk) 12:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Acharya S

Nancy --

You are listed on the administrators who will create copies of old pages. Can you give me a copy of the deleted Acharya S page (I don't know if that has access to history or not). I'd like to see what information can be salvaged, primarily descriptions of her books. Thanks in advance jbolden1517Talk 15:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Userfied and notified Nancy talk 15:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that and the really fast turnaround! After all that fire on the deletion page I figured there would be tons of information. I'll take your advice regarding GFDL issues. jbolden1517Talk 15:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi Nancy,

I just wanted to thank you for your comments regarding the deletion of the article on our company. I only wish that the other administrators had been as fair as you were. As I said to them and added to the discussion section I could fully understand the deletion of the article on grounds of notability but was most put out by the aggressive manner in which Esasus behaved when suggesting the article was an advertisement and some attempt to use wikipedia as a forum to promote our business. On the contrary I believed the information to be objective and factual. I thank you for recognising this at least and I accept the judgement that you came to. Hopefully if we become a little more notable I may suggest the article is reinstated at some time in the future.

Many thanks again, Ian

Mynameispritch (talk) 09:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

File:Dragon with text.GIF

Hi Nancy, Can you tell me what happened to the above file? Why was it deleted? Thanks--DFS454 (talk) 09:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't find that file in the deletion log - are you sure it is the correct name? When approximately was it deleted? Kind regards, Nancy talk 09:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Ahh, found it - it was deleted from commons - here's the log Nancy talk 09:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Would you say you agree with the deletion? If you can't see the image it said something like "For those who know the truth all shall be revealed. For those whose view is hidden do not hinder those whose vision is clear" --DFS454 (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not really not familiar enough with commons policies to know if that particular deletion was in-policy or not - my activity over there is limited to uploading a few ultra-dull photos of locks and bridges. Have you tried asking the person who deleted it? Nancy talk 15:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
No, but I suppose I will do that next. Thanks --DFS454 (talk) 16:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Halfway House

Halfway house was not just a party spot. It was a major hub on the East Coast for punk rock shows. The longest running DIY punk venue to date i believe. a myriad of notable punk bands have came through those doors. thank you for reading this. (talk) 06:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

If you are able to address the reasons for which it was deleted (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Halfway House (music venue)) then there is nothing to stop you creating a new properly sourced article showing the notability of this house. Nancy talk 08:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Canal du Mid locks

Hello. I notice you are working on articles on the Canal du Midi, and particularly its locks. I have known the Canal ever since taking a boating holiday there in about 1984. I have holidayed in the area every year since and now have a holiday home at Pezenas so I spend getting on for half the year down there - I was there having lunch by the canal at Colombiers only last week! If its of any use, I could take some photos for you to use in expanding the coverage next time I'm there. I also have somewhere (probably in France) the official guide to navigating on the Canal from 1984, so there is bound to be some useful, reliable and authorative information in there. Emeraude (talk) 17:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes please! Nancy talk 18:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
have already made a list of the locks that need pictures between Carcassonne and Thau Bassin! I'll be there for a week at end of this month but may be too busy then; otherwise will be there for three weeks at end of March. The Pound-Euro exchange rate doesn't help, but the Canal du Midi has been too expensive for us to repeat the experience for many years now. In 1984, four of us went from Capestang to Carcassonne and back, plus a trip through the Malpas Tunnel. Magnificent. It is delightful area, you're quite right about the bug biting. Emeraude (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Slash and burn on Mark Lindquist.

Nancy, I need some help understanding why so much content was removed from the entry I created for Mark A Lindquist, which is now Mark Lindquist (sculptor). Also, if you are intent on keeping the title of the article as such, please edit the page Mark Lindquist that describes the author Lindquist to Mark Lindquist ( Author ) If you are unwilling to make that change yourself if you would be kind enough to direct me to the page that describes how to edit a page name.

The content placed on the Mark Lindquist ( author ) page is informative and accurate. The information is not duplicated on Widipedia in any other location I am aware of. Please help me out in understanding your motives here.


Paul D Jaruszewski, DDS —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Nancy, I am revisiting my remarks about the page for Mark A Lindquist that was substantially edited by you. It appears that you are connected in some official capacity to Wikipedia and that fact prevents me from describing the changes as vandalism.

I am at a total loss about some of your edits. For example, I cited locations of permanent displays of the artist's work and you removed all but 4 of the locations. How did you decide what locations were important? What qualifies you to make that choice? Do you simply appreciate scant articles?

I apologize for not signing my prior post, the use of four tildes is unusual to my experience, but I will work on that.

Paul Jaruszewski, DDS

Paul Jaruszewski (talk) 04:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Paul. Lets deal with your many queries one by one:
  1. My status. I am an admin but that just means I have a few extra buttons (I can delete/undelete pages, block/unblock editors and so forth) but when I am creating and editing articles I have no more or less authority than anyone else.
  2. The naming of the page. When I was trying to find reliable sources to support Mark's notability it became clear that he refers to himself as "Mark Lindquist" as does every other source I found, including the Smithsonian. I presumed that the article had been created with the middle initial because of the clash with the existing article and because the creator (unsurprisingly) was unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policy on disambiguation. I therefore moved the article to the current title of Mark Lindquist (sculptor) per the naming convention. With regard to the other ML, Wikipedia works on what might be termed as first-come-first-served with regards to page names, so as the author was there first he gets to keep the original name. I confess I did overlook to add a hatnote at the top of the page, an omission which has now been corrected. For future reference, the policy for biography page naming can be found at WP:NCP.
  3. The pruning of the page. Yes I removed a great deal of content from the page. This is because despite your assessment of me as a vandal I would actually prefer to see articles kept rather than deleted (in your analysis of my edits to the page you conveniently missed the one where I turned down the deletion request) and my judgement was that if it had been left as it was (which was a cross between a CV and a press release) it would not have lasted very long. I therefore extracted the salient points and removed the fluff and list-cruft. Yes the decision on the list of museums was entirely arbitrary but it was a choice between that and removing them all together - do you see a list of museums in, for example, the Auguste Rodin article? If you think that other museums should be listed instead then you are of course free to edit, as is any other editor, but please do try to keep it down to three or four of the key ones rather than recreating the laundry list.
Kind regards, Nancy talk 10:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:User talk:Frenchfox#Do you have any photographs?

I am afraid all this is "gobbldegook" to me - the language used is so impossible to understand!!!! But I submitted valid, non commercial information to the Nouvelle Branch of the Canal du Midi pages - all interesting photos and information regarding the Locks on the Canal du Jonction, where I used to live (though now in Béziers) and I would stress NON COMMERCIAL - if it was, it would have gone bankrupt long, long ago !!!!! Wikpedia should look at about 80% of it's External Links, because most of them have some commercial content23:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Frenchfox (talk)

Replied Nancy talk 08:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sent you a message earlier (dosn't seem to br on your page, several hours later) - but didn't do all those 18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)~ Sorry - so am sending again (not quite the same - didn't keep a complete copy !!!)

"Basically, there are four major reasons that a new article would be tagged and deleted: it is non-encyclopedic" - As I understand "encyclopedia" - it is extending ones knowledge - this is precisely what my additions to the pages did - nothing else, just more (text & pictures) info on the subject in question!

"it is a copyright violation" - NO copyright violation - everything is our own work

"it is an advertisement or spam" - Come "off it" - look at our sites - a tiny bit of 'sponcership' (just like Wickpedia needs to keep going) - but lots of knowledge about the region - and then look at so many of the External Links which are "blatent advertising"

"or it is an attack or other form of vandalism" - Your joking !!!!!!

If you would like to chat this through - less formally and without all the "non English Language of the site" -perhaps we can meet up next time you are down here in Bize. Have created an e'address where you can contact me swallows& - used to live in one of the bays on Lake Windermere, where they anchored.


MalcolmFrenchfox (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.

Nancy, thank you for your prompt reply. I understand your position better now within the Widipedia organization. Please know I respect your experience in this matter, and initially reacted out of irritation that my carefully crafted entry was sliced and diced. I have NO material argument with your edits and want to make the article as good as I can for the site. I do intend to edit the article very slightly in the future. You will not find it edging back to the way it was, but very much like it is now. ( Your comment about Rodin hit home with me. Thanks for helping me keep perspective )

I was not intending to write a resume or CV for Mark Lindquist, but putting into the public eye, factual information in what I took to be the accepted style for Widipedia. I used as a template for the Lindquist page pages of two of his contemporaries. Since they existed, I assumed they were acceptable formats. They are:

If you visit either of those pages I hope you will agree with me that my page prior to your S+B was fairly concise and moderate. If not I apologize again.

I am a very regular user of Wikipedia and want to do my part in maintianing it as a reputable resource. Thanks for your help and assistance. With regards to assistance, I see this note at the top of the Lindquist page:"This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (February 2009)"

I have referenced external reputable resources such as the Smithsonian which maintains a biography, a link to Amazon which proves the authorship of Lindquist. I would like to reference this article in such a way that removes the somewhat disreputable tag, but am not sure what to do. Any help in that matter would be appreciated.

Finaly... whew... I DID NOT CALL YOU A VANDAL. Reread the post... I will take the heat for the BS that flies from my mouth or at least my fingers, but not credit for things I didn't say... - Paul

Thanks very much for your kind attention.

Paul Jaruszewski, DDS (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

The article does read somewhat like a stub now. If you wish to add content, I suggest you find reliable sources discussing Lindquist's work or showings and summarize their content, adding references as necessary. --NeilN talkcontribs 04:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Neil. I have lost a bit of taste for contributing at this time. The entry contained facts, a referenced quote from an endowed professor of American art history. What remains is a very highly condensed version with wonderful additions such as the word "wood" hyperlinked. This edit was performed by someone who certainly understands the direction Wikipedia is traveling to a greater degree than I do and I have no desire to get into a pissing contest over an entry in a user maintained encyclopedia. The ironic thing is that I desired to create the entry after reading the pages of two of Mr Lindquists contemporaries. I thought they were a bit overdone and looked like an advertisment and I believed my page was more inline with the desires of Wikipedia. In the end, my page ends up looking like a stub and those other pages sit pretty for many months. ( that inline hyperlinking is fun, now I get the allure ) I once received excellent advice. "Never pat a burning dog." For some reason those words popped into my brain just now. With that in mind, I will type my four tildes and see if this post actually get signed. If not, I value my words enough to leave my real name.

Paul D Jaruszewski, DDS Paul Jaruszewski (talk) 07:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Happy Adminship!

Admin mop.PNG Wishing Nancy/Archive 11 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Versus22 talk 05:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Nancy: Friend or Foe? Your actions confuse and amaze!

Nancy, thank you for helping incorporate the information from the Smithsonian. Making references like that inline with the text is beyond my capability. I assume a function of one of those little buttons I am afraid to touch, lest I launch an ICBM out of the Baltic.

After seeing the edits you created last night, I am going to allay my suspicions and appeal to you directly for help as an ally. The first of the bulleted comments are very important and I would greatly appreciate a way to include this information in a acceptable way.

(1)Important comments about Mr Linquist’s work were made by Robert Hobbs. Mr Hobbs is a Rhoda Thalhimer Endowed Professor of American Art History, Virginia Commonwealth University. ( Cut and Paste from my early edit ) The comments were: "...Mark Lindquist's contributions to [the American woodturning] movement in terms of technical innovations and reconsideration of the vessel as a sculptural form rich in cultural and stylistic associations are so profound and far-reaching that they have reconstituted the field....His generosity in disseminating his ideas and techniques among great numbers of woodturners through carefully researched essays on his ground-breaking discoveries and his basic primer Sculpting Wood: Contemporary Tools and Techniques has had the net result of making many of his pioneering feats regularly accepted practices. Some of his important technical innovations have received...a sweeping imprimatur from the modern studio woodturning movement....In addition, his artistic reconfiguration of woodturning in terms of Korean and Japanese ceramics, oriental philosophy, and Judeo-Christian symbols demands investigation in order to understand how he has transformed this genre into a metaphoric discourse on the nature of being." These comments were in his essay discussing Mr Lindquist as published in a catalog for the show at the Smithsonian.

(2) Yes educational information is often in a CV. Not all artists possess a MFA, or even any education in their field. This is pertinent information and it’s inclusion does not make this entry a CV.

(3) Your mention of avoiding laundry lists is good. I think it is reasonable to include mention of awards/recognitions. I will attempt that edit and hope you find it in good taste.

(4) Bravo on the inclusion of spalted wood and the hyperlink. Personally I feel that hyperlinking words like “wood” trivialize the entry and the concept of hyperlinking in general, “spalted” is a perfect example of the power of the HL and what I would describe as a perfect choice for inclusion as a HL. Thanks for helping me make the entry for Mark Lindquist successful.

Paul Jaruszewski,DDS Paul Jaruszewski (talk) 15:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL - always a friend, but maybe not always obviously so!
  • OK, number one rule "never be afraid" - really, what's the worst that can happen? you delete the mainpage? Someone will put it back soon enough. We have a guideline here called Be bold!!
  • Citations look daunting but there is a really cool tool which makes them childsplay see here - just fill out as many of the boxes as you can, click the button and it's all there ready to cut and paste in to an article. the longer you stay around here the more you will realise that there is pretty much a tool for everything. Start out by clicking on "my preferences" at the top of the page (make sure you are logged in) and then go to the "gadgets" tab; there you will find all manner of helpful/labour saving things you can add to your account.
  • I will have a look at the quote tonight at how to incorporate it in to article prose as opposed to a blockquote. (Snow permitting - you may have heard, England has had what the weather forecasters insist on calling a "snow event" and everything has ground to a halt)
  • I've added an "info box" to the article. These are useful for summarising certain bits of information which would be a bit deadly as prose e.g. alma mater & awards but with regards to the awards if you can make an interesting sentence/paragraph about the key ones then be bold. In making the infobox I noticed that the American Craft Council is a redlink - perhaps this could be your next creation??
  • I agree that hyper-linking can be over done and I too favour quality over quantity however in this instance as "wood" is pretty much key to everything Mark does I think it is a reasonable link (who knows one day the wood article might be more enlightening...). I have however moved the wood HL out of the initial sentence.
'til later then, Nancy talk 16:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Nancy. Made some small edits, hopefully they will stick for a while. If there is any way you can work the quote into the text, I would be quite appreciative as it is a great quote for a notable figure in the art world. Good luck with the snow... btw, here in Southern California it has been miserable too... Light rain and in the 60's all day... brrrrrrr.... Take care - don't forget to wear your rubbers.Paul Jaruszewski (talk) 23:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


Nancy Thank you for your good work

Hi Nancy, I want to thank you for the warm welcome you have given me to wikipedia, and for your suggestions to improvement. I would like to be adopted, however I don't think I have the time or the skills to become a bona fide wikipedian. I found the article on Mark Lindquist (sculptor) while doing a search on google and came upon the ML (author/lawyer) page originally and was disappointed in not finding anything on the legendary Mark Lindquist (sculptor). Much to my appreciation I have watched as Dr. Jaruszewski and you have been building the article, and in fact have become a member of Wikipedia, being inspired by this. I have noticed your watchful eye and excellent contributions and as you have noticed, I have made some very minor tidying edits, hoping to contribute somewhat, since I appreciate this artist and his father, woodturning pioneer Melvin Lindquist so much. I've followed their careers for over 50 years and am in awe of their accomplishments. If I may be so BOLD, to use the word you have mentioned, I would like to point out that many of the pages of Lindquist's colleagues ( Chihuly, Castle, Moulthrop, et al) include lists of their collections. I appreciate the brevity, clarity and attention to detail of your style, particularly as it is more scholarly than others, however I notice that while there is a mandate to NOT cite material from websites, that much of the research is available only through websites via google books, etc., when in fact so much of Lindquist's contributions are chronicled in numerous journals and books in libraries. I hope you and Dr. J will endeavor to fill in the details of Mark Lindquist's career, his introduction of texture as an important component to woodturning, (, (, his pursuit of creating sculpture within the confines of the vessel, his large scale sculptures / turnings, etc. The Smithsonian American Art Museum has a wealth of information on Lindquist. Please see: The White House Collection of American Craft:, and the respective pages on Mark: and Melvin: . The Luce Foundation Center (SAAM) has additional information: ( . At any rate, as I mentioned, I do not have the skills to do any kind of substantial editing being such a new user, but I can at least mention some of the sources I have found. I will try to become more proficient, but I find it frustrating at this point (practice practice). If you are willing to help me and correct my mistakes, I will be pleased to join in, if ok with Dr. Jaruszewski. Again, thank you (and Dr. Jaruszewski) for the good work on this important American artist, and again, thanks for your warm welcoming to wikipedia.

Mvtandis --Mvtandis (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

PS - Oh, BTW, Nancy, I noticed that all the external links for Mark Lindquist (sculptor) show his link incorrectly - his name is in the "M's" rather than in the "L's" on all the pages, beginning with his first name rather than last. I merely point this out as an observation, and have no idea how this could be corrected... --Mvtandis (talk) 17:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

It will show under L now - just needed {{DEFAULTSORT:Lindquist, Mark}} added to the article. I'll reply properly to your main post presently. Must fly, Nancy talk 18:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

That's great Nancy - see - this is what I'm saying - you have the skills - I would not know how to fix something like that - they all show up correctly on their corresponding pages now. I have found an interesting link perhaps of interest: - an interview conducted for an NEA / SAF American Masterpieces show (Tradition/Innovation: American Masterpieces of Southern Craft & Traditional Art is a project of the Southern Arts Federation, and is supported in part by an award from the National Endowment for the Arts) the main website is at: --Mvtandis (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Back to your original message, I'm really pleased that you have been inspired to create an account and contribute to the project. The wikimarkup code and the many policies and guidelines can be a bit daunting at first but remember, every editor you see here was a newcomer once and you'll always find plenty of help and advice freely on offer. The way I learnt the basics of formatting was to look at other articles, see how they e.g. made references work and then copied the code - I made plenty of mistakes along the way (still do) but as I said to Paul above, really what's the worst that can happen? A good way to practice is to create a subpage in your personal userspace e.g. User:Mvtandis/Sandbox which would be your own personal scratchpad where you can play aound with editing and formatting without a care.
Both you and Paul have mentioned the content etc of other woodturning biographies and my response would be that there are many (too many) sub-standard articles on Wikipedia but that's no reason to sink to the level of the lowest common denominator. Let's concentrate on Mark Lindquist (sculptor) and perhaps working together we can make it a good article or maybe, in time, get it to featured standard.
As the some of the conversation with both you and Paul has moved towards very specific suggestions about how to improve the Mark Lindquist article and resources which may be used to do so I am going to propose that we move that particular discussion to Talk:Mark Lindquist (sculptor) which is the page dedicated to discussion of that particular article and will therefore be visible to all interested parties. I'll start by copying the resource suggestions etc over there now. I also have a proposal for a name change....
kind regards, Nancy talk 11:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Mob Wars

FYI, I did remove the speedy tag. The other editor promptly restored it, and I didn't want to get into an edit war. See you at the inevitable AfD! --Mr. Vernon (talk) 09:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

DUH - That'll teach me only to skim the last few edits & now I see that you were doing just fine without any advice from me :) - keep up the good work. I might pop over and have a word with the other editor though. Nancy talk 09:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks - and thanks for the heads-up on the AfD. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


As far as I could see, notability was not asserted. The article stated it had a large player base and made money, that isn't asserting notability.— dαlus Contribs 10:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one but the fact remains that it should never have been tagged in the first place by virtue of a speedy already having been declined on it and then when another editor removed your tag you should not have put it back again. Nancy talk 11:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, Twinkle needs to have a warning, a are you sure notice, because until it had been noted, I had not known.— dαlus Contribs 23:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
But surely you check the article history of every article before you tag it to check if there is a good version to revert to, how long it has existed etc? Just add, has it ever been nominated for speedy before? to the list. Nancy talk 06:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Joven coronel

Hi. Please reconsider deletion of this page, as I believe the deletion request was by a different username. Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

No, it was definitely requested by the user it belongs to although it had previously been requested multiple times by User:thereal4real. Kind regards, Nancy talk 21:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 13:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi Nancy - You deleted my "Randy Altschler" page. Randy Altschuler will be running for United State's political office in a few years. We are trying to create resources that show his commitment to the environment. Is this not acceptable? Please advise, Erika -- (talk) 21:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Erika. As I explain at User:Nancy/Why?, the most basic standard for inclusion in Wikipedia is notability--that is, whether or not the subject has received attention from the press or other reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a place to establish one's notability, and so things like the band you started with your friends, the shop down the street that sells good donuts, or the awesomeness of your best friend Randy don't belong in Wikipedia unless they've been written about elsewhere. Hope this helps, kind regards, Nancy talk 08:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Orb Aqueduct

Updated DYK query On February 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Orb Aqueduct, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 03:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Mob Wars AfD

Not sure if you are still following this, but Daedalus969 has engaged in a bit of a spat with another user on the AfD page. More concerning to me, he's currently editing the very page he wants to delete to "clean it up", which is an odd thing to do if you think the article's subject isn't notable. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I saw his changes to the article this morning and you know, I think they are actually an improvement. Let's be charitable and assume that he has (finally) worked out that the AFD will close as keep and so now he is putting his efforts in to getting the article up to scratch. I've also been watching the AFD and have seen the unpleasantness both there and where it has spilled out on to various talk pages; I think the best tack is simply to ignore him - don't make his problem your problem - Gwen's right he should chill out. Cheers, Nancy talk 09:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted my page??

Hi Nancy,

I am using this sub page to test setting up a bio for my company's CEO George Colony. Can you please tell me why you deleted my page?

Thanks, Alexis Karlin Web Producer | Forrester Research —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akarlin (talkcontribs) 18:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I deleted it because it dod not meet the standard for inclusion. Reading your note I wonder whether you actually didn't realise that you had created it in mainspace - would you like me copy the deleted text in to your userspace for you? Kind regards, Nancy talk 18:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, working on Matt Jones (singer/songwriter) - Michigan page. There's a huge difference between all the different Matt Jones singer/songwriters. Please do not delete it again. I'm building it up. Thanks.

Kevin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjeder (talkcontribs) 18:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Vanilla Shipwrek

You deleted my work on a band that's notable in the area and has played over seas? Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bavman740 (talkcontribs) 07:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The article was removed because it did not indicate why it may meet the inclusion criteria set out at WP:MUSIC. Kind regards, Nancy talk 07:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Jennifer Schomaker

Opps sorry about that. Did not mean to delete the deletion flags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slavefortheempire (talkcontribs) 11:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and please delete this artical! Thanks.--theslave (talk) 02:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

West Ham United F.C.‎

Hi, just wondering why you reverted my edit at West Ham United F.C., as, from what I can tell, Hérita Ilunga is still on loan at the club. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a mystery Nancy talk 18:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia page

Hi, Nancy,

Without my consent, a friend of mine thought it would be funny to put up a Wikipedia page on me. I am close to accepting an academic position, but certainly have not "made my mark". Is there any way that I can have this page deleted and all references to it deleted as well. I find this extremely embarrassing and wanted to set the record straight that there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I would have ever done anything this unprofessional! Thanks!! You can reach me at with any questions. (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

If the article you are speaking of is the one I think it is, it will most likely be deleted within the next five days. Is that acceptable? J.delanoygabsadds 00:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jennifer, I can understand your distress however at present we do not delete articles on demand, however as J.delanoy said above it almost certain that the article will be deleted as a result of the ongoing deletion discussion - due to end on Friday at the latest & to which I have added a note of your request. In the meantime, if it is of any comfort the article has been significantly reworked from the original submission so that it is now both neutral & factual. So sorry that I can't be more help, kind regards, Nancy talk 08:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Nancy.

I guess my main question is how to become an administrator if you could give my a basic outline of the stuff i should be reading/doing to help me become one i would really like that i know that im not going to become one right away but i would like to become one eventionally. Thank you Kyle1278 (talk) 19:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi there Kyle. Requests for adminship can be quite a tough place and !voter's "standards" seem to be getting higher and higher. At the moment you will need at least 6 months editing with 5000 or more total edits; most people will want to see a balance between article building (either creating or expanding) and experience in the "admin related areas" of the project. The latter would include good, consistent speedy deletion tagging, perhaps some participation at WP:AFD, & correct warning and reporting of vandals. Overall you need to show through your edits that you are familiar with policy, are helpful and polite (especially to new users), have a desire to collaborate and generally that you can be trusted to use the admin tools wisely.
Looking at your contrib history you have created a good number of articles and your speedy tagging/warning is generally pretty accurate but you are a bit weak in the Wikipedia namespace where you have just contributed to a few deletion discussions. Do carry on with that but perhaps try to give more policy based arguments in your !votes. With regard to general knowledge a good place to start would be the admins reading list which covers off all the main areas which admins are supposed to know about. Hope this helps, kind regards, Nancy talk 17:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)



Why was my page deleted? Shall I just leave it as a sub category under Authority Zero? Please allow me to construct it properly.



user: Girobellum —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi there Bill. The article was deleted because unfortunately it did not show any indication that, even with the Bill Marcks connection, your band would meet our guidelines for inclusion - the requirements for bands can be found at WP:MUSIC. Kind regards, Nancy talk 08:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Nerd Army

Hi Nancy, you deleted my band's page (big surprise) and I just want to know exactly what I have to do to make our page "relevent"? My band was listed under the 'see also' page for another group that plays a similar style of music. So, I figured that would be relevent enough to the subject at hand. I'm new to wikipedia so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, James.

Sorry James, only just spotted this at the top of the page (I've moved it down now) hence tardiness in replying. My very best advice would be to read WP:MUSIC which sets out our inclusion criteria for bands. The key on Wikipedia is notability and WP:MUSIC explains exactly the objective standards we apply when determining if a band is notable or not. Kind regards, Nancy talk 08:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Christine Sugden

Thanks for the redirect, been a while since I've done merging so I just forgot, again thanks SpitfireTally-ho! 07:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem :) Nancy talk 07:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Nancy Blackett (character)

Hi Nancy I hope the boating went well. The sun did not come out here in the West Country.

I had a quick look at Nancy Blackett (character), I would not give it a GA yet.

My thoughts on the way forward, i.e, getting this up to GA-standard, are:

  • The WP:lead could do with expansion.
  • You've covered Nancy in three sections - Character and origins; Influences (I changed it to plural); Appearances.
  • From a GA perspective Appearances is somewhat under cited.
  • There is not much about Arthur Ransom in the article, is there scope for including relevant/pertinent information?
  • Nancy is 12 in Swallows and Amazons, so presumably she was "born" in 1916, a couple of years after the end of WW I. There was a shortage of males after WW I, due to them having been killed; and women did the work of men during WW I, whilst they were fighting, and they lost their jobs when the men returned. From the perspective of Ransom, who was of fighting age in WW I, these characteristics in women of "active leadership" might not seem so unusual as your reference appears to suggest. Possibly we should be looking at WW I role models rather than WW II role models.
  • Sorry gender studies (or what ever it is called) is not something I have any experience of. I have a number of books, as yet unread, on women in munitions work in WW II, but nothing on WW I (except Lloyd George).
  • If we are going down this gender path, would a women-author have written Nancy different from a male author; and is there citable text that could go into this article?
  • Much of this is speculation on my part so it is WP:OR, but it might suggest some lines of literate research.Pyrotec (talk) 23:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Reply Nancy talk 09:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the sun is out. Regarding anything published by Jonathan Cape as a primary source is probably a bit over the top; but these things are never black and white, the guidance is here WP:Primary sources. Some excessive over-linking to their web pages "could" be regarded as WP:SPAM, but I'm not convinced that it would be NPOV. It might be worth looking at Ruth Martin (Lassie), which is probably a GA, your GAreviewer was the nominator; it passed, it was put up for Community GAN, and an AfD was raised at some point; however it's the sort of standard that Nancy Blackett (character) needs to be brought up to.Pyrotec (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You maybe interested in the Article Rescue Squadron

I tagged the Nancy Blackett (character) for rescue because I believe it can be improved. Perhaps you would like to consider joining the Article Rescue Squadron. Rescue Squadron members are focused on rescuing articles for deletion, that might otherwise be lost forever to Wikipedia, you may find our project matches your vision of Wikipedia. Smallman12q (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Please stop

You seem to be engaged in a speedy tagging spree with no other purpose than to cause disruption. Please stop or prepare to find yourself more forcibly prevented from editing. If you have a problem with another editor then perhaps you should consider talking to them about it? Hoping to see some more constructive edits in the future, kind regards, Nancy talk 18:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I have only placed two SD's. I do not a problem with any specific editor, but DreamGuy seems to be an antagonsit who is overly protective of his poor referenced articles. Wordssuch (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Reply Nancy talk 09:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


I'm wondering if we should have KBKO-FM deleted, so that no one else uses that page?--JoeCool950 (talk) 06:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be more helpful to leave it as a redirect - as the station changed name it is still possible that people might search using the old name. If you keep the page watchlisted you can look out for any inappropriate use and that can be dealt with as and when & remember tat even if the page was deleted it doesn't stop it being recreated. Cheers, Nancy talk 12:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Canal du Midi

I've just returned from France and, as promised, managed to take a few pictures of the Canal du Midi. Not many I'm afraid - I only had one afternoon free for tourism. However, I did manage to get pictures of the so far unillustrated locks between Thau and Villeneuve. You can see them on my personal page - use any you see fit. Emeraude (talk) 14:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hope you had a wonderful time. It looks like you had some lovely clear winter sunshine; the shadows cast by the trees in the Villenueve lock picture are incredibly defined. Thanks so much for taking them, they are just perfect and will be going straight in to Locks on the Canal du Midi for starters. Kindest regards, Nancy talk 18:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your help Maen. K. A. (talk) 20:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nancy!

WHY DID YOU ERASE MY FILE? did you even check the the validity of my article? why can random people have a wiki about them and you erase mine? Pornstars are more important than me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Latindigital (talkcontribs) 09:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU ERASE MY FILE? did you even check the the validity of my article? why can random people have a wiki about them and you erase mine?

i have appeared in the newspapers tons of times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Latindigital (talkcontribs) 09:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

We can get in to the other issues once we have addressed the question of your username. Have you read the note I left for you on your talk? Nancy talk 09:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

deletion of soleheaven

Hi, I can see you have deleted SoleHeaven. This was the 1st article I have written. This was not meant to be "blatant advertising" I concede that the orignal format of the page was poor and I was just correcting it when it was deleted. SoleHeaven is becoming as successful in the online world as and Topshop. They both have wikipedia entries. Can you give me advice or help me create this article? Many Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankieJames1000 (talkcontribs) 11:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The best piece of advice would be for you to go and read the notability guidelines for companies. At this stage I am not sure that SoleHeaven quite qualifies yet; as you will see from the guidelines the key here is non-trivial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources and I've searched google news for press coverage without any success so perhaps SH is not quite ready for a Wiki article just yet but I'm sure given a while longer it will be. Kind regards, Nancy talk 13:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of User:Bl00dDrunK47666

I noticed you deleted and blocked this user. Sorry I userfied it as I though he was trying to make an article about himself in the mainspace. Good job. –BuickCenturyDriver 12:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Usually userfication is a really good, non-bitey alternative to deleting, especially with auto-bios but in this case it was an attack page & so just had to go! Cheers, Nancy talk 13:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

deletion of user page

Hi, could you please reconsider the deletion of my user page? I cannot change the name because the revision history is still there, and includes the text of my poem, which changes things drastically. You asked me if I could consider just changing the name, but this is clearly not sufficient. Wikipedia normally has a policy of protecting people from infringement of the privacy of their real life identity, and I think this applies here. Regards, The Mad Echidna (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC

Hi there Mad (may I call you Mad?). I did delete your userpage just not the talk page. What we usually do in these situations is leave the talk page courtesy blanked but I won't consider it admin-shopping if you stick another tag on it and see if you get a different outcome from the next person to review the request. Te best of luck with your publication. Kind regards, Nancy talk 17:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, I saw about the user page, and I meant talk page. Thanks for the reply. The Mad Echidna (talk) 17:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Martin John Callanan

this page was not a recreation, and addressed concerns of the AFD. the article had been edited in user space. I'm not even sure WP policy was correctly followed in the deletion of this new version of the article. Artparis (talk) 20:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC) Please move the article to my user space Artparis (talk) 20:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Userfied to User:Artparis/Sandbox as requested. WP policy was in fact followed to the letter as the text of the article I deleted and have just userfied was to all intents and purposes identical to that which was deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin John Callanan (2nd nomination). On the topic of following the rules, I notice that seven minutes after your first post here you submitted my action to deletion review but seem to have overlooked to inform me of that fact. You also seemed to have skipped the step: Deletion Review is to be used where someone is unable to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question. This should be attempted first – courteously invite the admin to take a second look. Nancy talk 09:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Furniture Bank article - copyright permission

Nancy, I added the recommended "copyleft" permission phrase at the end of the page "" from which the text for article "Furniture Bank" was derived. Is that sufficient to re-add the page, please?

Swingslide (talk) 23:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Replied Nancy talk 09:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

History of the LGBT community in Seattle

That's fine but I just spent two hours preparing a section on Health and Gay marriage. Where did it go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgearin (talkcontribs) 09:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Replied Nancy talk 09:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of Barack Obama

You deleted this article, but I have a couple questions: One, where is the history of discussion related to that specific article. Two, what was its actual content at the time of deletion? Three, was there an AFD for the article or was it speedy-deleted? -Stevertigo 17:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

As can be seen in the deletion log I speedily deleted it as an attack page - given that deletion reason it's not appropriate for me to repeat the exact content here but I can tell you that it was a very short article consisting of 5 rather childish and offensive bullet points plus a link to an external attack website. Hope this helps, kind regards, Nancy talk 18:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nancy! Thank you, I noticed you speedying this page when it contains nonsense. From watching Talk:Barack Obama, I believe that there is a desire to create a legitimate version of this article. In fact, based on all of the complaints on why we don't yet have this article, I'm surprised that a legitimate version of the page hasn't yet been created. Perhaps folks are still gathering their thoughts? I'm not sure how frequently blatantly nonsense versions of this article appear, so I don't know how urgent full protection of that nonexistent article is required. If it isn't absolutely required, I do think that it should be semi or no protection to provide the opportunity for the folks who have indicated their desire to create the legitimate version. These folks and others have been bullhorn complaining that wikipedia censors and safeguards information around Obama. They are incorrect, but I hate to give them any more ammo for their nonsense. Can you please only semi or no protect this article and we'll continue to speedy the vandalism as needed? Hopefully someday soon the folks who have been complaining about the lack of this article will get around to creating it. thank you again, --guyzero | talk 16:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC) (p.s. thank you for reverting vandalism at my talkpage)

Morning Guyzero. This is a really difficult one. I absolutely agree that there should be a decent, encyclopaedic article at this title and I hope that the my initial summary in the protection log makes that clear. On the other side we have a very serious WP:BLP issue; whilst the last version of the article to be deleted was fairly innocuous, the same cannot be said for some of the prior incarnations. It is for this reason that I protected the title from creation for an indefinite but not infinite period, however, after looking at the histories of the accounts which have created the most problematic of the versions I have reduced the protection to semi as it does appear that it is new accounts that are responsible for the BLP violations - thanks for suggesting that, it's a good compromise. Kind regards, Nancy talk 07:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks much, Nancy! Nice to meet you =) --guyzero | talk 09:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
No problem. Nice to meet you too. Nancy talk 09:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Algebraic Bears will Kill us All

Would you say the immediate death of every human being on Earth was notable?

The river of truth has been dammed up. The human race is doomed, doomed! We'll all suffer a ten-second, painful death, by conversion to paper. Imagine how it feels. I lost my little sister to the Bears; my parents died to save me from them. I know my time will soon arrive, but I'm warning you - at least one person - Algebraic Bears are weak to fire. Kill them with fire and burn the ashes. I can hear the scraping, howling sound outside my door. It's crumpling up.

I know that these will be my last words to the Internet, and you, Nancy, a person I don't even know, shall be the only one to hear them.

I can't think of anything clever. I'm sorry I couldn't save everybgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximalPlus (talkcontribs) 08:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Guitar Hero: Van Halen page

I agree with your reasoning to delete the page. I thought I would try and start it up, but as I began creating it, I realized there was very little info on it. I wanted to create it because it was at the bottom with all the other Guitar Hero links, and it bothered me that there was no page for it. Hawkdude56 (talk) 16:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Arrogant Sons of Bitches

a user came to me with a new draft, you were one of three deleting admins (including myself). Please see DRV here. Thanks StarM 01:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Anders Andersson

If you don't want to revert the move that was made without discussion, then can you take upton yourself to change all the links because they all point to the footballer. chandler · 22:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

If you'd bothered to check you would see that most of those links are through transclusions of two template navboxes Template:Sweden Squad 2004 UEFA Euro and Template:Sweden Squad 2000 UEFA Euro which I have changed this morning as obviously you prefer to to come sniping on my talk page rather than to paste 28 characters into two templates which would have dealt with 90% of it. Nancy talk 08:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Harmony, Incorporated page

Hi Nancy,

You are listed as an admin who would be willing to search for a deleted page and send the content so it can be approved. I recall a few months ago that the Harmony, Incorporated page was marked for speedy deletion for blantant advertising, but before I could request it be reviewed, the page was gone and I can't find it in the deletion logs. Is there anyway to get the page restored so I can make an attempt to fix it?Aharvell (talk) 05:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll need to know the exact title of the page when it was deleted - I've tried looking under various capitalisations, with and without the comma but I haven't found it yet. Or, do you know the username of the person who created it in the first place as I could then find it in their deleted contributions? Kind regards, Nancy talk 13:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

party affiliation

I am listed on your New York City Mayoral election page as a Democrat. I currently have no party affiliation and should be listed as Independent. The job description listed is accurate. The link at the bottom in references should read KEVIN COENEN Candidate for NY City MAYOR and Democrat can be removed. It should be linked to which it currently is as such. Thank you, I can be reached at if you have any futher questions. K.C. (Sitback (talk) 13:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC))