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Alldeutsch is not Großdeutsch

If you say "Pan-germanism" is "Alldeutsch" then the colors would be black-white-red, not black-red-gold, and austria's Freedom party has nothing to do with pan-germanism....Alldeutsche and Großdeutsche are rivals....while Alldeutsche were for uniting all "germans" under prussia, the Großdeutschen were for uniting all germans under Austria....thats a BIG difference!

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Nothing about Pan-German League and its interesting program ? Will have to expand. --Molobo 12:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A bit on Pan-German League ideas: [1] We need a free press for our national life, a press of and for Germans, one that expresses the German spirit I shall suggest concerning the distancing of Jewry from our public life will be sufficient to preserve the health of our press system Let us be clear in the discussion of these necessities that the innocent must suffer along with the guilty.... Today, the borders must be totally and unconditionally barred to any further Jewish immigration. This is absolutely necessary, but no longer sufficient. Just as self-evident, foreign Jews who have not yet acquired citizenship rights must be speedily and unconditionally expelled, to the last man. But this also is not enough....We must demand that resident Jews be placed under an Aliens' Law.... Newspapers which have Jewish collaborators must make this fact known. The others, which we generally call "German" newspapers, may neither be owned by Jews nor have Jewish editors or reporters. Banks that are not purely personal enterprises may not have Jewish directors. In future, rural property may not be owned by Jews or be mortgaged to Jews. As compensation for the protection Jews enjoy as foreigners, they shall pay double the taxes of Germans....

Resolutely militant policy against the Poles through application of expropriation and introduction of a prohibition against parcellization of land....Extension of military law to all regions endangered by Polish assault. Especially for Upper Silesia we must demand that those elected by the Polish people can sit in parliament only as advisors; they therefore should have no vote and are to be heard only on those matters of interest to their fellow nationals or homeland. Should it turn out that these determinations are avoided by mergers with other parties, we should not shrink from the further step of finally withdrawing the active and passive franchise from Poles. The definition of a Pole should be established on the same basis as suggested for Jews, naturally with language as the determining factor.

Under all conditions Polish newspapers and periodicals must include a German translation next to the Polish text. German will be the only tolerated language for any assembly....

However, there must be created a Central Office in which everything concerning the Polish question is deliberated upon. Only after an Ostmark[3] ministry [has been created] in which the practical struggles of the Polish question are worked out by experts, guaranteeing uniformity of direction, will, and execution of policy, can we expect a lasting success. Should it come to the stage of Polish resistance with recourse to means thus far avoided, the state should not shrink from the ultimate.

As can be seen the Pan-German program represented by Pan-German League was motivated by anti-semitism and discrimination of Poles. It alledged that "German spirit" was harmed by Jews and Poles and wanted to discriminate those nationalitites. Such information should be included into the main text along with quotes. --Molobo 14:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We have a "See also" link to Alldeutscher Verband already, where this discussion belongs. Kusma (討論) 15:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the citations in this article?74.138.89.115 19:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC) heather[reply]

I do not know much about "Pan-Germanism," but based off the article, it seems like Hitler's Anschluss and Greater Germany should at least be mentioned. The only mention of World War II is germans being treated badly in the Soviet Union. That seems to ignore some very blatant events... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.20.111 (talk) 16:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IT IS WRONG!

To say that geopgraphical reasons and mixed areas where the onlyreason why the German speaking people of Austria couldn't live in a German speaking country after WWI. Especially in South Tyrol and in the border region between Austria and Czechoslovakia closed predominatly German speaking territories stretched well into what became Chechoslovakia and Italy. The poeple living in the region were not asked (with two exeptions, and those referendums might have been rigged) in what country they wanted to live and this was done purely for political reasons, namely to fullfill promises to the Czechs and Italians and to weaken the german speaking countries. This was quite contradictionary to what had been promised in Wilson's 14 points and was on of the most important political topics of the time. As it stands the article has to be seen as anti-German (or anti-Austrian, your choice) propaganda and is misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.67.177.11 (talk) 11:25, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Removing reference to Nazism

Yes, a reference to Nazism should be put in the article. But drawing a straight line from the Pan-German League is somewhat misleading. --91.96.195.148 22:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

somewhat simplifies the Austrian situation

The article says:

In Austria, only the extreme right still clings to Pan-Germanism. During most of the Second Republic, this part was represented mostly by the Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ) (founded in 1955 and led by the internationally-known populist politician Jörg Haider from 1986-2000).

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "clings to Pan-Germanism", but some variety of pan-Germanist sentiment has been present, especially through the 1970s and 1980s, in most of the major Austrian parties, including the left-wing ones, especially in more conservative regions. For example, the SPÖ governor of Carinthia, Leopold Wagner (1974–1988), was rather controversial in his party for his populist overtones and non-apologetic mentions of his time in the Hitler Youth. --Delirium (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the philosophical origins?

I can't believe this article has been here this long without reference to Herder, Fichte, or Hegel. Ehusman (talk) 04:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]