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Accounting4Taste:talk 23:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Skye harbour

A tag has been placed on Skye harbour requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Hello. I received a message that my article will be deleted. I understand the reason, but, this is not a simple garage band. --[[User:Sirgreene|Sirgreene]] ([[User talk:Sirgreene|talk]]) (talk) 23:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recall using the term "garage band". I will suggest, though, that the group in question doesn't meet the criteria outlined in WP:MUSIC, with which you may wish to familiarize yourself. If you believe that the group does meet those criteria, you're welcome to begin the process at WP:Deletion review. Since you mistakenly left your message on my user page, I'll see if I can help you receive this message by copying both your and my note to your talk page. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I happened to agree with Accounting4Taste, which is why I deleted it. The tone seemed to fit the typical "wannabe" bands which arrive by the hundreds every day. The last paragraph successfully established notability IMO, so I've restored it. You may wish to do some immediate cleanup to the article so that another admin doesn't clobber it again; it's really shaky as it stands. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The location of the message was no problem, and I'm glad you received it. I think User:PMDrive1061 and I are currently discussing this issue -- if s/he's right and I'm wrong, I'll be happy to restore the article and help you improve it. Apparently it falls into a gray area and I may be learning that I made a mistake. If you have any further questions, I'm at your service. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We've discussed this and I agree, this meets #9 of the list of qualifications under WP:MUSIC, so I have removed my deletion tag and stand ready to help you improve the article. As User:PMDrive1061 noted, it's "shaky as it stands", so I'll see what I can do to help. Sorry if this all seems a bit weird -- we work hard and quickly to keep articles out that don't meet our standards, but I'm always happy when we get something useful. My apologies for any discomfiture and let me know if there's something I can do to help. (I'm going to change some of the language to make it more neutral, for starters.) Accounting4Taste:talk 00:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. For the record, I'm a "he."  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Me too, for the record. I'd suggest you take out the sections "History" and "Influences" unless you can back them up with reliable sources. It may seem strange, but what the band says about itself is considered a primary source and cannot be used to support the article -- it's what experts like music critics say that is the only way of getting those kind of statements in. The bit about releasing the EP is a fact, so of course it can stay. So if someone has written an article in a newspaper about the contest, or reviewed the band in a magazine, that would be the best material to use in the article, appropriately cited so that other people can find the same article if they look for it. Right now, those two sections are pretty much at the mercy of anyone who cares to remove them. You might find WP:Your first article to be useful in sorting out what works and what doesn't -- also, WP:Why was my article deleted? will give you some idea of why the article was on the borderline. I'm going offline now, but I'll help you further if you have any questions -- just leave me a note and I'll get back to you. Accounting4Taste:talk 00:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note; I'll help you as best I can. I think the most important thing for you to do would be to collect everything that has ever been written about the band by people who could be seen as "independent experts". That is, not people who are members of the band or related to them, not postings in blogs or forums, not MySpace comments -- only people who are seen as having expertise in assessing bands and who have published comments in "reliable sources" like newspapers, magazines, etc. People like professional music critics or recording company executives. Those are the sources that are needed to create a picture of the band in its article. I suspect that one good source of these comments would be the people who judged the contest; who are they, why were they chosen to be judges, where did they say things, what exactly did they say and how can people confirm that they said those things? I hope this helps. It is sometimes hard for people to understand that Wikipedia doesn't want to know what people say about themselves, only what others say about them; it's the difference between "primary sources" (which we don't use) and "secondary sources" (which we do). If you have any further questions, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I wanna upload an image for the article Skye Harbour.

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