Talk:LOL

Please delete the article.

As much as the acronym 'LOL' is in global use, it belongs more on Urban Dictionary than a fully-featured encyclopedia. Please delete the article or at least get somebody else to do it as it is quite pathetic with details. They're not wrong, just a tad bit inaccurate and the article is very unprofessional. It's already been nominated for deletion once; keep Wikipedia to the informal articles, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuzTeTT (talk • contribs) 12:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

And why isn't an acronym encyclopedic?--Megaman en m (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Fully-featured minus "LOL"? How is the article "quite pathetic with the details"? Did you request the deletion just for teh lullz? --Joshua Issac (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

(LOL also means Lots Of Love) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.44.237 (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, the previous discussion resulted in Speedy Keep. --Joshua Issac (talk) 23:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Do we even need this article? Shaunsomeone (talk) 15:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Internet lingo is immature, and stupid. It's hardly worthy of an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.40.115 (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

This article falls completely within the requirements of Wikipedia articles per Wikipedia standards. It, however, does require work to become a more complete and constructive encyclopedic entry. As noted above all previous attempts to have this article deleted have resulted in a "speedy keep" verdict. It may be prudent to discuss a merge of this article into common internet lingo if there is enough of objection to LOL being a separate article, but this move would have to be discussed at length and would not be an overnight outcome. Chris4682 January 1, 2009 6:59PM

Could someone please delete the line "Teenagers now sometimes use them in spoken communication as well as in written, with ROFL (pronounced /ˈroʊfəl/ or /ˈrɒfəl/) and LOL (pronounced /ˈloʊl/, /ˈlɒl/, or /ˌɛloʊˈɛl/), for example"? I am a teenager and am highly offended by this line. No one I know uses lol in spoken communication and few use it in text messaging or IM.

How old is this page?

Could somebody please unlock this page for renovation? I mean... The first sentence:

'LOL (also written with some or all letters lowercase, most commonly as lol or LoL)'

I've never seen anybody say LoL. Or BWL for that matter (also mentioned). This page is horribly, tragically outdated. Please let the Wikipedia community fix this! 124.177.124.250 (talk) 10:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• The source documents BWL. Readers don't trust Wikipedia editors about whom they only know their IP addresses. They trust sources, and the article has to say what the sources say. Please read and familiarize yourself with our Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research policies. Uncle G (talk) 20:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record im 15 and i say it all the time because im pro and epic while the rest of you are all n00bs and gyro's. Thankyou and loool, lol rofl xD zomg roflctoper soi soi soi

Noot92 (talk) 07:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Some of the things written on the 'lol' page are WRONG. Example: ROTFL- Rolling on the floor laughing. This is meant to be ROFL as the 'T' is not written. This is false information that we are not allowed to edit.

Ridiculous.

• Again, please read and familiarize yourself with our verifiability policy. Wikipedia is not written based upon claims from people with pseudonyms such as "Noot92". It is written based upon published sources written by people such as Jiuan Heng, Guy L. Steele, Robin Williams, Steve Cummings, Tim Shortis, and Eric S. Raymond. In the event of a conflict between an assertion backed up by multiple published sources written by identifiable people who have expertise in the field and reputations for fact checking and accuracy to defend, and an assertion from some unidentifiable person calling xyrself "Noot92" with nothing at all to back it up, Wikipedia, by clear policy, goes with what the sources say. Uncle G (talk) 13:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Please please please unlock this page. This is so old and every single internet acronym redirects here. Even ROFLCOPTER (soi soi soi) even when that is not mentioned in the article and is completely seperate from LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.118.42 (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

ISHP. This article is bullshit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbobboblol (talk • contribs) 19:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

im 15 and i use lol all the friggin time in basic conversation. Just ask ali scott. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.177.46 (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

ROFL NOT ROFTL

seriously it's ROFL (rolling on floor laughing) not ROFTL (rolling on the floor laughing) that's just plain wrong.

ROFL you can't get it right all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speed assasin (talk • contribs) 09:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

If you find some published source that talks about ROFL, Wikipedia can use material from encyclopedia-quality sources but not material from our own experience or impressions. I agree that ROTFL is uncommon/non-existent in the chat circles I know about online. But I just did a Google news search -- ROTFL and ROFL are still about equally common in currently published media. betsythedevine (talk) 14:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Its ROFL, and why doesn't ROFL have its own entry. As for source, go to any gaming server and ask.... ROFTL is WRONG! Tha dictionary --Rootbeerjunky (talk) 14:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

If any real media writer is reading these pages, why not write an article on the ROFL wars? (See similar comments by different people also on the talk page for Internet slang.) Then we could have what Wikipedia considers a verifiable source for the shades of nuance and use in different communities of ROTF (oldest), ROTFL (which seems to have a monopoly in scholarly articles on the subject), and ROFL, which many enthusiasts say here is now the standard. Google News searches turn up current usage of both ROTFL and ROFL. betsythedevine (talk) 18:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

• • All hail Google. No siriously, being a dedicated gamer ROTFL is like ancient, old and for n00bies. Its ROFL, but then again I do agree it could be based on online community what abbreviation they use. I do not think Wikipedia could handle Leet or gaming slang/terminology. You are kidding about scholarly articles about ROFL are you???--Rootbeerjunky (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, there are tons of scholarly papers written in the field of linguistics, and some at least talk about internet slang. For example, this article, which has ROTFL rather than ROFL. [1] betsythedevine (talk) 23:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Linguistically, it is fairly common for abbreviations to exclude the letter 'T' when it stands for 'the'. Similarly, 'A' is often not put into abbreviations when an 'and' exists in the sentence. Also, google search shows some 16 million more results for "ROFL" than "ROTFL", implying that the former is now the common standard. Greg ^{(t • c)} 11:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

i can assure you that ROFL is more commonly used IN GAMING AND NORMAL SPEECH. in the media, it may, be just as common to come across ROTFL as ROFL but this is NOT true as such in gaming (where abbreviations such as this are most common.) you may also notice that, in many spell checks, "ROFL" doesn't get marked as an incorrect spelling where as "ROTFL" DOES!!!!!

lol

Well im an internet gamer and i use lol all of the time. There are many differant things you can use as slang and people often use slang in there online games. LOL and lol usally have very differant meanings. When people say LOL it's usally ment to mean its more funny than just saying lol. Useing caps can be used as a way of shouting e.g. you fool or in caps YOU FOOL. Other slang used online is rofl, lmao, lmfao, wtf, gf (get F@@@), gf (girl friend), gf (good friend),brb (be right back), bbl (be back later, afk and stfu. Faces can also be used as slang :)  :( -.- <('.'<).

Your point is? This article is only about the abbreviation LOL.--Megaman en m (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Although you're right, you need to stop speaking like a retard and type properly or no one will listen to you. — Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

SO BASICALLY, LOL=LAUGH OUT LOUD :p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.254.165.250 (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

That made me LOL, ROFL, LMFAO, LMAO, Etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.32.56 (talk) 03:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Somebody please define "CMC-style abbreviations"!

The section "Spread from written to spoken communication" refers to a study in which "Out of 2,185 transmissions, there were 90 initialisms in total, only 31 CMC-style abbreviations, and 49 emoticons." I can't find any definition in Wikipedia or anywhere else (including the referenced source for that study) of "CMC-style abbreviations." What are they? Jim10701 (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

CMC is "computer-mediated communication." I agree, it's a flaw in the article if that's not clear. betsythedevine (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Overlap with the article on Internet slang

The two sections "Analysis" and "Spread from written to spoken communication" contain a lot of information that is relevant to Internet slang in general, not just to "lol." I copied that information to Internet slang. I think it would also be a good idea to remove from this article material that relates only peripherally to "lol." Any discussion from others, pro or con? betsythedevine (talk) 20:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

kek/bur reference

Heph8 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC) kek: Cross-faction rendering of lol in the MMORPG World of Warcraft. Though most words are not translated directly across factions, lol is always faithfully rendered as "kek". When a member of the Horde says the word lol, nearby members of the Alliance see the word as "kek". Kek is derived from the Korean ㅋㅋㅋ, or kekeke, which is used to express laughter.[citation needed]

http://projectazeroth.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LanguageOrcish is a website devoted to translating the various tongues used in WoW. Bur is commonly heard by horde when alliance say lol, and kek is what alliance hear when horde say lol.

^LMAO and _LMFAO

Personally, I feel that Wikipedia should not be so mercilessly abused by internet gamers, who purposely try to embbed profanities into good articles. Or not very good articles. Anyway, we all know that LMFAO has a vulgarity, which is the F, which is F***. We all know that this is very bad, especially for innocent children who go browsing wikipedia, and because their friend said lol, they search what it means. LMAO is safer, and you should change it to LMAO. I'll change it.

P.S. Hopefully nobody would change it to LAMO.

Please don't second-guess the motivations of other editors. It is entirely possible that the paragraph contains "LMFAO" because the source being cited contained that spelling and/or because that is the term kids use to disguise their reference not only to its F-word but also to its A-word. betsythedevine (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is NOT censored so profanity is allowed if it improves the article.--Megaman en m (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I came to this page after googling for a definition of lmfao. lmfao redirects here, so it really should be mentioned somewhere.WotherspoonSmith (talk) 05:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

just in case someone still wanna know, LMAO means "Laughing My Ass Off", and LMFAO means "Laughing My Fucking Ass Off"--TiagoTiago (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

ROTFL means "Rolling On The Floor Laughing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.154.179 (talk) 22:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

But you see, no one uses ROTFL, it's just ROFL. The T is not included. This article is serious bullshit. — Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Lolz?

On the page it says that lolz can sometimes be used instead of lol. I've always heard that that it means "laugh out loud zealously". Can anyone confirm/deny whether this is true and find citation of it? earle117 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Well that's rubbish. Lolz is the plural of LOL, as in "I did it for the lulz" which is it appropriate spelling. It's actually not an acronym. — Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Rofl vandalism?

I think Wikipedia has been spammed with rofls on the LOL page. Because of semi protection, it's uneditable for me. Can anyone change it? --82.13.216.194 (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to sign up. — Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Bad Article

LOL is now a common acronym. But for how long, and what is there to say about it? At least explain the origin of LOL, why it became popular, and how popular it is. The article oversteps its bounds and goes offtopic from LOL to acronym. Given its actual content, the "Analysis" section would be more appropriately labeled "Criticism" or "Controversy". The article is also outdated. Erudecorp ? * 02:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

ROFLCOPTER

ROFLCOPTER redirects here but is never mentioned in the article— What's with that? ROFLCOPTER has its own little history in (if I remember correctly) World of Warcaft long after the creation of LOL, ROFL, ROFLMAO, or other any varient of such. ROFLCOPTER is also unique in that it not actually an acronym, but rather a base word, "copter" (presumebly from the word "helicopter"), mixed with the acronym prefix, "ROFL" ("Rolling On [The] Floor Laughing"), creating a word-acronym mix that (presumebly for asthetic purposes or for the convenience of not having to switch between capital letters and lower-case letters) is irregularly partially capitalized. Also note that "COPTER" does not stand for anything, as nothing would make sense, and because it is obviously part of the word "helicopter". As a theory of its origin or meaning, I think it may be a play on the common, though incorrect, pronounceation of "helicopter" as something along the lines of "hellocopter". Not sure where to go from there though. 70.184.239.162 (talk) 17:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

ROFTL?

I don't think anyone has used ROFTL for a long time. It is a bad example in the first paragraph of the article, and should be replaced with ROFL immediately due to the fact that people actually use the term ROFL. Thanks guys, and sorry that I am too lazy to log into my account and change it myself, but then I would start fixing other articles. You know how that goes. --207.118.214.56 (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

mdr?

I don't think anybody actually use "mdr" to replace LOL in French language. I am a French speaking Quebecer and as I can see, everybody around here use LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.147.93 (talk) 01:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

We sort of do use it but not to replace "lol", you're right. But since it's not so common anymore it has a stronger value. I don't think the article is wrong though when it says it's the french version. Skwiz (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)