Talk:Natasha Richardson

Fact Check

She was taken to Centre Hospitalier Laurentien in Ste-Agathe and then to Hôpital du Sacré-Coeur de Montréal. [1]

If she's brain dead - she's good and dead, folks. You don't come back from that - they keep the body on life support long enough for the family to say bye and that's the end of it. She will be declared dead tomorrow or tonight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.238.176.254 (talk) 01:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Natasha Richardson's death is not being inputted for some reason? I've seen two edits, will look at revert history. Why? She is really dead, yo.

EsocksLAMB (talk) 17:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Pics or it didn't happen. 208.37.156.52 (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Please add a reliable source. I can't find anything in the news about that, only that she's in serious condition with a head injury. PatríciaR ^msg 17:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

http://defamer.gawker.com/5172167/natasha-richardson-reported-dead-at-45-after-skiing-accident PostHuman (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm checking Google News and no death reports, though there can be a lag. But, yeah. Not one labeled source means no proof and no allowing calling her dead. I'd add to what we *do* know in terms of accident details:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jay-EEHR_emw-tg1NXbgx3lwO5qgD96VTHJO0 99.249.63.153 (talk) 17:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Fox News claims she's cerebrally dead. 92.143.233.175 (talk) 23:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Good grief plz show some human decency and wait until she is formally pronounced dead before we state it on the page ok? This is just the right thing to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.97.239 (talk) 06:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

NY Post this morning less then 20 minutes ago reported she has been taken off life support. She is dead. Check their website. 11:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.193.87 (talk)

The problem is that there are currently multiple competing reports on her condition being circulated in the press. Picking one that matches what you want to say and ignoring the rest is not a proper solution. It does no harm to wait till competing news agencies can agree on a single variation of what has happened while propagating an early but incorrect can cause significant harm to both Wikipedia and Richardson's family. --Allen3 ^talk 13:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

This isn't going to become 100% official until they make a statement later today. There's definitely no point jumping the gun beforehand. Some people's eagerness to confirm her death is morbid. Gunstar hero (talk) 13:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Folks, there's just no need for an encyclopedia to have the latest info the second it happens. Wikipedia's strength is in part because it's quickly updated, but there's simply no reason why people can't wait a few hours to get clear and well sourced information before rushing ahead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.95.132 (talk) 14:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Full protection

Ok magazine says she is dead, her family took her off life support —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.241.168 (talk) 02:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

As unsourced death rumors still continue through the semi-protection, I have fully-protected this page for three days. If she has died please find a reliable source to back it up. I suspect that this page will require semi-protection after the full-protection has expired or is lifted; any admin may lift the protection. Thank you. Acalamari 18:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I should've sourced it and read further. She is being listed as brain-dead and being treated as dead by the family. Source: http://www3.timeoutny.com/newyork/upstaged/2009/03/natasha-richardson-is-brain-dead/ Pejorative.majeure (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Timeoutny amended the post[2]. In any case I think its better to wait until multiple sources say the same thing, there is no rush. —StaticVision (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

"Natasha Richardson reportedly brain dead Actress Natasha Richardson is said to be brain dead after a ski accident in Mont Tremblant in Quebec, friends have told The New York Post. Tune into 680News for the very latest on this story, or visit 680news.com" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.255.3 (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Internet rumours of Richardson's death were untrue said a family spokesperson. Gran² 18:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The resort says that she didn't hit her head but fell while having a beginner's lesson, began experiencing a headache later and was taken to hospital. See here http://www.winnipegsun.com/entertainment/movies/2009/03/17/8781331.html. Kitchawan (talk) 18:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

CTV is reporting she was put on a private jet and flown -- "probably to NYC" -- to another hospital. Perhaps a specialist at a hospital to treat a possible brain injury? http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/17/natasha-richardson-flown-to-new-hospital/ The main accident article is severely lacking. No mention that she was acting "normal" after the accident but a bit after complained of headaches and was taken to a hospital. There's more than half a dozen sources verifying this. Macshill (talk) 18:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

NY Times: [3] She acted normally, then began having headaches, whereupon she went to the hospital. Pejorative.majeure (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

NY Post: "Brain dead" ---> http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172009/news/worldnews/natasha_richardson_is_brain_dead_160027.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bountyhunter1.0 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Fox News Channel is also confirming that she is brain dead and is currently being transported to New York City where she will be taken off life support. Therefore it is my opinion that the protection be removed and confirmable information be added as warrants. Rosie, Queen of Corona (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Why would they transfer her if she is so badly ill? Is it to do with inheritence laws regarding place of death? And why is everyone saying she is Liam Neesons wife, when Liam is hardly known and she is Vanessa Redgrave's daughter? Surely that is her main claim to fame. Anyway, lets hope and pray she does not go the same way as Ulrike Maier, Sonny Bono and John Denver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.70.50 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I saw a news story this morning about her being brain dead, didn't recognize her name, and came here to see who she is. Sorry, but I've seen lots of movies that star her husband and recognize the names of her ex-husband, and know who her mother is, but I don't think I've seen any of her movies. --Vrmlguy (talk) 12:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

To answer the person above's question... I don't know, but they wouldn't allow a patient w/ head trauma to fly on a private jet to wherever she's going unless it was to take her off life support at the chosen death location or flying her body back to wherever she will be buried. Macshill (talk) 21:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Clinically Dead

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OK Magazine reports that she has died, her family decided to take her off life support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happyworldnow (talk • contribs) 00:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

New York Post reports on life support en route to Manhattan: http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172009/news/worldnews/natasha_richardson_is_brain_dead_160027.htm

Furtive admirer (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

According to Cyberpresse she is "brain dead" and left Canada for, what is NOT CONFIRMED, a New York hospital.

http://moncinema.cyberpresse.ca/nouvelles-et-critiques/nouvelles/nouvelle-cinema/7866-Natasha-Richardson-cliniquement-morte.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roc 1981 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

This says reports of her death are incorrect. I don't know either way, like everyone else here, but while there are reports out there saying that her family have denied the claims, it should stay out of the article (which I see is fully protected so it will stay out for now). I've seen various articles claiming Natasha is dead or brain dead, but most seem to quote the same source so it's not reliable enough at this point to actually say anything for sure. Sky83 (talk) 19:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You have a point, Sky83. Perhaps she is and they're preparing funeral arrangements and getting other various ducks in order (contacting the entire families and associates, friends, etc.) before the announcement. So it could be a quasi-shot in the dark "lucky guess" on part of some in the press. Macshill (talk)

There is a report on TMZ that claims the hospital have said she is not brain dead. I think while that kind of information is out there with the reports claiming Natasha has died or is brain dead, all speculation must stay out of the main article and the protection is certainly warranted at this time. Sky83 (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

She is dead. CNN just reported she is brain dead and is being taken off life support.69.142.18.63 (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/natasha-richardson/news/104964-natasha-richardson-dead Add MTV UK to the list that has her dead. Macshill (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC).

The MTV UK article is using that "Time Out NY" piece as the source, not independantly verifying.--Cube lurker (talk) 20:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Both CNN and MTV are reporting rumours though, neither have statements from a spokesperson. Until an official statement is given from Natasha's family, it probably has to stay out. Sky83 (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

FOXNEWS is confirming that she is being taken off lifesupport

Bold textShe's dead please update it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509477,00.html

They are not confirming it, they are rehashing the rumour. Sky83 (talk) 20:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

PerezHilton picked up the CBC story saying the family isn't talking until tomorrow. http://perezhilton.com/2009-03-17-official-word-coming-soon I fear that means she's gone and the formal announcement comes out then. Macshill (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC).

Macshill (talk) We don't need such vulgarity here, please. We're adults. Let's act like it.

Just heard on the Sheppard Smith Show on Fox News that Natasha's family has confirmed that she's been declared clinically brain dead and will take her off life-support tomorrow. I hope he's wrong but that's what was reported on the show. Dionyseus (talk) 00:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Even if it's not confirmed, it's still news. Can't the page be unlocked to report that. What happened to Wikipedia where evolving news was reported as it unfolded without pages locked? --Crunch (talk) 00:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. There should be blurb stating that she suffered a serious head injury in a skiing accident. At least that much could be added to the article. Even the speculation that she is clinicly dead is verifiable at this point (note emphasis). Argel1200 (talk) 00:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I see the article has been updated. Thanks admins! Argel1200 (talk) 00:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Larry King Live's CNN headline right this moment still says "seriously injured", not dead yet. John Darrow (talk) 01:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You are right about Wikipedia and being up to date, but the reason I fully protected this page earlier was because, at the time, nothing was confirmed, and us reporting that someone has died when in fact there's no confirmation of that information would not be a good thing. Any admin may unprotect this article before the expiry time if they see it necessary to. Thanks. Acalamari 02:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

BBC says "Internet rumours of Richardson's death were untrue, said a family spokesperson." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7947826.stm --BignBad (talk) 01:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

On the Greta Van Susteren show on Fox News they had a neurosurgeon on and he says he's very surprised by the report that she is clinically brain dead and he doubts the report. Greta said she's not so certain about the report herself. Dionyseus (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this, we need to keep in mind that, as has been said numerous times above, the rumor of brain death is likely just that- a rumor. Speaking from experience, dealing with just the "family and friends" grapevine down which updates of planned medical procedures travels is incredibly frustrating. It's a massive telephone game in which one family member hears a bit of medical information, to which is appended the family member's own interpretation of the medical information given them. As everyone within Richardson's family is likely confused and extremely anxious about this event, the possibility of misinterpreting that sort of medical information grows all the time. In short, we should continue to discount the rumors of brain death, no matter which source reports them, until such a time that either the family makes a statement or it's evident that a reliable source is doing more than reporting the rumor printed in another work. I will say however that when the time comes, it may be worthwhile mentioning that there was a rumor of brain death started shortly after the accident. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 07:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It's absolutely factual at this point that she was flown to NYC, after being transferred from the Canadian hospital. She is now in a NYC hospital. where both her mother and sister visited her. Can someone please add this one thing in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simplemines (talk • contribs) 09:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Fox News is not a valid source of anything. 24.29.219.27 (talk) 11:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Except for innuendo, rumors, and baldface lies. Safety Cap (talk) 14:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget car chases. Its car chase coverage is second to none. Gunstar hero (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Unless a news source is something better than a rumor mill, we have nothing new to discuss here. I'm marking this section as archive. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 16:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Natasha's Accident

A source at the ski resort where Natasha was staying tells ET that the actress, who is the wife of actor Liam Neeson and daughter of actress Vanessa Redgrave, was taking a private ski lesson on a beginner slope. The actress fell down near the bottom, at which point the ski instructor called ski patrol. As of that time, there was no apparent injury and Natasha said she was fine.

The ski instructor accompanied Natasha back to her hotel room, where she later began complaining of headaches and saying she wasn't feeling well.

At that point, the hotel called 911. The actress was conscious between her fall and the time she left the hotel, and a police spokesperson tells ET that she continued to maintain consciousness on the ambulance ride to the hospital.

Originally Natasha was taken to a hospital near the resort, but was later transferred to a hospital in Montreal. Most people say that she might be brain dead from the accident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.130.114 (talk) 01:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

http://www.accesshollywood.com/how-the-media-is-covering-the-natasha-richardson-breaking-news_article_15692 Access Hollywood have a good overview of the media coverage so far. 121.73.45.7 (talk) 01:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Natasha is dead. People Magazine and other major entertainment news sources have all reported it. There has been no "official announcement," but that doesn't change the truth of the matter. Uncle Dick (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Italian news

Italy's RAI Uno and Canale 5 both have definitely stated that she is dead. I'm sorry to hear it, however the article does need to be changed to show this sad but true fact.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The problem is not that a number of media sources have reported her death, but that other media outlets are at the same time reporting the death claims are false. --Allen3 ^talk 13:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. Here in Italy, they reported her death early this morning. Perhaps we should wait at least another 24 hours before updating the article, which by that time the true facts should have emerged. Reporting a person's death is always such a delicate, sensitive business. One cannot be too pre-emptive.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

In NY

The BBC is reporting that she is in NY's Lenox Hill hospital[4] Can this be added please as it's a reputable source? 86.147.162.82 (talk) 14:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks decent. If there's no objection, the last paragraph of the personal life section should have the following wikicode appended:

Richardson was flown by private jet to [[Lenox Hill Hospital]] in [[Manhattan]] and visited by her sons and mother.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7949810.stm|title=Richardson's family at hospital|date=2009-03-18|publisher=[[BBC News]]|accessdate=2009-03-18}}</ref>

I know I protected it, but yes, that addition is fine so I've added it. As I said above, any admin may lift the protection before the expiry, and anyone can request unprotection at requests for page protection should they see it necessary to. Thanks. Acalamari 16:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)