Talk:One World Trade Center

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FALSE?

what do you mean? Freedom tower was indeed canceled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.247.133 (talk) 06:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Source? Fletcher (talk) 17:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

It was never cancelled. If it was, there would have been relevant media coverage as well as a press conference about the status of the site. 71.91.49.242 (talk) 06:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Anybody have a Construction update?

The last update on the Freedom Tower's construction is from October 10, 2008. The last photo posted is from September 2008. Surely someone has an update they can post....? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.59 (talk) 23:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You should be able to find any news or updates [1] at the link provided to the left. It's the official website for the World Trade Center. 71.91.49.242 (talk) 23:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

It's shameful that it has taken so long to build nothing, and such a hideous design too. What happened to that beautiful shard-like design it was going to have ?

I was going to ask if the photos posted MUST be ours. There is a really good photo taken today on SkyScraperCity's forums taken by someone else. I would imagine permission to use it would be needed by him? 68.51.41.46 (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Symbolic height vs. architectural height

I keep bringing the building's height back down to 1,368 or 1,362 feet at the roof's parapet or at the top of the top floor. One of these two heights is the "height of the building", per usual architectural practice. Communications towers and decorative elements placed atop the roof are not considered when specifying the height of a building. Naturally, it needs to be said that the communications spire was designed such that the total height of it and the building would be 1,776 feet, symbolic of 1776, the year of the United States' Declaration of Independence. This emotional factoid must not be allowed to muddy the standard given height of 1,362 or 1,368, depending on whether the parapet is considered. Binksternet (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of the height being architectural or symbolic, the total height of the Freedom Tower is still 1,776 feet. That specific height has been used by every news organization across the globe. Also, that height statistic hasn't been changed prior to your edit. If reputable and revered news organizations like CNN, BBC, and MSNBC all say that the Freedom Tower will rise to 1,776 feet, then the height should be kept as that. Also the organizations that are a part of the construction of the Freedom Tower also state that the building will rise to 1,776 feet. It is one thing to do a personal comparison and editing between the two heights, but it is another thing to take matters into your own hands and not listen to sources like the Port Authority or news organizations altogether. BalticPat22 Pat 20:09, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I acknowledge the many reliable sources reporting the height as 1776 feet. Everybody loves the symbolism! It's so much more newsworthy to connect the tower's total height to an emotional number related to the founding of the country than to report that the height is either a) the same as 1 WTC or b) the same as 2 WTC. What's ignored by all of these fine sources is the established architectural standard whereby communications masts and spires are generally not added to total building height. Even though the Chrysler Building's spire was counted as defining its height, most later buildings don't have such masts, communications towers and spires incorporated into the basic height of the building. For instance, the Bank of China Tower, Hong Kong lists its height as a thousand feet even though the communications mast extends to 1,205 feet. The Freedom Tower can't be immune to such longtime standards. Binksternet (talk) 06:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat uses four methods of measurement but the main method of measurement includes the height of the spire. Also Binksternet one of the books you linked to says that "Spires do count in determining total height" while the other book you linked to is from the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. If you visit their website you would see that they list 1,776 feet for the height of the Freedom Tower. --GrandDrake (talk) 06:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you understand correctly. It isn't a matter of what you think media sources should be saying, it is what they are saying. Not only that, but both the Port Authority of New York and the World Trade Center website's state the building's height to be 1,776 feet. Symbolic or not, that is the height of the Freedom Tower. Now, the height of the building in this article hasn't been changed since it's creation and it shouldn't be changed just because your opinion doesn't agree. It isn't up to you to change an already established fact that has been cited from sources ranging from The Washignton Post to the WTC's own website. You can cite book references all you want, but until the majority of sources suddenly change in your favor, you're argument is done with. BalticPat22Pat 18:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Having the spire included or not is always the subject of debate when coming up with actual height of buildings. Yet, inlcuded seems to be the most used option for any building including Burj Dubai and Petronias Towers. You can debate whether to put top mechanical floor, top occupied floor, celing of top numbered floor, top walkable surface... all day, but 1776 feet is going to be the most common and the most used yardstick. --Triadian (talk) 23:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Freedom Tower Reaches new Milestone

According to a New York Times Blog, the Freedom Tower is Now 100 feet above street level and climbing...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.59 (talk) 18:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Name Change

The "Freedom Tower" is increasingly being referred to in official documents as 1 World Trade Center. [2] It looks like the Governor Pataki coined name may be fading with his having left office. People need to be aware of which names are being used by the public, press and on official documents to determine if and when an article name change is necessary.Sturmovik (talk) 14:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Dunlap has been against the name Freedom Tower since July of 2007. If Dunlap wants to call it the 1 World Trade Center (which he does in his blogs) he can do so but unless the name Freedom Tower truly goes out of usage in the press I would be against a name change. --GrandDrake (talk) 21:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, will the writers consider "whose" freedom this tower will symbolize? Given the MESS we are in, I would hope it would not represent the restoration of the freedom of the few vs. the deprivation of the many. --Gentle reader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.165.130 (talk) 01:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

According to WCBS the port authority of NY&NJ says it's not the Freedom Tower and is just "One World Trade Center" ([3]). I think we need to retitle the page refering to the previous 1WTC and change this page's name to that. Freedom Tower can redirect to one world trade center, however Wikipedia should side with the owners of the building. (Drumz0rz (talk) 00:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC))

Agreed, Freedom Tower is not the official name anymore. A move is needed. — Red XIV ^(talk) 04:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree the article should be moved to One World Trade Center. It is the legal name, and the one preferred by the Port Authority. (AP via Google) --Zimbabweed (talk) 04:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

How do we account for both "One World Trade Center" buildings?

One thing that should be taken into account...the former North twin tower was also called "One World Trade Center". We have now heard news that the Freedom Tower is now One World Trade Center. It seems as though there should be a way to distinguish this new building from the original one constructed in 1970, either by calling this one One World Trade Center (2013) or the original structure One World Trade Center (1970). Thoughts? Sirkan (talk) 16:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I added an "other uses" statement to the article to distinguish it for now. I can see this getting a little confusing in the future as new buildings are built and renamed. Who knows, there might be another 2, 3, 4 WTC in the future. There should definitely be some sort of protocol in place to figure out how to name the structures. Sirkan (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What about Silverstien asking for a bailout?

I recently heard about Larry S. asking for approximately $4 billion for bailout. Should this be added to the page, or just left out? This update seems important for the "2009 Construction" section.