Talk:Cameron (Terminator)

Evil?

It seems she is trying to collect parts to build a terminator and/or design skynet. At the end of episode 6 it is shown that reese did kill andy, yet he left without taking the computer, turk. Who did take the computer? She seems to be expressing grief for killing the T-888 She looks about to smother reese with the pillow before Sarah comes in (she is worried he will recognise her, as he obviously does?) The title introduction says Skynet sent back some to kill john, one to help - implying Skynet sent her back. 87.194.193.49 (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

And? All of this is near baseless speculation. We have no idea why she's collecting bits and pieces of other Terminators. The Russian Good wa spartnered with is implied to be the one who has the Turk by Derek. We have no idea whose grief she is expressing regarding the note, or why she's even writing the note. She's standing next to Reese with the pillow, she could have simply been bringing it to him. Any speculation regarding her motivations and intentions thus far is just that: speculation, with no real hard evidence of what she's intending. Peptuck (talk) 08:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

She's a terminator, she doesn't kill people by strangling them with pillows, she snaps their neck with her index finger and thumb. There was nothing sinister about the pillow. --Joffeloff (talk) 13:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Possibly she's securing her own existence or following unknown orders. Next there is the problem of different time lines, the moment a backward time jump is made history is rewritten after all. --Scandum 15:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scandum (talk • contribs)

I do agree with your last part- the voiceover during the title sequence implies that Skynet sent Cameron back, not John (even though it has also been stated that John sent her back). I believe this is a clue, as such an inconsistency is not likely to have been overlooked, especially in the title sequence. I have no suggestions for an edit to reflect this though; guess we'll have to wait and see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.137.207 (talk) 05:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Her real name

If anyone else watches the show, they'd know her real name is Allison. This is documented and verifiable, so it is NOT VANDALISM. Please explain how it is.

Based on the last episode, Allison was the woman Cameron was based upon. They are not the same. Maybe you should wait until the end of the show before editing Wikipedia. Fletcher (talk) 01:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It's Alison with one L also - you see her write the name at the halfway house in the Ep and it is spelled "Alison" - Also, what's this bit in the article about it not being clear if Alison is killed or not? The snap of her neck is a bit of a giveaway isnt it?70.180.211.82 (talk) 04:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The episode's name is listed as "Allison from Palmdale" so it is an inconsistency as to whether her name is spelled with one or two L's.Mraven15 (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Seems she was killed, but then again Jodie survived the same kind of choking. Who knows. Either way, Cameron seems to be reverting into Alison and making Alison's memories her own. --A.Molnar (talk) 16:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I added to the "Unexplained Behaviour" section regarding this irregularity.Mraven15 (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Cameron killed Allison. That's pretty obvious. Even if the snapping of her neck wasn't a dead giveaway, the fact that her eyes were stayed open would be. If she had just become unconcious, her eyes would have closed. The Terminator that became Cameron killed her and used her likeness for its flesh covering. As far as Cameron's model number and series, that's still debatable. We're still discussing this at the Terminator Wiki (terminator.wikia.com).

The spelling of Allison's name is unimportant. If it's spelled differently on the wall, that's just a writer mistake. They've been making a lot of those. Think of Martin Bedell. There were three of them in the phone book. But, why would a 16 year old and a ten year old be in the phone book? Also, the writers state that the T-888 (Cromartie, Vick) chassis comes in a variety of sizes. This goes contrary to everything that the Terminator Franchise has stated in the past; all endoskeletons that belong to a particular series are identical in every way. It's things like this that make me wonder if the writers are even fans of the Franchise.

Shawn Crapo 14:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sec 1971 (talk • contribs)

What part of the franchise? Surely it’d be more logical for the model number to determine the size?
From a writing perspective- every Terminator with that model number would be played by the same actor.
From a Skynet perspective- it’s illogical to go to all that effort to copy someone’s face then to put it on a Terminator that’s too tall to possibly be that person.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.77.89 (talk) 10:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Cyborg vs Gynoid

Isn't calling Cameron a Gynoid more correct than cyborg? Therubicon (talk) 22:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

No. 'Gynoid' is a female form of 'android'. It is also crass and indicates ignorance of the Greek lanugage. 'Cyborg' is a term derived from 'cybernetic organism' and is asexual. 24.18.154.183 (talk) 04:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Characteristics and Unexplained Behavior

These two sections contain over a dozen paragraphs and only one source. I'll give it a couple of days, and then I'm removing both sections completely unless someone else does it before me. That is, unless plenty of sources are added. Otherwise, those two entire sections look like little more than fan reactions and commentary. Chicken Wing (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment of the sections, but the source is the show. I have been watching over these SCC related articles since the season's premier and there are a lot of opinionated edits, which I revert, but I don't like deleting information that is true, even though the articles are looking like "Terminator Wikia". --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

If that's the case, I think the show's episodes, producers, DVD commentary, official literature, or critical reviews should be cited to get that information -- at least for the "characteristics" part. The "unexplained behavior" is almost certainly original fan research and speculation. Chicken Wing (talk) 02:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The 'characteristics' section still seems very out-of-place and more suited to a fan-site than an encyclopedia. I feel that it should be summarily removed. 24.18.154.183 (talk) 04:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move Parsecboy (talk) 01:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Cameron Phillips → Cameron (Terminator) — Per WP:COMMONNAME, this character is "Cameron" and in-universe, "Cameron Phillips" was a one show alias, she's predominantly referred to as "Cameron Baum" in multiple shows now. — 76.66.195.63 (talk) 09:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support: Naming conventions suggest that the most commonly-used name for an individual should be used as the title. While "Cameron Phillips" has been used in publicity materials outside the show, within the show itself, which, by definition, has to be the primary source, the "Phillips" surname was only used in the pilot episode and, as far as I can remember, has never been mentioned since. Since that time, she's gone with "Baum", following the alias assumed by the Connors and, while I know that we should never assume anything on Wikipedia, it seems likely that, should that alias change, she would go with whatever the new name was. There's certainly no evidence that "Phillips" was anything more than an assumed surname, much as "Baum" is now. With Cameron being the only consistently used name, it seems reasonable that the article name should be altered to reflect that. --Tailkinker (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• Support: Of course... ---< Nicht Nein! (talk) 01:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

As mentioned in a previous section above, season two credits list her as "Cameron" 76.66.195.63 (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Samson & Delilah

In "Samson and Delilah", Cameron sustains significant damage...
John substantially repairs her chip in the field and reactivates her.

It's very unlikely that John could be able to repair such a highly advanced chip. Might be the reason why we could only see him cleaning it. --StYxXx (talk) 05:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Reprogrammed?

SPOILER BELOW!!!

"At some point, she is captured and reprogrammed by John and/or his subordinates to serve as their ally"

Has it been established that she was reprogrammed? So far, we assume that's the only way machine join the humans, but in Today is the Day part 2, it's revealed that they asked the t1000/1001 if it would join the humans. And earlier, when Cameron was interrogating Allison Young, she said there are some machines that want peace. It's logical to assume she was lying, but given that they do sometimes ask machines to join them, it seems less far fetched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thespyofcharles (talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Cameron herself said she was reprogrammed and her memories scrubbed in "Dungeons & Dragons." Peptuck (talk) 17:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)