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I do enjoy editing here. I also edit at the terminator wiki at terminator.wikia.com--I know you don't run this, but I think it's a more friendly site with contributors who work together to create good articles. Here, it's different. Everyone seems to delete everything they don't personally agree with (even if sources are cited). It's all a big competition to see who can get their own name (and edits) to the top of the dung heap. If these people continue to delete my edits for this reason, I might as well just delete my own account. That's bullshit, and I consider it vandalism. Something that is common knowledge shouldn't have to have a million references. Besides, most of the references found in articles in this site are from other websites. What makes anyone think these sites are any more accurate than something that's just spewed out of the mouth of a psychotic homeless person on a street corner? Could I put the phrase "George W. Bush is half lizard, and eats babies for lunch while fingering his own ass" on my website and call this a reliable source? Probably not, but that's basically the way most of the editors here are siting their sources. Make up your minds, are require deletions to be DISCUSSED FIRST before finalized. We're not Nazis here, common knowledge is common knowledge. Would I need a reference to say that Bill Clinton was threatened with impeachment due his liaisons with Monica? I think not, because everyone knows this.....

PS. Concerning my recent contribution that was deleted, I'm 99.9% sure that getting your head slowly sawed off with a knife doesn't tickle (as, I'm sure, everyone will agree).

Shawn Crapo (talk) 04:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Watch it with the attacks please. I'm sorry that you just can't deal with the way we do things here. Some things are indeed common knowledge, but we generally go for reliable sources. I can imagine that something like a newspaper article would be accurate. There's no way you can delete your account though, it just doesn't work that way. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

That wasn't an attack on anyone. I was basically stating my frustraion with the fact that my contributions are always deleted but there are hundreds of articles here with absolutely no reliable info, or info that is strictly media garbage (case in point, Nick Berg). Newspapers never cite sources, so there's no way to tell if the words you see are accurate. They get shit wrong all the time. That's why they have a correction section (Can you say 'the newspaper erred')? Shawn Crapo (talk) 04:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Still, we operate in good faith. There're many articles under construction, sure, and many that lack sources, but you can always fix it yourself, or ask someone else to fix it. That's the whole point of this being a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit; we all work together to try and make it better, even if it's far from being complete. Admittedly I'm a big complainer in real life, but I do at least know that it's better to try and find a solution than to complain. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 05:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

That was my point, basically. My last edit was deleted without even a discussion or any time to properly put the sources in. Sometimes you get halfway through the edit and have to leave in a hurry. Nobody wants to have to rewrite their edit later on, it's never as good as the first time. It just seems like these particular two users are targeting me for some reason. And, yes, it's been the same two every time. One of them isn't even an Admin to my knowledge. Shawn Crapo (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Article Creation

{{help me}} I f I want to actually create an article do I have to write it all at once, or is there some way to save it before publishing it?

Shawn Crapo (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• You can create a sandbox at User:Sec 1971/Sandbox if you want to work on the article first before moving it out into article space. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 21:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You can write a STUB and then expand from there or start in userspace as TenPoundHammer mentioned. See also: Your first article and the Drawing board. Cheers --Jeremyb (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a good idea to quickly provide sources for things that might be controversial, though. If you say "Michael Jackson was the greatest singer ever (source pending)", it's likely to be reverted pretty fast. Generally speaking, though, people are willing to be patient as long as you don't make unsourced assertions that they think are probably wrong. Looie496 (talk) 05:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Problems with your edit on Decapitation

I removed the edit because first it was unsourced. Any unsourced edit can be summarily removed. Second, it contained several errors: the Zabihah is performed with a slicing, not a sawing motion. The execution of the animal is meant to drain it from as much as possible of its blood, granted, but the addition "before the heart stops" is both dubious and unnecessary. And lastly but most importantly, it is done to minimize the pain of the execution (short of stunning) for the animal, which is plain contrary to what you state in the paragraph.--Ramdrake (talk) 13:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Then any sentence you've deemed dubious could ahve been removed or changed. The entire paragraph did not have to be removed. I feel it necessary to reference the insurgents' murders, and the method used. If you have seen any of the videos, you'd notice that before the beheading actually takes place, the group is usually qiuetly chanting "Zabihah, Zabihah>" Then, when the killing begins, they chant "Allahu Ackbar (Allah is Great)". Sometimes the executioner him/herself silently mouths the words (in the case of Kenneth Bigley). They don't always completely cover their faces. On a side note, I find it odd that these victims stoicly accept their own imminent demise. I don't know about you, but I would kicking and screaming and attacking them. Getting shot would be much better than beheading.

Shawn Crapo (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Please also note that neither of your references make a connection between the Zabihah ritual slaughtering technique and the beheadings, and as such is original research, which is forbidden as per WP:NOR. These nmay be things you have seen on the videos, but you'd need a reliable source pointing it out for it to be admissible on Wikipedia.--Ramdrake (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you think it should just be a seperate article, with reliable sources? If so, I would be hard pressed to think of a name. Perhaps we could work together? I'll create a sandbox and experiment, and I'll let you check it for admissibility. When it looks acceptable to you, then we can submit it. No hard feelings, I just think the violence should be documented here somehow.

BTW, I'm 1/4 French. haha. 3/4 Irish. That's one hell of mix, eh? Shawn Crapo (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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I actually tried to add it to the REAPER page, but it won't display for some reason. I don't know why, I'm pretty sure there are other .gif files used here, but this one won't display. I'll try to convert it to .jpg and re-add to the article Shawn Crapo 23:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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{{help me}} Go ahead and delete both images. Neither one of them will display on the page, anyway. I don't know what the problem is. I'm familiar with Wiki markup as I work at Terminator.wikia.com but the infobox doesn't appear to be working correctly. Windows Vista's infobox (which is identical, appears to work OK, though. I give up. Someone else do it. Shawn Crapo 23:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

You did the wrong formatting. It should be been [[Image:Reaper20-small.jpg]]. You seem to have missed some of that. In any case, I added it for you :) NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 23:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair-Use Rationale

Hey, do you mind filling in the blank information here. I figured that you would know it because you uploaded the image :) Thanks :) NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 23:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what license is required. It's a screenshot of a non-free but unrestricted shareware program. Feel free to tell me what template to add. Otherwise, why don't you just do it? What difference does it make who adds it? We're supposed to be working together, not challenging each other to use the proper template. As I said, go ahead and delete it. I really couldn't care less. I was just trying to help by adding a screenshot so that people would understand how the GUI is similar to Acid Pro, despite minor cosmetic differences. C'mon, man. I did my part, do yours. No hostility intended. 00:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Kumans

I have, since 2010 tried to add a new theory of the Kumans origin with crystal clear explanations, but everyone on that page attacked with various ridiculous comments. I had at one time put up a perfectly reasonable ethnicity section but that was removed - I am having a lot of arguments with these guys and it never ends - as they are clearly opposed to any other theory of their ethnicity except Turkic. I said they could have been Iranic since they were blond with blue eyes -something which is impossible, in genetics, to happen naturally to Turkic people (and Chinese, African etc). I then mentioned that just becasue their language was Turkic does not necessarily mkean that they were Turkic in genes - their language could have been lingua franca. You simoply do not get blond and blue eyed Turks in the world - it is impossible and it never happens (unless they are mixed with a caucasian), just like a chinese person will never be blond with blue eyes - it just doesnt happen (Turkey has exceptions since a lot of the Ottomans mixed with the native greek population that was all over anatolia). They then respond that I am "retarted" and that I need to provide sources that blond hair does not happen in Turkic people (how do you provide a source for something like that - something that is a fact and is known- its like providing a source that blond hair does not occur in Chinese - its known by everyone and is common sense and a person can see for themselves). Clearly strong sentiment exists against Iranic people or something, because otherwise it doesnt make sense why these editors would forfeit their common sense and basic genetic knowledge to oppose me - and every time they delete my edits they never consult and discuss the core of the problem - like that blond hair does not naturally occur in Turkic people, they always just throw the wiki rules at me, and twist them, saying these edits are unexeptable and need sources. For an article to be NPOV, all major views must be mentioned (a wiki rule) - but they do not seem to understand that - there is also a wiki rule (forgot exact name) - something like "ignore all rules" if using wiki rules goes against common sense - like in this case where blond hair cannot occur in Turkic people - all cultures that came into contact with the Cumans clearly stated that they were blond with blue eyes - their names - Folban, Vallani, Kun and Polovtsy all mean blond for goodness sake. The pictures of the Cumans on the internet - a lot of them were drawn blond for a reason - I have seen them. After explaining my points so clearly I just really dont see what the trouble is. To really understand what I am talking about, please, please read the past edits that I made - anan ip of 41 (in the edit history - I think I started somewhere around March, April 2010 - please take a look at my past edits, my edit coments all through to now, under ip 41 and the current one, and also read the discussion page) I am sending you this message since I read in the talk page that your uncle said thatey were descendeds of the Sarmatian (who were Iranic) - so you might agree with me on this, and maybe you can help at the Cuman page - my point is also that blond hair does occur naturally in Iranic people (though it was more common in ancient times before some, not all, of Iranian people mixed with Arabs from the Arab invasian and Azeri Turks), but it still happens today - there are numerous pictures on the net with blond Iranian women, for example —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.232.75.208 (talk) 15:02, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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