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Genre...

Just wanted to say that I have no idea where you people are getting heavy metal from. The absolute CLOSEST Avenged gets to metal is probably alternative MAYBE in Scream and probably Unbound. Zacky V himself states Afterlife is pop rock. Everything else is hard rock on the self titled. They haven't done metalcore since the 2001-2004 or whenever they toured for Waking the Fallen.

Also there's some serious unecessary and inaccurate name dropping in the article. Early releases sounding like Bullet for my Valentine and TRIVIUM? I can understand some similarities between A7x and B4MV but TRIVIUM? Trivium is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum to A7x. Saying that they have ANYTHING in common is fairly inaccurate. Very biased article that would misinform the reader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just because they aren't metal anymore (which they are, I'm being hypothetical) doesn't mean the genre should be removed. If they are or have at any point been that genre, it needs to be on that list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.17.22 (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to genres.63.3.17.130 (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)Bobit1363.3.17.130 (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GENRE

Their genres are:

If anyone disagrees, just say so here. --↑ɻ⅞θʉɭђɥл₮₴Ṝ 23:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, they definitely used a form of heavy metal on City of Evil, as well as to a degree on Avenged Sevenfold. James25402 (talk) 10:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't personally feel they qualify as heavy metal overall, I will for one acknowledge that City of Evil had enough of a metal influence to warrant mentioning it in the info box. Metalcore doesn't fit, because not everything that in -some- way blends metal and hardcore is metalcore. Sludge metal bands often blend the two, yet they're not classed as metalcore. Personally, I'd say "post-hardcore" and some kind of "rock" tag are suitable, as is a basic "heavy metal" tag to go with their later works, I suppose. Prophaniti (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would say their Genres are Metalcore, Heavy Metal, and Hard Rock. On the first two albums they were Metalcore, before that they were a Hardcore Punk band, on City of Evil they made half the songs Speed Metal and half the songs more Heavy Metal. The Self-Titled album was Hard Rock with Critical Acclaim being Heavy Metal and showing some symptoms of Nu-Metal. They are not and never were Post-Hardcore! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They don't have any Metalcore in them anymore. So someone tell me why Avenged Sevenfold should still be considered as such. Where the f*** do you see Nu-Metal in there ? Nu-Metal was an umbrella term for late 90's elitists to put everything that wasn't "true to the spirit of metal and steel" in the same basket. Speed Metal doesn't even exist anymore, it's either thrash or power. They are Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal to some degree. Honestly, it should be their sole niches. Those are their main influences anyway. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I'll be removing "Post-Hardcore" from the genre section on the page, because it is irrelevant to place Avenged Sevenfold in a genre with which they have strictly nothing in common. If you see how Avenged Sevenfold fits with From First To Last, Glassjaw or Enter Shikari, please do tell. I'll be happy to leave alone then. Just because they cater to the same crowds don't mean they are the same genres.PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Might I correct something here? The opening states "Avenged Sevenfold is an American hard rock band formed in Huntington Beach, California..." , I have great discomfort on keeping that since they sang mostly metal (metalcore, and recently, Heavy Metal) and almost no Hard Rock. Please dub them Heavy Metal (or at least metal) on the opening paragraph.--F-22 Raptor IV 04:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I disagree on the genre being metalcore, heavy metal, and hard rock. I would say metalcore, heavy metal, and alternative metal. I would call the first two albums metalcore, City of Evil heavy metal, and the self-titled album alternative metal. There are songs on that album that I would consider alternative metal, and the more hardcore songs Critical Acclaim (Metalcore) and Almost Easy (Heavy Metal) even out the less hardcore songs, like Unbound (The Wild Ride) (Hard Rock) and Brompton Cocktail (Hard Rock).

Anyways if you are wondering, these are what I consider are the genres for each song:

1. Critical Acclaim: Metalcore

2. Almost Easy: Heavy Metal

3. Scream: Alternative Metal

4. Afterlife: Alternative Metal

5. Gunslinger: Hard Rock

6. Unbound (The Wild Ride): Hard Rock

7. Brompton Cocktail: Hard Rock

8. Lost: Hard Rock

9. A Little Piece of Heaven: Hard Rock

10. Dear God: Country Rock (=/) Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, I wouldn't think that their latest album is metalcore, Critical Acclaim is not as intenese as some of their other songs like Darkness Surrounding. Anyway, back to my argument. The opening statement I think should say that they are a metal band (metalcore, heavy metal) I don't care. They are not very Hard Rock--F-22 Raptor IV 22:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, well I was trying to say that the latest album is alternative metal. Zxcvghjk (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to discuss this, because I just don't want to make another edit to get attention. I'm saying overall, that Avenged Sevenfold is most, and if not, all of the heavy metal genre. I am not very sure on how hard rock got involved. Maybe in their latest albums, they did produce a few hard rock songs. But that does not make them a hard rock band like that. Regardless of my arguments with Zxcvghjk about specific albums, Metalcore and Alternative Metal are all subgenres of Heavy Metal.--F-22 Raptor IV 00:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was just saying that the self-titled was alternative metal. I agree that overall, they are heavy metal. Zxcvghjk (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heres how to break it down. On the first two demos that the band made, their genre was, Hardcore Punk. On the demo of Waking The Fallen, they changed their sound to Metalcore. They keep their genres as Metalcore from Warmness on the Soul, to Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, and Waking the Fallen. On City of Evil the band made a move towards Hard Rock, but they added features of Heavy Metal, so it became a mix of Heavy Metal & Hard Rock. Lastly, their latest album can't be classified as one distinct genre according to this interview:

Avenged Sevenfold interview w/Prime Video Magazine

But if the album had to be clasified, I'd say the closest thing it would be is, probably ALt. Metal/Hard Rock. The same goes for LBC. Bobit13 18:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Bobit13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobit13 (talk • contribs)

Since everyone can't really agree on this whole genre thing regarding the overall band, whether it is hard rock or metal, I have made them just rock, I probably should've mentioned this a little earlier.--F-22 Raptor IV 20:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that their first two albums are Screamo, CoE Metalcore and The selftitled Heavy Metal... Please follow the links and read why--Arneandre (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We have decided that the title will remain rock because of debate.--F-22 Raptor IV 23:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it'd make more sense if it said Alternative Metal instead of Hard Rock, since the self-titled album still had some elements of metal in it, songs like Critical Acclaim and Afterlife for example. Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


"the band has chosen to abandon the metalcore genre, developing a more punk metal/thrash style, very much like bands such as Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium." Surely it's a bad idea, if you're saying that the band has abandoned the metalcore genre to then compare theeir newer sound to two metalcore bands? 62.254.12.119 (talk) 00:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the sources point out that their newest album contains elements of hard rock and heavy metal. Do you have any sources to back you up?--F-22 Raptor IV 01:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my minded, A7X is more like hard orck, they even said in an interview that they went more towards the rock genre in the newest album. Zxcvghjk (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I dont see A7X as being heavy metal. metal, yes but not heavy metal. There may be elements of heavy metal in a few of their songs but this doesnt mean that the band are Heavy metal overall. Mr Deathbat (talk) 08:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Their new album may have had a hard rock influence on it, but Avenged Sevenfold is still a metal band more than anything else! i don't see why people have to argue this so much because if you really listen to the music and the riffing they still use a lot of metal techniques as oppose to hard rock. A7X IS A METAL BAND.

matt wendt

who the hell is matt wendt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.140.215 (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Wendt was Avenged Sevenfold's original bassist, he only recorded on the early demos though. NTurner42 —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any references for this ? PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A reference is the "All Excess" dvd a few years back by Avenged Sevenfold. Zacky talks about the inception of the band and Matt Wendt.ThickerThanWater19 (talk) 07:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be right if i were to put matt wendt in the former members section in the info box Mr Deathbat (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discography: Diamonds in the Rough

The link for Diamonds in the Rough in the Discography section of the Avenged Sevenfold page directs to the professional wrestling stable "The Diamonds in the Rough." I don't think it should be leading there...I'm just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bspinebuster (talk • contribs) 01:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Credited for renewing interest in hard rock/heavy metal?

They are highly credited for bringing the traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound (that bands like Guns N' Roses and Metallica created) back to the public eye.

Would someone care to back this statement up with a citation? As far as I can see, a great deal of people still don't like the band due to their metalcore past and the fact they are pretty mainstream for a metal band, while a great deal of the band's detractors still believe the band have nothing to do with traditional heavy metal. I like the band, but it seems that a statement like this cannot go unsupported.

Also, how exactly did Guns N' Roses and Metallica create the (or even A) traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound? Surely that would be bands like Deep Purple, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Black Sabbath... Making unsubstanstiated claims like this make the article look weaker. Metallica were never a traditional hard rock/heavy metal band, even though their sound from the early-late 90s resembled this style more than anything else. While they were closer to heavy metal than anything else, their form of heavy metal had more to do with slowed down thrash metal riffs than actual heavy metal. Their supposed 'hard rock' also had a great deal of influence from alternative music. James25402 (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone said they were pop rock. That would give them the same genre as the Jonas Brothers. They sound totally different so I changed the sentence stating that they were. Please don't vandalise the page like that! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, even though a reference would be a good idea, Avenged Sevenfold AND OTHERS are part of a batch of bands who brought back the heavier kinds of metal to the mainstream. You didn't hear much double-bass and drop-tuning on commercial radio before 2005 and City Of Evil kinda got out in the right time-frame. Around the same time Bullet For My Valentine, Bleeding Through, et al. all got an album out that rode the wave that Avenged Sevenfold started. Even earlier, Killswitch Engage and all the Massachusetts scene already had got some excellent coverage from major labels and publications. Those American bands should be credited with the return of metal in the mainstream and unfortunately for some, Avenged Sevenfold was one of the most visible. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Diamonds in the Rough

Why hasn't anyone put the diamonds in the rough on the discography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddr-freak101 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC) It was but someone removed it! BlueGoat (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Well frankly, it doesn't belong there because that isn't an actual album, just a bunch of B-sides. Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bassist Johnny Christ

He is the third bassist, unless I'm mistaken. Not the fourth, which it is listed under the Inception category under history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antmanx24 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to the current information relating to this mysterious "Matt Wendt" he seems to be the fourth. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Wendt was on the All Excess DVD when they talk about the inception of the band. Johnny is the 4th bassist. ThickerThanWater19 (talk) 07:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Single

{{editsemiprotected}} In the single's section,a single should be added. Avenged Sevenfold has come out with a recent single titled "Crossroads"

 Done Please consider the benifits registering an account. Best, HiDrNick! 20:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New album planned

When Avenged Sevenfold recently played at my college, UCF, they announced that they'd be taking time off in the future to work on their next studio album. Should this be in the article? I don't have any solid sources, just what M Shadows said on stage that night. --CanesOL79 (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should not, because hearsay is not a solid reference by Wikipedia's standards. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 03:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


PICTURE

Somebody needs to change this picture of Avenged Sevenfold... In my boredom I check this page at least five times a week and I just want to see new (and better) picture!!!WaltDaMan (talk) 18:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that, It is such a lame picture, and it has been up September, the earliest I saw it.--F-22 Raptor IV 01:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would change the picture but i don't know how to Mr Deathbat (talk) 14:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong about Gigantour

""The band is also linked to with a slot on this summer's Gigantour. A Revolution In Sound will be available to download and purchase on February 16, 2009, with the track, "Paranoid".""

this statement should be removed unless proof is supplied, the drummer and bassist for Megadeth have said Avenged Sevenfold WILL NOT be on gigantour anytime soon in an interview that can be found on Blabbermouth.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.110.20 (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Irony in genre section

Has anyone else noticed the line "On City of Evil, Avenged Sevenfold's third album, the band has chosen to abandon the metalcore genre, developing a more punk metal/thrash style, very much like bands such as Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium." That sounds very ironic to me. Those bands are metalcore and we are saying that by abandoning Metalcore A7X became more like those bands? Can someone fix this odd statement? KezianAvenger (talk) 02:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't see why we need that in the article when it is unsupported, but I disagree that this statement is contradictory. Trivium are a combination of metalcore/thrash metal and Bullet (according to wikipedia, at least) are a combination of metalcore/heavy metal. I'd tend to think that Bullet are more a combination of metalcore/thrash/heavy metal, but with a slight edge towards being metalcore (although their latest album has a lot more of the latter two styles than their first release). Either way, A7X, Trivium and Bullet all went from being simply metalcore bands to incorporating other styles into the mix and drastically cutting down the use of the metalcore style. James25402 (talk) 21:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chainsaw/New Song Hoax=

Pretty sure this is a hoax, only ONE person has mentioned it on their myspace, I have them added was on all day today and NEVER saw anything about it.

"On April 16, 2009, new Avenged Sevenfold song titled "Unwind the Chainsaw" was embedded onto the band's website, by surprising fans with a preview of the song. Fans got a chance to hear the song stream, while they browsed the site. Avenged Sevenfold guitarist had a conversation with fans on the band's official MySpace profile, claiming the title to be "Unwind the Chainsaw". The song is said to be released on the upcoming Avenged Sevenfold album." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.110.20 (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Avenged sevenfold is from Memphis, Tennessee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.150.36.225 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No Avenged Sevenfold are from Huntingdon Beach, California. Mr Deathbat (talk) 09:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three days grace?

The way this is stated sounds incredibly retarded. "No reps have got back to us on this" Why would that be in the article.

On April 20, 2009, frontman of Canadian band Three Days Grace was said to be in the studio with Matt. Adam Gontier of Three Days Grace has wrote "In the studio with Matt from A7X...sweet!". No reps have got back to us on this, but it was said on Adam's official Bebo profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatDarnBandit (talk • contribs) 06:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rock band

Avenged Sevenfold should be considered a "rock band" on the run-on in the article, for one, heavy metal is simply a subgenre of rock music. For two, it's mostly opinionated, and newcoming editors continuously changing "rock" to "heavy metal" is getting rather annoying. For the most part websites such as about.com has claimed them as "moving away from heavy metal and more into hard rock"[1] even in the allmusic review for A7X's sefl-titled album has claimed them as "pushing songs from the album into the non-metal territory"[2]. Avenged Sevenfold should be refered to as a "rock band", nothing more, nothing less. -- GunMetal Angel 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. By saying 'moving away from heavy metal and more into hard rock' could simply mean more than in the past. It does not in any way say that Avenged Sevenfold are more of a hard rock band than a heavy metal band. There are plenty of other sources which would disagree with this, too.
While you are correct that 'rock band' would be more neutral, I have yet to see any evidence that Avenged Sevenfold are regarded in the media as a rock band anywhere near as much as a metal band. Two of the bands main genres, heavy metal and metalcore, are metal genres as well. I would advise we change the opening to metal, as a great deal of the band's detractors hate the band for previously being 'metalcore', which is what a lot of people still associate with the band. Plain and simple. James25402 (talk) 11:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Metalcore and heavy metal are not two of the band's main genres. The traces of metalcore died out when their third album City of Evil was released. More accordingly hard rock and heavy metal are the two main genres of Avenged Sevevnfold, and upon all this is still all opinions while reliable sources such as about.com or allmusic has confirmed their hard rock traces as for heavy metal, only about 3 or 4 songs from their latest album can be considered metal, and even so, heavy metal is plainly a subgenre of rock music. - GunMetal Angel

Removal of the "Band name and lyrical content" section

Currently, the section has no reliable sources, and exclusively uses original research. Third party, reliable sources need to have reported on the lyrical content for it to meet encyclopedic standards. Most of the information can be implemented in other sections -- particularly in pages for the respective songs -- but on its own, the section doesn't add anything. I've done some rewriting on the page, and included the origination of the band name in the "Inception" section. I'm removing the section. Svernon19 (talk) 01:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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