Talk:India

GDP

The GDP numbers are too high by a factor of 1000. It should either be in billions, or $1.3 Trillion instead of $1,300 Trillion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealgandalf (talk • contribs) 18:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

therealgandalf (talk) 18:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Democracy in a Cast dominated society

There must be people who do not recognise India as a full democracy in view that its cast system resembles in many respects apartheid. At least the reference to the cast system should be in the opening paragraph and before any reference to the country's apparently democratic credentials. At least that is what seems right to me. Trompeta (talk) 19:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it is generally agreed that India is a democracy regardless of the extent to which the caste system exists in India. You will need to provide a reliable source to back up your assertion that India cannot be recognized as a full democracy because of the caste system and you will need to demonstrate that this is not a fringe view for it to be included in the opening paragraph.--RegentsPark (My narrowboat) 03:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

This is news to me!! So just becuase a few people in the US are racists , USA is not a democracy? Just who decides that a country is a "full democracy" or not? --Deepak D'Souza 04:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok This is a repeat telecast from the same editor:[1]. --Deepak D'Souza 05:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Good you found it. Racism in the US is not an institution, the cast system in India is very much an institution supported by the main religion of the country, that is why I suggest including it in the first paragraph as well as keeping the fact that India is a democracy. Trompeta (talk) 18:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

First, it's caste, not cast. Second, the caste sysetm is a social structure while democracy is a political institution. How did you arrive at the conclusion that the existence of a caste system debars India from being considered a "full democracy"? Rigid social structures continue to exist to this day in many parts of the world, including England; would you suggest therefore that the UK isn't a full democracy? Are you basing your assessment on reliable sources? If so, please indicate which ones. If not, this hypothetical connection cannot be included in this or any other Wikipedia article (see WP:OR). Thanks AreJay (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

A good many people in India have been condemning the caste (thank you) system, as well as during the latest elections: "India's poorest and most downtrodden people do 'dirty' jobs higher castes regard as 'polluting'." [2]. We cannot compare that with England and I do not think Mayawati would. In any case there are no class murders in England [3]. Thank you for your response. Trompeta (talk) 16:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The caste system is an institution??? Wow! In my entire life I have not come across any instutution named "Indian Institute of Caste" or something likewise. The caste system is not an institution. It is a social order that emerged out of Hinduism but is not exclusive to Hinduism alone. The caste system is a feature of Indian society. It is not India in itself. FYI: untouchability and caste based discrimination(indeed any kind of discrimination) have been outlawed by the Indian constitution. There are tougher laws for caste related crimes and affirmative measures to give the historically sidelined groups their due share. You don not have any adequeate knowledge about India or the caste system. You are merely using this page for your personal peeves. I will ignore any further posts from you on this topic. --Deepak D'Souza 04:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Caste sytem is a personal peeve? Perhaps we are communicating over a cultural gap my dear fellow editor. Even though I must accept that your explanation above is very resonable (even if, to paraphrase you, there is no British Institute of Democracy', ergo no democracy in Britain?). Trompeta (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

About freedom fighters of India

I want to say that only gandhi ji was not responsible for the freedom of india then why there are no names of other leaders as there is a list of great leaders ? I had tried posting the name of few leaders but it is getting deleted. please help me --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 09:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Let me repeat RegentPark's edit summary[4] for you:By 'led', one refers to the leader of vast numbers of people. The others 'contributed' rather than led.

True that all of them made contributions to India's freedom struggle, but each had a different method. Tilak died in 1920, much before the critial mass movements such as Quit India took place. Bhagat Singh and Bose were leaders of revolutionary movements that worked on the fringes of the freedom struggle as compared to the massive non-violent movement led by Gandhiji. All put together the present statement is justified, in my opinion. --Deepak D'Souza 12:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think he may have a point there; I don't think his dispute was wrt semantics. I think something to the effect that the struggle for independence included both non-violent movements (led by Gandhi) as well as more revolutionary campaigns by people like Bose, Bhagat Singh, etc. should be mentioned. I don't think the sentence as it now appears really captures the breadth of the struggle for independence. This can still be incorporated in WP:SS format. AreJay (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I recall there being an extended debate about this issue some time back. May be worth looking through the archives, so that we don't have to start from scratch. Abecedare (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The archive search function is great! Here is the ~400K discussion on the topic:

• /Archive 14 (all of it!)
• /Archive 15 (sections 5 and 14)
• /Archive 16 (sections 1 and 2)
• Also see this short history of IIM by F&F.

I think the conclusion last time was to expand and develop the Indian independence movement and add its summary to the History of India page, whose summary would then be added in this article. That way, (1) it would be easier to ensure due weight, and (2) we would end up developing the sub-articles where the reader can go for more detail. I know that the proposed process was started and User:Fowler&fowler and User:Rueben lys especially worked on many articles related to IIM biographies and events; but I am not sure if it was ever "completed". Abecedare (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good, wasn't aware that this had been discussed before. If there was consensus, I'm fine with it. Thanks AreJay (talk) 18:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it is important to keep in mind that this is a summary style article and detail should be kept to a minimum. Of the leaders mentioned, only Gandhi can be said to have 'led' the independence struggle. Bhagat Singh is a national hero but can hardly be classified as a leader. likewise, Subhas Chandra Bose's INA never really garnered the same level of popular resonance as Gandhi did. Tilak probably comes closer to being a national level leader but he was a bit early to really be credited for India's independence. I agree with Abecedare that building this into the History of India or Indian Independence Movement is the way to go. (This is regardless of the fact that neither Bhagat Singh nor S C Bose fit into the non-violent civil disobedience set - see the sentence in its entirety!) --RegentsPark (My narrowboat) 19:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think people hear are insulting Subhas Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh, Tilak Ji etc. How one can prove that only gandhi Ji was resoponsible for the freedome of india. Its ok he was one among the gr8 but he was not only. I think that atleas few big heros should be given respect by keeping there name on this main page of India. Ther is picture of Gandhi Ji so i think this heroes atlest are eligable to have there name on the page of India ( its ok if we dont put there pic and it is not possible also) Tilak Ji who had initated the struggle of Independence Gandhi Ji had just fallowed it. Bhagat Singh led his life for the freedom and after that people really awaken and started fighting for the freedom. So i think that atleast there name should be there. --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

No one here is insuting anyone. Talk pages are meant to discuss "How to write the article" not to comment about the subject itself. As pointed above this issue has been debated extensively before. There is no need to go through it again. You may go through the archives reffered to above and see what consensus was achieved. --10:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

On the comments on Tilak Ji i would like to say that Gandhi Ji joined Tilak Ji and was influnced by his views. I chalange that Only Gandhi Ji was not responsible for the Freedom of inda as there were many factors for the freedom. I agree on the point that it is difficult to list all the names but there should be some names who are prominent equal to Gandhi Ji the the freedom sturggle. As per the comments wiritten above if the discussion was taken place then why it is still not implemented. My point of view is only that few other names also should be there on the main page of India --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Sandeepsp4u, you just have to go through the archives and see what consensus was achieved. The discussions were very extensive and the current wording is based on those discussions. Sorry to say this but there is really no point in going through it all over again just because one editor does not like it. --Deepak D'Souza 09:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Deepak D'Souza the question is not that one editor is not liking it, i can bring 100 editors hear who wont like this then what will be done. The question hear is what is truth should be fallowed, i am discussing hear not for my linkings or dislinkings but only for provideing equall respect to all the great gems of our country. I just want to know that if the discusion had taken place earlier then why the changes had not beed made or it seems that this India page is owned by few people who only want there editings on the page. --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 05:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

No of district in India

The article India shows that there are 610 districts, The link supporting, the claim shows only 585 districts in India, But the Government of India says thare are only 604 districts, Please check out the below link:-

http://districts.nic.in/

Please update the portal accordinlying. as all user dosen't have right to update this article.

Hope to see changes soon. --Makks2010 (talk) 01:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out! I have corrected the number in this article as per the GOI reference.

Hopefully someone will take a look at List of districts of India and Districts of India to see where the discrepancies arise; they variously claim the number of districts to be 585, 611 and 625! Abecedare (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

topics abt indian defence

All the topics about indian defence forces n systems are vandalised with false information with referance to news sites based in pakistan. How come you take referances from pakistani news networks about indian defence to be neutral and trusted.

I hope wiki-india project users and wiki admistrators got my point and will look into this matter and clean up the topic to neutral standards. (Sushilkumarmishra (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC))

Please use the talk page to discuss about the article itself, not to discuss related topics. You cna discuss this issue at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. --Deepak D'Souza 04:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

India is a member of G-20 major economies, WTO, and the UN

I had to make an addendum to the topic mentioning the fact that India is a member of G-20 major economies, WTO, and the United Nations (UN). Svr014 (talk) 19:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the added sentence from the lede because:

• UN, WTO memberships are hardly unexpected or distinctive for a country; and even G20 is not that big a deal compared to say UN security council etc.
• It is always difficult to pick and choose which organizations are most important and such additions inevitably invite creation of long lists.

That said, I recall that there was a navigational template at the bottom of the article listing all the organizations India is a member of (UN, WTO, SAARC, WHO, NAM, IOC, ...). Does anyone know what happened to the template or if I am just mis-remembering ? If the latter, it would be worth creating one. Abecedare (talk) 05:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Agree, especially UN, everyone is in it except divided countries, even some borderline-unreal countries are in there and I guess someone will say "what about".... eg Pakistan but that was a terrible FA (now delisted) YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I ask you to reinstate the added line that says that India is a member of the UN, WTO, and G-20 major economies. Look at South Korea (SK) introduction paragraphs. It says the same about SK. Abecedare, please do not vandalize the content posted on wikipedia. I have reported to the Administrator of English Wikipedia about this vandalism. Svr014 (talk) 15:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Abecedare and YellowMonkey on this. Svr014, please don't mark this type of edits as "minor edit". It wasn't a minor edit. Abecedare hasn't vandalize anything, so there is no need to take any actions against him. Please work with Abecedare and reach a consensus. AdjustShift (talk) 16:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)