Talk:The Goon

Alternate 30's

Does The Goon really take place in an alternate 30's? Is there exacting evidence? Even the automobiles don't fit this.

I'm gonna try chaning it to an "Unspecified time during the classic noir era (1940-1958)."

Gnrlotto 02:50, December 22, 2005

Movies made in "classic noir era" do not necessarily take place during that time. Audioweevil 02:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Chinatown

I have removed unsubstantiated claims that the references to Chinatown in The Goon are in fact references to Roman Polanski's film. There is simply no evidence to support this, especially considering a graphic novel is currently in production entitled 'Chinatown' that explains the events referenced. Audioweevil 09:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that he peppers his comics with movie references to films is not in contention (otherwise you'd have removed the mentions of Blue Velvet). Moving on, the article doesn't imply that the comic metafictionally references the movie, "Chinatown," only that the Goon's constant references to a bad thing happening with a woman and and it being a place he never wants to speak about are blatant references to identical events in the film itself. Thusly, whether or not Powell is writing what happened in Chinatown to Goon, the mentions of it are nudging-winks to Polanski's film.Gnrlotto 04:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you are approaching the topic with a very simplistic view of self-referential pop culture. Of course I do not overlook the fact that the inclusion of the topic is an unavoidable reference to the movie's iconic plot and atmosphere (e.g. Moe in the Simpsons, "It's Chinatown"), however in your reedit, you refer to Goon's past as including "similar events" to those that take place in the film, which is utterly unfounded. The idea that something in Goon's past can include a woman (their population being roughly 60% of the world's) and occurring in a place called Chinatown (of which there are dozens in North America) cannot exist without refering wholeheartedly to the film's plot is simply untrue. Your implied association of this reference with that alluding to Blue Velvet further condemns your analysis as elementary due to the profound divergence in weight of the references: that of Chinatown being highly abstract while that of Blue Velvet being a quite obvious reproduction of the character Frank. In conclusion, I think it fair to include Chinatown as a refernce in the most superficial sense, however I simply do agree with the heavy wording of your edit. I hope there is a third opinion out there that will post. I will reserve any editing until that time. Audioweevil 05:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Instead of saying the it references the events, why not just say it's a reference, period? Is that so hard, and worth making an angry edit?71.177.82.26 22:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The important point that my edit implies is not whether or not the comic references the movie (because it most certainly does), but rather whether the reference entails that the actual plot of The Goon is affected by this reference. We cannot know definitively whether this is true, so it must remain potential. Audioweevil 05:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Comic Reality

"On more than one occasion Powell has metafictionally hinted that The Goon is indeed only a comic and that its reality exists as a comic reality instead of the comic implying (like Spider-Man or Superman) that it is taking place in the "real" world."

To whomever wrote this. This statement needs at least one reference as well as some cleaning up as it makes little sense. Removed until fixed. Audioweevil 03:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Setting

I removed the following section from the lead of the article:

Though the story is set in the US, it is not set in a named locale and rarely references any real-world people or events. It also takes place in an undefined period of time, with discrepancies including cars from the earlier half of the 20th century but more contemporary references such as Frank from Blue Velvet.

I did this for two reasons. Firstly, because as the lead is supposed to give a brief overview, it's not the right place to dissect something in detail. Secondly, in any case, discussion of when and where it is set is unverifiable speculation and original research, so shouldn't be there at all. Likewise, the same applies to any claim of there being Blue Velvet references - without a reference for this, it has no place in the article. H. Carver 12:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Goon Noir

Is 'Goon Noir' considered an official part of Goon continuity? I know, but considering the Goon it's a possibillity it ain't.

And I feel that the article could be improved by stressing Goon and Franky's brutallity. They are -not- nice people. Smashing an innocent grocer's leg for missing a protection payment is common for them.Lots42 21:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

"Controversy"?

Erm...
I'm not saying you shouldn't include any mention of this PR stunt in the article, but it seems inappropriate to refer to it as a "controversy", particularly right in the section heading. I mean, it was a 'controversy' created by an imagined person, right?
Frankly, I think that Controversy is the part that most deserves to be in quotation marks. 139.57.100.104 (talk) 02:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)