User talk:The7thdr

The Day After Roswell

Hi. Could you explain your reasoning here? Thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 18:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV axe to grind

The first big hint that someone has a massive POV axe to grind is when they start trying to harass users who disagree with their edits by making highly questionable threats and/or AN/I reports. It is a big red flag for me. My suggestion is you focus on the talk page of the article rather than dropping threats on user talk pages. Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a threat - I have tried to discuss with you and you have ignored me. Before reporting a third edit I am obliged to inform you of such. I like to think it is good manners.In response, my experience of POV is when an editor repeatedly makes reverts without discussion and on occasion without a comment in the edit box. I am surprised that this has happens with some one who claims to have started their own WIKI based on "rationality. The7thdr (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

I am not sure of your experience in this area so want to alert you to 3RR. At 4RR you could and probably would be be blocked.(olive (talk) 20:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Your recent edits

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Fable 2

First off, as far as WP:V is concerned web sites are considered as good enough for popular culture as long as they aren't "self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, knols, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable.^[1]"

Second, the posts were not from the forum, but news. 1up is considered a reliable independant news site with peer overview, unless you have some information I don't have on this particular site.Jinnai (talk) 19:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to flag up, you're up to WP:3RR on Fable 2. --Ged UK (talk) 21:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know, however several of those were clear vandalism, ie deleting entire page content.Jinnai (talk) 04:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was refering to User:The7thdr. --Ged UK (talk) 08:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Followup on your reply.

Perhaps it might need a bit rephrasing, but I hardly see a game permenatly freezing as an intended game design. That was my point. I didn't comment on other stuff. If you look at their site, the number of articles they have like that numbers into 3 (at the time i posted that). All of those dealt with serious issues like corruptions, freezes, etc. Stuff that isn't "limited number of saves", but stuff that is a defiantly a bug.

About what is reliable, the general industry consensus is that any article 1up does considered legit, except for (p)review articles which they tend to favor big names even if the title is bad. Reports like those are different however and considered at the same level you'd consider an article from Wired.Jinnai (talk) 02:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that it does need to be worded carefully. However 1up reported the freezes and game-breaking bugs in a news article, they did not report anything about hacking. That shows first, that the hacking item should probably be treated with a grain of salt at this time and second, 1up clearly has some kind of peer review to not post every single thing they have. The news articles also didn't appear immediately after the incidents were first reported, but a couple days later.

The number of players being affected, probably should not be mentioned beyond "being reported" because a lot of users may be experiencing these troubles and not reporting it or almost everyone who is, is reporting it. We can't know which it is just by looking at articles or forum posts.Jinnai (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry bad wording on my part. My point was 1up is considered a trusted site by the industry for reliable news, much like Wall Street Journal is for business news, with the once exception I mentioned before. That is considered good enough for WP:V for popular culture sources since academic material is rarely available.Jinnai (talk) 21:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to weigh in here

Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Article:_Transcendental_Meditation.2C_Users_TimidGuy_and_Littleolive_oil Fladrif (talk) 19:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slow down

It's great to be eager, but I suggest that you slow down a bit and take more time in discussing your edits on the talk page and in seeking consensus. Editors who are followers won't feel they need to be as involved if editors who are critics aren't just dumping stuff into the article. Wikipedia is a long term project and we don't have to get it right immediaely. Will Beback talk 03:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Religions are sensitive topics, so comments like this can lead to tension.[1] Please try to be more considerate of the beliefs of other people. Will Beback talk 20:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Biographies of living people

If someone removes material citing WP:BLP, please do not restore it. I will if necessary suspend your editing rights to enforce the policy. Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Availablity for Mediation on TM article

I will be applying for formal mediation shortly. Please let me know within the next two days if you will be available for mediation or not. This does not mean you accept the mediation, but just that I can include your name as party to the mediation. Thanks. (olive (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC))[reply]

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Humor

Jokes that one person think are funny may not appear so funny to someone else. Particularly where spiritual beliefs are concerned. I advise avoiding humor, lest it be misinterpreted.[2] Will Beback talk 06:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Note on outing

Just a friendly note 7th: None of the users presently working on the TM pages indicate as far as I can see on their user pages that they are faculty at MUM. If you have other information that they are, you in disclosing that information are outing them. Outing on Wikipedia is serious breach and can result in very long blocks. I would mention also that any personal information about my employment not on my user page is in some case outdated, but if disclosed is also outing as some recent ArbCom cases indicate. I have had to protect certain kinds of information due to ridiculous anonymous phone calls ... a clear sign that those on Wikipedia are not necessarily nice people, and that someone has too much time on their hands. (olive (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

7th ... I recently watched an editor banned indefinitely precipitated when he mistakenly revealed information on an editor contained in an archive, and in a situation he thought to be appropriate. You have indeed accused those on the TM page of being MUM people. My note was not a threat, but a friendly warning. An admin coming onto the TM page may caution you about this. David Orme Johnson does not advise me, a lowly Wikipedia editor.. as I said.(olive (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]

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To Clarify:

Thanks for you comment on my Talk Page, 7th. I appreciate you taking the time to leave a message. What I was trying to do was to use your experience as a peer-reviewer to try to arbitrate this discussion on Otis. I though that if we could approach the study in a even rational way, we may be able to resolve this impasse. And you have not offended me in any way. I enjoy the cut-and-thrust of the debate. However, i do not like the "personal" attacks that are sometimes employed. I feel it is OK to savage the content of the comments, but not the authors. See you back in the fray on the TM discussion page! --BwB (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True to Your Word?

"Spiritual/religious/esoteric profiteering: I have a deep dislike and mistrust of any organization that in anyway "profits" or "charges" for spiritual or religious "secrets" or services of any kind and consider it possibly the most shameful of all religious activities". Perhaps you put this POV aside when editing? It does not influence you in any way when deciding what text, references, quotes, etc. should go in any article? --BwB (talk) 00:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Small Point

Hey 7th, Recently you correctly informed BWB that he shouldn't use bold and caps as part of his text on the talk page. So I am also taking a moment to remind you as well. Recently you put the following in the summary box on one of your edits

"Do NOT, I repeat DO NOT remove reference materila form this article without discussion"

OK, nuff said. I look forward to having many caps-free discussions with you in the future, my friend. :-) Namaste, Kbob--Kbob (talk) 18:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lotus Blossom (ak the 7th)

Hi 7th, is this a user name of yours? I'm not sure. If yes, please see the message I posted on that user page about careless comments about other editors. And if that user account is unrelated to you I apologize in advance for my error. Cheers!--Kbob (talk) 21:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This blocked user's request to have autoblock on their IP address lifted has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request.

The7thdr (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

80.7.181.255 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Block message:

Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Lotus Blossom (ak the 7th)". The reason given for Lotus Blossom (ak the 7th)'s block is: "Personal attacks or

Blocking administrator: Rlevse (talk • blocks)

Decline reason: No and I've blocked your main account for the remaining time left on your sock's blocks. Here's what I see: using a second account to engage in a dispute that your first account was already active in, using the second account to avoid being caught in the 3RR, confusing and skewing discussions by using both accounts to comment and finally using the second account to attack other editors. Not sure why you thought that behavior was at all appropriate, its not. — Shell ^babelfish 02:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

admitted socking of blocked account and being this account, therefore, recommend unblock be denied as The7thdr appears to have created a bad hand account (Lotus Blossom (ak the 7th)). In fact, I recommend indef'd the sock and blocking this main account too. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it counts as abusive socking under the presnet definition since he was upfront about it being an alternate account. (Though if he used on to avoid 3RR that's clearly unacceptable.) However I don't see what benefit the other account brings. I endorse the block, as this user has been edit warring. However I do not think there should be an indefinite block. Hopefully a few days off will help this editor relax and take a fresh approach to the dispute. Will Beback talk 02:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that The7thdr never denied the connection was the only reason I didn't make the block any longer than the original block for personal attacks. The sock has been indef'd though - using a second account, even if you don't deny it when asked, to influence discussion, edit war and generally engage in the same dispute twice isn't really a legitimate use of a second account. Also, when one's second account is blocked, moving back to the first and evading the block on your IP doesn't really help the case. His comments on your talk page concern me since they seem to indicate a lack of respect for community norms (i.e. he can get around the block, if this doesn't go away he'll quit etc.) It also seems that he doesn't understand why calling people stupid is considered a personal attack and that really starts to worry me. Maybe The7thdr could chime in here? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the comments? Shell ^babelfish 03:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I've now had to block another sock used to evade: User:Meyouandhim. The7thdr, you need to stop this immediately or you'll likely end up banned from Wikipedia over what should be just a short block. Please reconsider the way you are handling things and discuss the issues here. Shell ^babelfish 03:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even if one agrees to the "alt ego" argument, the account was still edit warring, threatening people, and personal attacks. Furthermore, the TM page is not the place to ID an "alt account", if one even buys that argument here. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note the new sock tried to get me to unblock: User_talk:Rlevse#Banning_Lotus_Blossom_.28ak_the_7th.29 — Rlevse • Talk • 09:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have returned from work and have to say i find this entire fiasco unbleivable. have any of you actually read the TM page? have you identified the number of editors "edit waring and reversing material on there, A number of questions need to be asked:

1 You claim that Lb is a "Sockpuppet" yet you are aware that such an "alt" is created to hide ones idenenty. As a qucky sevey of the page makes clear - LB was generated as a reply to gender spcific assumptions while addrssing me - soemthing i see you are repeating Rleve. Perhaps you might want to read the article on "gender neutral writting?

2 You claim i made 3 reverts yet I only count one. indeed, once again it is the editor form the TM org - who doesn't even have the deceny to loggin - who i think you will find made 3 reverts.

3 You claim edit wars yet it was clear form my comments that this was an attempt to make a "bold" edit to bring the article out of a stalemate is had been in for months. Can I point out the statement I made that I would not the only contest any revert but for people to give it a little time while things settled down (see Tm talkpage). Can i add that the only revert i made was to an unknown user who had been highly disruptive editing the article for 24 hours - see history.

4 The final fact seemed to be that I used MED-R guidelines to remove none complaint studies from the article while the editors "calmed down" and came to some sort of neutral npov edit.

I have put up with a lot of harassment for my religious views - or should that be my atheism - I hope this is not a continuation there of? The7thdr (talk) 20:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC) The7thdr (talk) 20:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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