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In the spirit of "I may not agree with what you have say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," I've created this page, for dated nonsense which I don't particularly want to look over repeatedly. Chances are, it's not worth reading.

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Be Bold!

Sam Spade 08:25, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikiversity vote

If you cast a wikiversity vote, please make a link at your Wikimedia meta-wiki user page linking back to your wikipedia user page. If you do not do so, your vote will not count. --JWSchmidt 15:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Wikipedians' notice board

Since joining Wikipedia recently I have learnt an awful lot, and one of those things is the value of teamwork. It has become increasingly apparent to me that there are absolutely tons of people out there devoted to editing the Scottish articles, but we communicate only haphazardly. To begin to attempt to remedy this, I have initiated a notice board for all Scoto-fans!

You can find it using this shortcut: WP:SCOWNB (yes, I know that it ain't very "short", but our nordic neighbours had first call on WP:SWNB).

Please sign up and post notices, or at least Watch the page.--Mais oui! 15:34, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clan Fraser

Sorry about that. I must have had an older version in my text editor and pasted it in by mistake. The first thing I noticed was that I had put back the version with the clan badge as a strawberry instead of the yew. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No harm done, none at all. Strawberry was the Plant Badge that I assumed before discovering it was actually Yew. Canaen 06:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Veganism

Canaen, I believe consensus could be made with FrancisTyers(not vegan presumably) and me 64.105.20.237 a.k.a Idleguyspal (vegan for life). Idleguy and Skinwalker are really creating quite a mess here, although not in collaboration. I am not very familiar with Wikipedia protocol thus far, but there has to be some recourse here. Let me get this straight, these two have claimed personal attacks on the bases of you using the word ignorant (are these people ignorant of the definition of ignorance? Seems unlikely that they would be and in itself could be construed as a personal attack). The only claim on me for personal attacks is using the name Idleguyspal, which I am not entirely sure is a personal attack but I have stopped using it. Skinwalker also claims some weird sock puppetry claim that I am Anon, Bob3, you, and numerous other IPs (which is laughable. If he actually tracked the IPs to firmly make that claim he would probably find them strewn throughout the world). Idleguy and Skinwalker both have not initiated any constructive dialogue on the talk pages and only state a constant gripe with others who don't see things thier way. I am working to bring more pro-environmental vegans or vegetarians in on this who are not current Wikipedians (as far as I know anyway). There is a vegan environmental blog at [[1]]. I'm sure there are possible contacts there. Anyhow, I believe the three of us already have a reasonable amount of consensus thus far and we just need to strike the dialogue amongst us. Please review my dialogue with FrancisTyers. 64.105.20.237 18:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like we've got a base for getting this article back on its feet again, I've also noticed that the two in question seem to be lacking any real contributions to the talk page, or the article for that matter (when it's open). This was one of my main qualms about the Environmental Criticism section; it had too many problems to be live, and needed to be worked out first. I've also asked around in various online Vegan discussion groups (LiveJournal) to come over to the article, and met with moderate success, or so I've been told. However, there was still trouble. Anyway, I don't think that this little bit is going to do much more, so off I am to the Veganism Talk Page. Canaen 08:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick heads up on my full entrance into Wikipedia. I, Idleguys pal is now Nidara (Hindi for undaunted) Please erase this whenever you want, I will learn how to send you a direct message when I have a few more minutes to myself. Nidara 21:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Congratulations! I very much think that your title is apt. Canaen 02:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Last warning

I've repeatedly asked you to stop referring to my comments as nonsense, to stop claiming that I am "defacing" your talk page, and to stop labeling my comments as worthless. You haven't stopped doing this, and your latest message on my talk page shows that you intend to keep doing it. I'm going to give you one more chance. Remove the header from this page, move the "nonsense" archive to something like /archive1, and stop attacking me on my talk page. Until that time, any further attacks on my talk page will be removed immediately. --Viriditas 11:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

By "Nonsense," I meant to refer to "My Nonsense Page." I don't know why you're being so aggressive (no, that's not an attack; that's the feeling I get from you), but I'm not trying to attack you. I want to resolve this. I organize things; that doesn't mean that I'm assigning worth to your comments. Please explain how the following is an attack:

"I've finally gotten around to cleaning up the interactive sections of my User pages. I've reviewed your comments, and yes, they were constructive criticism. The only section not removed from my Nonsense page was your section directly related, which I though was more relevant there. See my talk page for further detail."

Simply because I use a tool differently than you do is no reason to attack. Your section about my "Nonsense" page is obviously most relevant on the page itself. That's not an attack -- that's saying that related things should be viewed together. I truly do appreciate your constructive criticism. When I re-read them, I found that you seemed to be trying hard to keep a neutral tone, which I respect. Again, I'm not trying to attack you, however that doesn't mean I'm going to follow orders. I don't think that you would either, under threats like these. Canaen 11:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Environmental vegetarianism

Hey, could you come and take a look at the Environmental vegetarianism page, read through it thoroughly and give your opinions on the talk page, noting if you have any objections. I've tried to introduced a world-wide view into the article as well as making it NPOV and would like to get your input. - FrancisTyers 17:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

new collaboration project

You'd you be interested in participating in a new Collaboration project that aims at translating good and featured articles in the French Wikipedia to English (much like the Spanish Translation of the Week)? I'm trying to see if there's enough users interested in this project before creating it. Thank you. CG 17:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User conduct RFC

Please be advised that I have filed a user conduct RFC on you. It can be found here. Cheers, Skinwalker 19:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just out of interest, who do you think this nark Skinwalker is and why is he so motivated to go about doing what he is doing? I put this record up in the open for you and them to see because I have no and have had no connection with you nor any of the journal pages and, frankly, I take offence at being called a meat or sockpuppet of yours when I am not. I am sure that you are just or even more upset as being accused of a connection with me when you have none.

Unfortunately though, that is the depth of Skinwalker's lies and the shallowness of Skinwalker's integrity.

Where he has no grounds he invents them and he is, oh, so clever at playing WikiTricks with all these technical terms and methods.

I am starting to feel like a Jew in Nazi Germany being hunted down, connected to individuals which I have no connection with and their so-called crimes and accused of crimes which are not mine.

And what of Viriditas? He just seems to get off on throwing around his weight whilst avoiding entering into the actually factual discussion.

For the record - and let them love every minute of their persecution syndrome, let them avidly copy and paste and make little weblinks to this as they are so good at Wikitricks - I am a vegan of 20 years or more standing and, arguably, MacDonald of Clanranald. I became involved in editing the vegan article before you returned to it recently. I am entirely responsible for kicking this whole thing off because I refused to let Idleguy get away with his ridiculous domination of the article and I put Skinwalker in the same category for his anorexic stuff.

From my point of view, my objections are largely literary. The article became too bloated and required editing down. It is merely meant to be a definition of what vegan is. I don't see any point in actually engaging in those that oppose veganism. I don't even support vegan's trying to counter counter-vegan propaganda on the Wiki. It is best to keep it short and simple and give a few links so that folks that are interested can go find out more.

I approached Skinwalker reasonably and got the same sort of response as you did, see ; [2]. When Viriditas started to engage in his revisions without consultation, I tried to engage him in reasonable discussion, see ; [3]. But he just ignores it.

Fine. I showed respect, they showed themselves for what they are.

I find it weird in a way that individuals can become so obsessed by something that they obviously do not love but instead want to demean or destroy - and that means you now - and are willing to invest so much time and energy into it.

I could understand it if Skinwalker was a paid employee of the meat industry - he says he has professional scientific interest in animal husbandry. That would just make him a paid publicist. But if he is doing this and attacking you in his own free time, I pity him deeply.

"What were you doing all this evening on your computer, darling?" His wee wifie asks him.

"Oh, I spent hours trying to stomp on vegans on the internet, made a really good complaint against one and tried to mess up their article with references to anorexics who think they are vegetarians "

"That's nice."

195.82.106.78 21:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]