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I added a coupla references and removed the unreferenced tag Vikram boo! 12:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Please use NPOV and refs.-Bharatveer (talk) 05:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
This article is extremely biased and needs to be rewritten entirely. 21 November 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC) (talk) 59.92.1.178
Yes i agree,it seems like naxalite propaganda....```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 03:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC) (talk • contribs) Renaissance89man
- Since this may be controversial issue for many, reading Wikipedia:Controversial articles, and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, might help maintain right balance and avoiding controversy. Thanks! --Ekabhishek (talk) 14:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Vandalism
Noted Vandalism WP:Vandalism, removal of text and adding inflammatory comments without suitable references without consideration to WP:NPOV by various users, (see history)though thankfully BOTS had removed most of them.
Please do not add any random stuff without suitable/ verifiable references, and avoid libelious statements. Thanks! --Ekabhishek (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
this article reads like marxist propaganda
Needs to be rewritten pretty much entirely. Until then, reader beware! --86.135.181.189 (talk) 17:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Vandalisms, lies and rapidly changing any edits - who are doing these?
Any kind of edits in this page is being rapidly changed back by one user Mehrunnisa. This is totally unacceptable, specially so, when the user is providing false information. This page by this users version is heavily dependent upon government reports and NHRC report. The Salwa Judum is a government made, funded, sourced private militia. Do you expect to see anything anti-government in a government report? The NHRC report does not talk about police atrocities, because the committee is made of police!! You need third party reports to know what is going on. Isn't the conflict of interest pretty apparent? It further goes to say PUCL is a maoist affiliated organisation. This is as blatant a lie there can be! PUCL is a human rights organisation, its vice president Binayak Sen was in prison exactly because of this lie. Twenty four nobel laureates, the amnesty international, people all around the world poured down their protests. The state had no proof, I repeat, not a single proof to tie Binayak Sen to the maoists, and yet they kept him detained for a year!!! How fair do you think these reports are by this very government? I suspect these edits are done government agents, trying to control free information even on the internet.
Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
The users "Barakabless", "Agarbatti", "Vinter-light" have following the same pattern of deleting large chunks of text and references. This leads me to suspect that they are the same person.
The NHRC is not a committee is made of police as the user Vinter-light alleges. Check the facts before making libelous allegations.
The National Human Rights Commission is an expression of India's concern for the protection and promotion of human rights. It came into being in October,1993.
Is the Commission Autonomous?
Yes, the autonomy of the Commission derives, inter-alia, from the method of appointing its Chairperson and Members, their fixity of tenure, and statutory guarantees thereto, the status they have been accorded andthe manner in which the staff responsible to the Commission - including its investigative agency - will be appointed and conduct themselves. The financial autonomy of the Commission is spelt out in Section 32 of the Act.
The Chairperson and Members of the Commission are appointed by the President on the basis of recommendations of a Committee comprising the Prime Minister as the Chairperson, the Speaker of Lok Sabha, the Home Minister, the leaders of the opposition in the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha and the Deputy Chairman of the Rajya Sabha as Members.
Now the same user Barakabless", "Agarbatti", "Vinter-light" should stop making baseless allegations and stop converting this page into an maoist propaganda piece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrrunissa (talk • contribs) 14:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mehrunnisa,
No, I am not agarbatti or barakabless. This again goes to show that you are doing this singlehandedly, i.e., anyone who changes "your" version, you are destroying it.
NHRC has a police wing. "The Director General (Investigation) of the NHRC, perhaps inevitably, constituted a team consisting of three officers of the Indian Police Service (IPS) and other lesser police functionaries under his supervision." (http://www.epw.in/uploads/articles/12988.pdf) - I had provided this link, which you actually deleted.
Vinter-light (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Vinter-light you keep making baseless allegations again. The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) is an independent commission with quasi-legal powers. Just because the commission reports goes against the group you support does not entitle you to cast suspicions on it.
Going by your conduct the users agarbatti or barakabless are your sock puppets who have vandalized other wiki pages related to maoists. --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Vandalising of this page by sockpuppets
Today all day long there has been vandalising attempts on the following 3 wiki pages,
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_India_(Maoist) * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salwa_Judum
The users "Barakabless", "Agarbatti", "Vinter-light" have following the same pattern of deleting large chunks of text and references. This leads me to suspect that they are the same person.
I need help to stop these vandalising attempt. Please tell me how can to stop these users from such attempts. The user Barakabless even deleted the revision done by XLinkBot and falsely accuse me of vandalising when i am reverting back the page to it's previous state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salwa_Judum&action=history Barakabless (talk | contribs) (20,956 bytes) (Undid revision 319222653 by XLinkBot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrrunissa (talk • contribs) 14:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Attempt at compromise
There should be room in the article for the official government view and for dissenting views, either overall or in individual sections. In order to clarify what should be covered by those, I present the following subsections. Please expand as needed. — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Official Indian government view
"government" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Official Chhattisgarh state government view
"government" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Naxalite view
Mehrrunissa (talk · contribs) has described this as being the same as the Communist Party of India (Maoist) view. — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Anti-Naxalite view
Communist Party of India (Maoist) view
Mehrrunissa (talk · contribs) has described this as being the same as the Naxalite view. — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Human Rights Watch view
Salwa Judum view
"The Salwa Judum is a government made, funded, sourced private militia." Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
National Human Rights Commission of India (NHRC) view
"The NHRC ... is made of police!!" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- The NHRC is not a committee is made of police as the user Vinter-light alleges. Check the facts before making libelous allegations.
- The National Human Rights Commission is an expression of India's concern for the protection and promotion of human rights. It came into being in October,1993.
- Is the Commission Autonomous?
- Yes, the autonomy of the Commission derives, inter-alia, from the method of appointing its Chairperson and Members, their fixity of tenure, and statutory guarantees thereto, the status they have been accorded andthe manner in which the staff responsible to the Commission - including its investigative agency - will be appointed and conduct themselves. The financial autonomy of the Commission is spelt out in Section 32 of the Act.
- The Chairperson and Members of the Commission are appointed by the President on the basis of recommendations of a Committee comprising the Prime Minister as the Chairperson, the Speaker of Lok Sabha, the Home Minister, the leaders of the opposition in the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha and the Deputy Chairman of the Rajya Sabha as Members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrrunissa (talk • contribs) 14:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- 'NHRC has a police wing. "The Director General (Investigation) of the NHRC, perhaps inevitably, constituted a team consisting of three officers of the Indian Police Service (IPS) and other lesser police functionaries under his supervision." (http://www.epw.in/uploads/articles/12988.pdf) - I had provided this link' Vinter-light (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- "The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) is an independent commission with quasi-legal powers. Just because the commission reports goes against the group you support does not entitle you to cast suspicions on it." --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
National Human Rights Commission of India (NHRC) report view
"The NHRC report does not talk about police atrocities, because the committee is made of police!!" "It further goes to say PUCL is a maoist affiliated organisation." Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Special Police Officers (SPOs) view
Village Defence Committees (VDCs) view
Forum for Fact-finding Documentation and Advocacy (FFDA) view
Asian Centre for Human Rights (ACHR) view
Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers's view
People's Union for Civil Liberties (PUCL) view
"The NHRC report ... further goes to say PUCL is a maoist affiliated organisation. This is as blatant a lie there can be! PUCL is a human rights organisation, its vice president Binayak Sen was in prison exactly because of this lie. Twenty four nobel laureates, the amnesty international, people all around the world poured down their protests. The state had no proof, I repeat, not a single proof to tie Binayak Sen to the maoists, and yet they kept him detained for a year!!!" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Supreme Court of India view
Jan Jagran Abhiyan view
Twenty four nobel laureates view
"protests" that "PUCL" "vice president Binayak Sen was in prison exactly because of this lie" that "PUCL is a maoist affiliated organisation" with "no proof, I repeat, not a single proof to tie Binayak Sen to the maoists, and yet they kept him detained for a year!!!" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Amnesty International view
"protests" that "PUCL" "vice president Binayak Sen was in prison exactly because of this lie" that "PUCL is a maoist affiliated organisation" with "no proof, I repeat, not a single proof to tie Binayak Sen to the maoists, and yet they kept him detained for a year!!!" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
People all around the world view
"protests" that "PUCL" "vice president Binayak Sen was in prison exactly because of this lie" that "PUCL is a maoist affiliated organisation" with "no proof, I repeat, not a single proof to tie Binayak Sen to the maoists, and yet they kept him detained for a year!!!" Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
State of the article before 11 October 2009 (UTC)
"Vandalism
Noted Vandalism WP:Vandalism, removal of text and adding inflammatory comments without suitable references without consideration to WP:NPOV by various users, (see history)though thankfully BOTS had removed most of them.
Please do not add any random stuff without suitable/ verifiable references, and avoid libelious statements. Thanks!" --Ekabhishek (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- "this article reads like marxist propaganda
- Needs to be rewritten pretty much entirely. Until then, reader beware!" --86.135.181.189 (talk) 17:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- "I suspect these edits are done [by] government agents, trying to control free information even on the internet." Vinter-light (talk) 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Vinter-light
'The users "Barakabless", "Agarbatti", "Vinter-light" have following the same pattern of deleting large chunks of text and references. This leads me to suspect that they are the same person. ... Now the same user Barakabless", "Agarbatti", "Vinter-light" should stop making baseless allegations and stop converting this page into an maoist propaganda piece.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrrunissa (talk • contribs) 14:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- "I am not agarbatti or barakabless." Vinter-light (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- "Vinter-light you keep making baseless allegations again. The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) is an independent commission with quasi-legal powers. Just because the commission reports goes against the group you support does not entitle you to cast suspicions on it.
- Going by your conduct the users agarbatti or barakabless are your sock puppets who have vandalized other wiki pages related to maoists." --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
view
Dissenting view by x
Dissenting view by y
Discussion of compromise
Jeff thanks for stepping in to stop the vandalism being done by one user and his sock puppets. --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- You're welcome. — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:47, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify Naxalite and Communist Party of India (Maoist) are the same, so having two sub sections for the same party might not be useful. --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Please note that in the appropriate sections above. — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Please note the wiki on Naxalite has been repeatedly purged of large amount of text and references by "Barakabless" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naxalite&action=history --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- This compromise section can be used to discuss article Naxalite, too. I have requested discussion of compromise here on Talk:Naxalite. — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I suspect one user and his sock puppets are conducting a campaign of purging text realated to the maoists. The wiki page on Maoist has also be vandalised by user "Barakabless" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_India_(Maoist)&action=history --Mehrrunissa (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- This compromise section can be used to discuss article Communist Party of India (Maoist), too. I have requested discussion of compromise here on Talk:Communist Party of India (Maoist). — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Note the following deletion of text and references by user "Barakabless" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_India_(Maoist)
Using cannibalism to strike terror among tribals
In a bid to terrorise villagers last August, a Maoist killed a man and ate his flesh in full view of the public in Malkangiri district of Orissa. Superintendent of Police Satish Kumar Gajbhiye said the incident, which took place at Bandiguda, on August 14, 2007, came to light only on Sunday, during a community policing programme. “The villagers told me that Bhagat, commander of the Paplur Dalam, killed Mukunda Madhi in public view and ate his flesh to terrorise others,” he told PTI on the phone. Mukunda’s hapless family was among the onlookers, none of whom opened his mouth for fear of his life, Mr. Gajbhiye said.[1]
A cannibal act to strike terror http://www.thehindu.com/2008/01/15/stories/2008011559051600.htm
This is just an example of how people associated with maoists are going around deleting information that show the cruel deeds of maoists, and then they call me a government agent. How fair is this accusation, you decide.
The maoists claim to fight for rights of villagers but the reality is opposite of their propaganda. In the above article they are killing villagers and eating their flesh to terrorize them into submission. These people have even surpassed terrorist groups like al-qaeda in their terrorizing tactics.
The maoists also claim to fight for the tribals but the salwa judum consists mostly of tribal. Then why are the maoists killing the tribals. In reality the tribals are being oppressed by the maoists and have no recourse but to fight back with anything they have. You may note in the picture of the salwa judum member carrying bows and arrows, attached to this wiki. The maoists are known to be armed with guns. Inspite of such a huge mis-match between their weaponry the tribals joined the salwa judum to fight back proving they are not willing to terrorized by the maoists.
Anyone with a fair and open mind will come to the conclusion that the references and text deleted by "Vinter-light" and his sock puppets "Barakabless", "Agarbatti", should be reverted to a fair and neutral POV.
Thank you. --Mehrrunissa (talk) 15:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
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