Talk:Edward Heath

Disputed

This:

The contrast with the 1980s Thatcher government resulted in Heath acquiring a strongly humanitarian image.

Needs a source before being moved back to the article. Dan100 (Talk) 21:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Ireland

I thought I saw Heath admit to some part of Bloody Sunday in an interview in the early nineties. When asked about the Tianenmen Square massacre I recall him saying "Oh, the Chinese just did what we did on Bloody Sunday". There was a moment of silence, and then the interviewer moved swiftly on. Does anyone else remember this? It had a sense of unreality about it, given the way it was handled, and afterward I could never be sure I heard it. Look of horror on his face at what he had said will stay with me forever, though.--Muinchille1

King's School Canterbury

The article claims that Ted Heath was in the sixth form at King's Canterbury. However, he does not appear on the Wikipedia list of "Old King's Scholars", neither is this in his "Who's Who" entry. Millbanks (talk) 09:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The reference has now been deleted. Millbanks (talk) 13:13, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Infinite loop

Something has to be done with the "preceded by" in the right frame. It says he was preceded by Harold Wilson... go to Harold Wilson to see who preceded him... and guess who.. Edward Heath. Voilá! no more british PMs in the previous history. Perhaps it would be necessary to detail the predecessor for each of his periods in charge... Regards...--Cratón (talk) 22:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Sexuality

Before we all descend into a full round of abuse and counter-abuse, I suggest we take a step back and discuss sensibly what the issues are and how we might address them. My argument is that the text covering quotes from Brian Coleman and others is fair - it doesn't accuse Heath of anything, but rather draws out some of questions on sexuality into the open rather than cloud them in euphemism. Now I am open to amending this to sharpen the focus or avoid misleading implications. And happy to look at constructive suggestions. I do not, on the other hand, think we need concern ourselves about whether others (Heath's family?) would find aspects of the text welcome or not. Contaldo80 (talk) 10:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Having thought carefully about the text again I am willing to accept that it makes unsubstantiated allegations (ie cottaging). I have no doubt in my mind that Heath was a (repressed?) homosexual and it's right that the article covers that issue in some detail as it has resonance for british parliamentary history (as Mrs Thatcher in 1979). Yet I recognise that we should not necessarily assume he was engaged in "cottaging" (at least without some better evidence). I'm therefore content to remove those last sentences. But I still feel the editing issue was handled badly - far too confrontational and too quick to descend into insults. A lesson for us allContaldo80 (talk) 12:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I am sceptical of the idea that Heath was engaged in cottaging, I would go with Campbell that he was probably a repressed heterosexual, but given that there have been rumours which can be sourced it is legitimate to mention them. PatGallacher (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

In view of persistent disruptive editing I have requested semi-protection of this article. PatGallacher (talk) 20:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I support that. I'm very happy to have a grown up debate about improving the quality of articles; but I don't see that contributors have to descend to anonymous and vitriolic abuse. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)Contaldo80 (talk) 11:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Titles

With all due respect;

Under the "Titles" section, Edward Heath is Esquire 9 July 1916–1992.

The title esquire in British hierarchy is by birth or by merit.

By birth, his mom and dad were good people who raised a great leader. Hts dad was a carpenter and his mom was a housewife. Both good professions.

In the British lineage, however, that is not enough to warrant the simple tag "esquire" (esq)

By birth; the eldest son of the lineage of someone knighted. By merit; knighted or via investiture.

Mr. Heath was not entitled Esquire on day one. maybe day 7,665.

He was not Edward Heath, Esq 9 July 1916-1992.

He was Edward Heath, 9 July 1916-1937.

The One and Only Worldwise Dave Shaver 07:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)