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Wikia

I'm having problems on my Wikia (http://tyw7.wikia.com/wiki/My_Wiki). I cannot replace the image in the top right corner. No matter how many times I upload the image, it just wouldn't appear! Secondly, whenever I try to verify my email, I'm geting errors (see http://pastebin.com/m2109d0f1). Thanks. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 13:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your solution is best achieved by emailing community@wikia.com. They will help you over there. Wikipedia isn't the best place to ask for Wikia help! :-) --Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've also posted on your Wikia talk page and contacted the admins through special:contact. Plus, aren't you the same Jimbo Wales on Wikia? ;) --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 15:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he's the same Jimbo, but he doesn't provide tech support for either site. --Tango (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You wouldn't show up to a professor's home asking for help on your essay, you show up at the office. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 23:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know... I guess that depends on whether the professor frequently advertises his home address when he's lecturing his class. This must be a 'completely separate Jimbo Wales. Move along, everyone. -- Iron Eagle 6 (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradicting informations between English and Czech Wikipedia

What can be done when English and Czech Wikipedia contains contradicting informations and nobody listens. The English Wikipedia states that homosexuality was remeved from the lists of disorders on the ground of recognizing the scientific evidence. This fact supported by the most reliable sources available to the topic. The Czech Wikipedia states that homosexuality was removed solely because of the political reasons. This statement is supported by one unfounded opinion of the author of scripts. Yes, you read right! It is absurd, isn't it? I believe this is a serious problem, but nobody has listened for several months and the article is blocked to prevent correct that. Nothing can be done. The Wikipedia policies about reliable sources and exceptional claims have been ignored there for many months. Is there any chance to set right propaganda of ultraconservative editors and inactive admins there? I believe CS Wikipedia should present facts in similar fashion as the EN Wikipedia, since it is not Conservapedia. Moreover, the Czech Wikipedia editors violates undue weight and reliable sources policies by presenting fringe sources even if those was explicitly prohibited to use in the English Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2009_August_8#Contradicting_informations_between_en_and_cs_Wikipedia didn't help to solve the issue. All mechanism including Czech Arbitrary Comitee has failed so far. These issues hurt Wikipedia project. Who is responsible and who failed here? --Destinero (talk) 17:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you describe it, it doesn't sound good... but of course I can't read Czech. I wonder if you'd be willing to ask some of the people who don't agree with you about the current situation, but who can also speak English, to come and join in a discussion here - or on my talk page in Czech Wikipedia would probably be better, but please let me know if you do that. It is not up to me to directly decide what Czech Wikipedia should say, of course, but I would be happy to try to make myself useful in terms of assisting with a discussion.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 00:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On that note it'd be interesting to contrast between the Japanese wikipedia articles on the issues and events surrounding the whaling in the southern ocean with the English wikipedia. Noodle snacks (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirections

Hello Mr Wales, I contact you because I have questions about redirections in list, ... here, I have put good links, and a person revert me, after there is here too it is for a space, and about easypeasy here, I see the official website "easypeasy - for netbooks", I proposed a lof of move requests (about SLAX->Slax, ... here) what are your opinions ? Thanks in advance — Neustradamus (✉) 22:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And about this, it is a talk page ok but it is possible to improve this article, no ? the best is [[example]] not [[example|example]] — Neustradamus (✉) 22:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is a mess, although not one that requires Jimbo's attention. The conduct by both sides is a textbook example of how not to behave on Wikipedia. In a series of articles dealing with computer software, Neustradamus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who evidently is not a native speaker of English, changes correct British English spellings to American English, which is a violation of the Manual of Style's guideline on National varieties of English, and also disregards Wikipedia's fundamental policy on Consensus. (The main word in contention is licence [British spelling for the noun] versus license [British spelling for the verb, American spelling for noun and verb].[1]) Neustradamus also painstakingly corrected many wikilinks from redirect pages to the correct target pages. The editors who apparently represent the current "consensus" at the pages in question (I haven't tried to figure out how many editors are active) mass revert all of Neustradamus's edits, and thereby restore the real errors that Neustradamus corrected. Even on a project page that lists articles by name, and therefore should use the article's actual names, they reverted the corrections.[2] I don't know the history of the acrimony, and Neustradamus's manner (compounded by his lack of facility in English) is probably a significant cause. However, it is Wikipedia's quality that suffers most. (I stumbled into this mess when a bad revert of a good edit by Neustradamus popped up on my watchlist.)—Finell 02:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
About license and licence it is ok (US/GB) but why I edited? It is very simple because the best solution is the real license name, not for you ? (A cat is a cat, a dog is a dog, a cat is not a dog, and a dog is not a cat), we must name by the real name — Neustradamus (✉) 03:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's very difficult to parse the above sentense. To Neustradamus: if what you're saying is that the actual (software) licenses almost always use the spelling "license" (even in the title), this does not imply that the spelling "licence" is incorrect. Both are correct spellings, although one is preferred in American English and the other in Commonwealth (or British) English. (See American and British English spelling differences if you're interested.) Both are perfectly acceptable spellings on Wikipedia, and one should not change the name of an article without compelling reasons (and if an article was started with a particular spelling, it should retain it, see WP:RETAIN). -- Ekjon Lok (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Neustradamus's statement is unintelligible, and your statement of the guidelines is correct. On the other hand, when referring to a document by title, we do not alter the spelling of the title to conform to the article's English variety, just as we don't alter the spelling of direct quotations. Further, your statement does not address the erroneous reverts of Neustradamus's corrections of wikilinks that pointed to redirect pages; wikilinked words can be piped to the article's English variety, but the link should point to the correct target page. And he made other wikilink corrections, which had nothing to do with English varieties, that were mass-reverted along with everything else he did. Just because an editor makes some mistakes, or even is troublesome in some ways, doesn't mean that all of his or her edits should be reverted automatically, without examining the edits individually.—Finell 07:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the disruptive and recently blocked editor, Neustradamus, you are making a number of observations, yet you said above that you don't know the history of the case. Could I suggest any editors unfamiliar and wishing to comment should first read the history and the quite small set of previous discussions: 1 WP:AN, 2 User_talk:Michael Hardy, 3 Talk:Free software licence, 4 User_talk:Rodhullandemu#Re:_User_Neustradamus and 5 User_talk:Rodhullandemu#Neustradamus_again. The history is short, and discussions so far have been civil and free of acrimony.
  • I don't think there is any dispute that Neustradamus has been entering multiple different venues and has been advised on each occasion by multiple, uninvolved admins, and experienced editors, to heed our policies and guidelines: WP:ENGVAR, WP:TPG, MOS:HYPHEN, and several others besides. Neustradamus ignored everybody's advice on WP:AN, and elsewhere, and became disruptive, editing as before, and at high speed, across many different articles. That was why he was blocked by Rodhullandemu. He appealed, but was declined after still not accepting WP:ENGVAR. Due to the large number of disruptive edits, they were reverted using "rollback all". Also affected were a handful of "false positives", which should not have been reverted. This is a trifling issue in comparison with the disruption to the project that went before, and the reverts were promptly and properly reviewed, and all of the incorrect ones have been undone by Rodhullandemu and me. Even after his block, N resumed editing disruptively and contrary to WP:ENGVAR, MOS:HYPHEN, and WP:TPG. N was therefore given a final warning by Rodhullandemu.
  • You also said, "Neustradamus also painstakingly corrected many wikilinks from redirect pages to the correct target pages." I get the impression you think those edits by Neustradamus were correct. You neglected to mention he also changed spellings in the edit you cited to his preferred version contrary to WP:ENGVAR. There is a minority misconception, not limited to new editors, that linking to redirects is wrong, and that such links need to be "fixed" to point to their target articles. It isn't wrong and such links should not be "fixed", per our very longstanding consensus, well explained on WP:REDIRECT#NOTBROKEN, "do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken. ... It is unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects. ... and it can actually be detrimental." 91.187.66.243 (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Look for examples: Mozilla Public License (MPL) GNU General Public License (GPL) GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) Apache License Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) Common Public License (CPL) Eclipse Public License (EPL) MIT License BSD License ... a big list. There are licenses (not example) written in the United Kingdom (commonwealth), but it is not the majority — Neustradamus (✉) 06:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

any news on raising the issue of sexually explicit material on WMF projects with the board or advisory board?

Hi Jimbo - question is self explanatory I hope? I've made a short video presentation to raise awareness on this matter, which I consider to be very important - it features some explicit material from commons (and therefore may be illegal to view if you are a 'talk page watcher' under the age of majority - please don't) - if you have any feedback, or even would prefer to point me in the direction of any way of furthering communication on this subject, please feel free.

The video is a work in progress, so all thoughts most welcome from whomever..... Privatemusings (talk) 04:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts as well? Great... How about you stop going on and on and on about this? This is what, the fourth thread you started about this "problem" in less than a month on this page? Plus, this is the English Wikipedia, not commons, so you'ld better voice your concerns there. Fram (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disturbing Images

I like naked women, but this picture crosses the line. [[3]]. The arguement to keep this is that it Wikipedia isn't censored....Does this mean we should find someone to take a photo of a rape so we can accurately portray a rape? I'm sorry but censorship is one thing, revictimizing this poor woman completely different. Can you comment on your opinion about including images like this? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For all clarity: this has been discussed and dismissed today at WP:ANI#Unnecessarily Graphic Photo?. Argumentum ad Jimbo is probably not the best way of trying to get a different outcome anyway. Fram (talk) 08:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting tired of people who think they need to protect JIMBO....Can't you allow him to have a opinion? Where in this did I say he must change things, I merely asked his opinion on censorship and what counts as and what doesn't. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But why is a single person's opinion sought when a wider-reaching community discussion has already taken place? They manner in which you're bribing this here suggests that (in your mind, anyways) it is an appeal to some sort of higher authority that can take precedence over AN/I. Tarc (talk) 16:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is why you shouldn't assume. It makes an ass out of u and me.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New ANI topic created.

As a heads up only...I think it's appropriate to make you aware of this ANI topic I started. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Proofreader77_Established_record_of_continuous_unrelenting_Disruptive_Editing I would believe that the normal available Admin structures in place, will resolve my concerns. --Tombaker321 (talk) 14:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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