Talk:List of secret police organizations

Is the Special Branch really a secret police org? Thanx 68.39.174.150 11:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

This question has been the cause of considerable reversion and counter-reversion on this page and secret police (likewise the FBI and other US organisations). It all comes down to your definition of a secret police organisation and your politics. -- Necrothesp 15:41, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Don't feel like a revert war so I'll leave it. Thanx 68.39.174.150 22:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

not sure why that's controversial. I guess some people take 'secret police' to be a value judgement rather than a neutral category, i.e., something negative associated with enemy states. The Special Branch is certainly 'secret' and 'police' and political, if that's a defining characteristic. Bobanny 17:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Soviet Union

What were the secret police of the Soviet Union called? NeoChrono Ryu 01:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

See List of historical secret police organizations. -- Necrothesp 13:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

SS

Should the SS (Nazi military group) be on this list? I don't know enough about them to know whether they are secret police material ot just an elite military group. NeoChrono Ryu 01:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

No. The Gestapo, who were secret police, were all members of the SS, but the SS itself was not a secret police organisation. In any case, organisations that no longer exist are listed on List of historical secret police organizations, not here. -- Necrothesp 12:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Updates

Some of the agnecies listed clearly belong on the "Historical" page, EG. Taiwan's entry describes an agency that no longer exists. 68.39.174.238 01:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

FBI and NSA

Neither the FBI or the NSA are secret police organizations as defined under the secret police wikipedia entry.

Deleting USA

I'm deleting the USA entries because the US agencies don't meet the definition and their conduct, despite accusations of such, is far from the usual purposes of secret polic which, rougly, is policing dissidents.Atcavage 04:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia says: "Secret police are a police organization which operates in secrecy to maintain national security against internal threats to the state." Therefore which part of this definition contradicts with United States Secret Service? CIA and FBI are not secret police, that is true, but Secret Service conforms to definition. --78.0.86.174 10:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Please explain how the USSS operates in secret different from any other dignitary protection service, or treasury police agency. Just because it has 'secret' in it's name doesn't mean that it's a secret police agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atcavage (talk • contribs) 22:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Removing FBI

I am removing the FBI from this list of secret police organizations. The FBI is a national police force and not a secret police force - there is a substantial difference between these two definitions given by Wikipedia. Specifically, the secret police entry specifies that a secret police is only held accountable to the executive branch of government while the FBI is held accountable to Congressional reporting requirements and the federal court system. Inclusion of the FBI ignores the fact that the secret police entry specifically states that "Secret police differ from the domestic security agencies in modern liberal democracies, because domestic security agencies are generally subject to government regulation, reporting requirements, and other accountability measures" including published annual reports and specific delineation of responsibility under statute. If the FBI is to be included it must be clearly cited as to under what grounds it is included as a secret police organization. Any other commentary on the organization as a secret police organization should be included in the Criticism section of the FBI article itself. 207.250.239.174 (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Adding South Korea

South Korea have secrect police organization under Korean National Police Agency. --Korsentry 06:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

"When in doubt, cut it out." Secret Service isn't secret, British Military Intelligence does not function as police, but I'm not sure about Ireland's G2 -- were they somehow linked to the IRA???Dfoofnik (talk) 02:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Bundesnachrichtendienst

Why is the Bundesnachrichtendienst listed? They certainly aren't a "secret police" organization today. If it is because of their previous incarnation under East Germany, then that should be noted as the reason.--Davidwiz (talk) 21:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Britain's secret police

Britain definitely has secret police nowadays; I remeber reading a piece on how police have infiltrated protest networks to disrupt the protests' organisation. Also in London there are loads of secret police cars that are just posing as normal cars and then prosecute people for fairly trivial, everyday crimes. The same is also true of Britain's use of security cameras(which is has the most in the world per capita), these are always used to prosecute people for driving in the bus lanes and not paying the congestion charge. Equally, the security tapes always go conveniently missing if when there is the question of police brutality etc. In fact, just look at the Mass Surveillance article. How you can call the Chinese Ministry of State Security a secret police force and not the British one is beyond me, or have they gotten to you too!? 91.104.82.251 (talk) 15:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The CIA is certainly a secret police organization so I will add it.

Remember Guatemala.71.182.209.56 (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)