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Murat Boz - False

I just wanted to inform you that TRT did not confirm Murat Boz or any other artist as Turkey's representative for next year's Eurovision contest. The link that was posted confirming the source is false, as it doesn't state that the Murat will be representingt Turkey anywhere in the article.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmet84 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the material, I have not found anything confirming this from a reliable source. WP:BLP policy does apply to material in Eurovision articles related to living people, and where there are resonable objections to unsourced or poorly sourced material it should be removed immediatly per WP:GRAPEVINE. Camaron · Christopher · talk 12:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Someone added it again. Would someone please remove it. I don't know how reliable this is, but according to Turkish news site Ankarahaber, the Head of TRT's Press Office told them that Turkey will be represented by either maNga, Şebnem Ferah or Emre Aydın and that the final decision will be made within a week.<ref>http://www.ankarahaber.com/news_detail.php?id=50084</ref>--130.226.70.114 (talk) 09:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed it again, and the editor who added it has been softly warned. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In an interview published today by the Turkish newspaper Miliyet, Şebnem Ferah reveals that she has indeed received an offer from TRT to represent Turkey in the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest, but that she decided not to accept the offer.[1] --130.226.70.114 (talk) 16:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belarus in the ESC '10

Belarusian song has confirmed. Artists are Artyom Mihalenko, Elena & Ninel Karpovich and name of song is Don't Play In Love. There is a source in English and Belarusian 91.156.163.248 (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

COME ON!! Put those informations to article page right now!!!!! 91.156.163.248 (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That song may have won this edition of this "Musical Court" show, but after ONT failed to reach full membership status in the EBU, the show was re-labeled as aiming to select a song to represent Belarus in any "high-profile international music competition". Thus, the winning of the "Musical Court" show will not necessarily represent Belarus in the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest, although its composer has won a trip to Oslo - as a spectator. This is also what is said in the above mentioned article on esckaz.com.--130.226.70.114 (talk) 09:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am not adding the information until I am certain it is accurate, and increased use of bold or caps will not change that. The ESCKaz source does not actually say per above that the song that has been selected will definitely represent Belarus in 2010. Another source to more clearly confirm that these artistes and that song are the Belarus entry would be good. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed Partcipants

Can now be found at the ESC 2010 website. http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=7923&_t=Exclusive%3A+39+countries+to+be+represented+in+Oslo

This is the list: 

   * Albania (RTVSH)
   * Armenia (AMPTV)
   * Azerbaijan (Ictimai TV)
   * Belarus (BTRC)
   * Belgium (VRT)
   * Bosnia & Herzegovina (BHRT)
   * Bulgaria (BNT)
   * Croatia (HRT)
   * Cyprus (CyBC)
   * Denmark (DR)
   * Estonia (ERR)
   * Finland (YLE)
   * France (FT3)
   * FYR Macedonia (MKRTV)
   * Georgia (GEGT)
   * Germany (NDR/ARD)
   * Greece (ERT)
   * Iceland (RÚV)
   * Ireland (RTÉ)
   * Israel (IBA)
   * Latvia (LTV)
   * Lithuania (LRT)
   * Malta (PBS)
   * Moldova (TRM)
   * The Netherlands (TROS)
   * Norway (NRK)
   * Poland (TVP)
   * Portugal (RTP)
   * Romania (TVR)
   * Russia (RTR)
   * Serbia (RTS)
   * Slovakia (STV)
   * Slovenia (RTVSLO)
   * Spain (TVE)
   * Sweden (SVT)
   * Switzerland (SRG / SSR)
   * Turkey (TRT)
   * Ukraine (NTU)
   * United Kingdom (BBC)

Hope this helps the article. WestJet (talk) 12:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Telenor Arena

How in God's name could EBU allow Norway to host the contest in that building? It's completely small and the roof is not big enough. The roof cameras will have to zoom out so the stage will look big enough. I just don't get it. It should be a duty for the host country to provide seats for many as possible. The Norwegians will get the majority of the tickets while other simpletons will have to watch it at home, even though they intended to see it in the arena. It was even a bigger disaster in 1999 and 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.72.178 (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that this page is for discussion on improving the article only, not for talking about the article's subject. Camaron · Christopher · talk 15:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

telenor arena is the biggest place norway holds conserts. i believe that nrk wants it to hold 23000 people. i suggested a bigger place to nrk but they wouldnt listen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.108.222 (talk) 13:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Telenor Arena does not hold 23,000 people for sure. Belgrade Arena holds 23,000 people, excluding the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.72.178 (talk) 22:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ESC 2011!?

Why is there a link to the ESC 2011 (in the fact box), where the link leads only to the collection page for "Eurovision Song Contest"? /Hollac16 (talk) 10:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because Eurovision Song Contest 2011 redirects to Eurovision Song Contest until the host is decided chandler 11:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why do we need that for now? I think we can put that link when ESC 2010 are decided in May. /Hollac16 (talk) 18:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Someone created re-directs from the contest articles to Eurovision Song Contest right up to 2019. This may discourage pre-mature recreation of the article's by requiring users to "override" the re-directs to edit them directly, however you need an account to create a new page while IPs will be able to create a new article from a re-direct, so it could go either way. In any case, the link to next year's article appears to integrated into the {{Infobox Eurovision}} template and so cannot be changed on the article itself. Camaron · Christopher · talk 20:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

stage design

do anybody have any information on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.108.222 (talk) 22:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The stage design has yet to be announced, but please be aware that the talk page is for discussion on improving the article, thanks. -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 23:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC) the size of the stage was revealed in the news on tv2norway it will take up an entire side of telenor arena.--84.208.75.65 (talk) 23:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC) (the norwegian)[reply]

Turkey will select their song on 13th March?

The source about this information doesn't have anything about this. 85.103.113.54 (talk) 09:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Today disappears the semi-protection

As everyone knows, it is 12 January and today I want to remind all administrators that the semi-protection on this article will disappear now. I wonder if the deadlock will continue? For why the page was locked to anonymous persons vandalized the article. How will you do? I would suggest that the article is locked Until 7 June, 2010, for then the whole event was over + there is time left to fix things (like writing in the past). /Hollac16 (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested semi-protection in the past due to mostly unsourced information being added and reverted incessently. It has been granted with extending periods. There are a number of us keeping an eye out on the article and if the problem returns, protection may be requested again. ---- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 12:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With the participants list now out and settled, the speculation about other countries, a cause of previous protections, may no longer be such a factor. I am not re-protecting the page since I am involved, and a request at WP:RFPP is unlikely to be granted without first waiting to see what happens with unprotection. IPs can make substantial contributions to the article, though the article is a lot more "high maintenance" for those watching it with unprotection, and around the time of the contest it can just get out of control. Like Alexander, I will keep an eye on the article for now and see what happens. Camaron · Christopher · talk 16:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

possible withdrawals

it is possible that iceland have to withdraw becouse they are bankrupt. greece is also bankrupt.(or so i read.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.108.222 (talk) 20:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, if you wish to create a new section on a Wikipedia talk page please create it at the bottom of the page, see the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Secondly, some reliable sources will be required before such material can be added to the article. Camaron · Christopher · talk 20:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Iceland has already started their semi-finals. And Greece has announced their participations for the national final.--Redpower94 (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
iceland have a large loan. if they pay that back they will be bankrupt.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.108.222 (talk)

bærum not a part of oslo

i once lived near the borders of oslo. (on the oslo side.) bærum is in a whole other country named akershus. (not to be confused with the fortress in oslo.) in many areas a river separates oslo from akershus creating a fysical border. brigdes goes over it.(the norwgian) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.108.222 (talk) 23:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to Greater Oslo Region article Bærum is within the Inner Circle West of Greater Oslo, are you suggesting that this article is wrong? If the article is within Greater Oslo then the article could be adjusted slightly to fix the problem e.g. Telenor Arena, Bærum, Oslo, Norway -> Telenor Arena, Bærum, Greater Oslo, Norway. This is hardly an unusual issue though; if I asked someone in which city the Houses of Parliament were in the UK they would probably say the City of London, though it is actually in the City of Westminster (which is a city within its own right by official designation) within Greater London. Camaron · Christopher · talk 20:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The EBU and NRK seem to consider it Oslo. Maybe you could take it up with them, and get them to change the 2010 logo. Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i have already tried to get EBU and nrk to stop the lies but they ignored me.(the norwegian)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.65 (talk)
It is unclear though if when they say Oslo if they mean the City of Oslo or Greater Oslo, so clarifying this better in the article would not be problematic. Camaron · Christopher · talk 15:00, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
greater oslo isnt a place it is just a name used by a former bus company. (it means oslo and akershus) (the norwegian)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.65 (talk)
Do you have a source for this claim? Even if that is the case, if it is a now an adopted name it can still be used, and even ignoring that there is the Greater Oslo Region which is a wider area which can alternatively be referred to. Camaron · Christopher · talk 20:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
there isnt a greater oslo region it is just a company name but that company doesnt exist anymore. i talked to a friend that agrees with me.(the norwegian) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.65 (talk • contribs)
IP 84.208.75.65, please sign you posts using the button or by typing "~~~~", and make sure you comment on a new line. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 12:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changes to the article should only be made based on reliable sources, none have been presented so far, and rather sweeping claims of this sort need sources. A distinction is also made between the Greater Oslo Region and Greater Oslo, of which Bærum is in both - are these both former bus companies? Camaron · Christopher · talk 18:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
neither the greater oslo region or greater oslo exist. it was just a region operated by a former bus company(used to describe where that company operated.) oslo is the norwegian capital, contained within the county of oslo. you will just need to accept that all of you.--84.208.75.65 (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC) (the norwegian)[reply]
What you say could or could be not true as far as other editors and reader are concerned. If you want to make such a statement, you need to provide a reliable external source, not your own opinions or research. The fact is that this contest is being advertised by the EBU and NRK as taking place in Oslo. Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
nrk is a tv channel that is untrustworthy. they even lied about who wrote hold on be strong.(the song norway used in 2008) what i am telling is that nrk is a dishonest tv channel. that is their trademark. just read the aticle on bærum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A6rum --84.208.75.65 (talk) 19:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC) (the norwegian.)[reply]
The article on Bærum says it is a "suburb of Oslo". The Bokmål Bærum article appears to say something similar, so this is clearly not just a mis-translation issue. Wikipedia functions by verifiability; you are not going to get anywhere frankly unless you provide sources for your claims. Camaron · Christopher · talk 19:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are we still having the same conversation? -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 23:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

error in the money that was anounced.

nrk have anounced that they will spend 211 million norwegian crowns. it was adjusted up from 150 millions. i cant edit anymore without risking my internet connection. please correct the error.(the norwegian)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.108.222 (talk)

Could you find a reliable source for this please? Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the information was on nrk website last year. though they posted so much there that it disappeared. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.65 (talk • contribs)
I remember the story from ESCToday but never got round to adding it, I just did a search for "krone" and found the article again.[2] -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 14:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

13 years of absence aren't enough?

EBU may say all that it want, but last word on participation lays on broadcasters. Italy will be absent for sure, however NO statement has been made by RAI! If you find it, after 13 years... And for the future I suggest NO news about Italy until RAI will say a single speech about ESC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.179.18 (talk) 12:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am still waiting for a policy based reason to justify removal of sourced content made from a reliable source. As I have said previously, if a reliable source issues information relevant to the article that can be verified, then it is the function of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia to record such information. I really don't care if Italy haven't participated for 13 or 500 years; as long as the EBU, a reliable source, go on about, mentions of it will appear in Eurovision articles - full stop. Neither editors nor other sources (such as the RAI) have veto rights over statements of the EBU appearing. So as for the suggestion of no news about Italy unless unless RAI says so: sorry, no. For starters it is a bit of an unwise assumption that RAI are the only broadcaster that could deal with Italy's participation in Eurovision; in the past other countries have switched broadcasters such as with the Netherlands. More importantly however, the exclusion of the EBUs view of things based on personal opinion is a clear violation of the neutral point of view policy and should be dealt with as such. All significant views must be presented in the article fairly and without bias, selectively excluding statements about the EBU is intentionally or not, making the article biased, which is not acceptable. I don't see any significant difference between this and a suggestion of excluding reports from reliable sources about Kosovo (none have appeared this year but they may do in the future) because RTS says so. I will leave it for now, but unless a policy based reason for exclusion of such information is presented (note reasons along the line of X country hasn't participated for Y years or No statement from Z broadcaster are just personal opinions and not a policy based reason) then the content will be restored. Camaron · Christopher · talk 13:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For starters it is a bit of an unwise assumption that RAI are the only broadcaster that could deal with Italy's participation in Eurovision... but if I don't mistake, only broadcasters involved with EBU can deal with ESC, right? And RAI is the only broadcaster involved with EBU, I suppose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.179.18 (talk) 14:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes only EBU members can participate in Eurovision contests, though in theory at least, there is nothing stopping another Italian broadcaster from joining. Some countries do have more than one member as shown at European Broadcasting Union#Members. Camaron · Christopher · talk 19:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Azerbaijan

I have heard that Azerbaijan will choose their entry to ESC 2010 on 2 February 2010. Is that correct or not, beacause it has been removed in the semi-final table. I wonder why and I ask everyone if they have changed dates or made something else. The source for 2 February is ESCToday. I think that is a good source for ESC, but Im might wrong? /Hollac16 (talk) 23:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ESCToday is generally considered a good source for Eurovision information. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision/Archive 4#RfC on reliable sources for Eurovision articles for lots and lots of discussion regarding this. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My question is: Can I put 2 February 2010 on Azerbaijan choose song & artist or not? /Hollac16 (talk) 10:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If it can be appropriately sourced to ESCToday, then I see no problem. Camaron · Christopher · talk 13:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, then I put it back (as I did first, but it was remowed by someone here) /Hollac16 (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the SEMIFINAL is on the 2 February. The final is on a yet unknown date.Redpower94 (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The source clearly says "On February 2nd, the Azerbaijani semifinal for the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest will take place at the Buta Palace in Baku.The date for the national final has not been set yet. Therefore I think it's appropriate to remove the date from the table. DannyBoy20802 (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then we can't have it. /Hollac16 (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian entry

Juliana Pasha presented the English version of her song. It's not the final version, but the new title for it is It's all about you. Reference: http://meinenews.blog.de/2010/02/03/juliana-pasha-it-s-all-about-you-exklusiv-7936933/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.100.218 (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She presented the english version, but that doesn't mean that she will sing in english in Oslo (apart of be the most likely), in my opinion we should wait for an official annoucement from the Albanian TV, and not change the song rigth now João P. M. Lima (talk) 19:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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