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Subspecies

I'm not sure this great long subspecies list I found on the Catalan Wikipedia belongs here (especially until it can be found where each ssp occurs), so I'll add it here.

Coereba flaveola alleni Lowe, 1912
Coereba flaveola aterrima (Lesson, 1830)
Coereba flaveola atrata (Lawrence, 1878)
Coereba flaveola bahamensis (Reichenbach, 1853)
Coereba flaveola bananivora (Gmelin, 1789)
Coereba flaveola barbadensis (Baird, 1873)
Coereba flaveola bartholemica (Sparrman, 1788)
Coereba flaveola bolivari Zimmer & W.H. Phelps, 1946
Coereba flaveola bonairensis Voous, 1955
Coereba flaveola caboti (Baird, 1873)
Coereba flaveola caucae Chapman, 1914
Coereba flaveola cerinoclunis Bangs, 1901
Coereba flaveola chloropyga (Cabanis, 1850)
Coereba flaveola columbiana (Cabanis, 1866)
Coereba flaveola dispar Zimmer, 1942
Coereba flaveola ferryi Cory, 1909
Coereba flaveola flaveola (Linnaeus, 1758)
Coereba flaveola frailensis W.H. Phelps & W.H. Phelps Jr, 1946
Coereba flaveola gorgonae Thayer & Bangs, 1905
Coereba flaveola guianensis (Cabanis, 1850)
Coereba flaveola intermedia (Salvadori & Festa, 1899)
Coereba flaveola laurae Lowe, 1908
Coereba flaveola lowii Cory, 1909
Coereba flaveola luteola (Cabanis, 1850)
Coereba flaveola magnirostris (Taczanowski, 1880)
Coereba flaveola martinicana (Reichenbach, 1853)
Coereba flaveola melanornis W.H. Phelps & W.H. Phelps Jr, 1954
Coereba flaveola mexicana (P.L. Sclater, 1857)
Coereba flaveola minima (Bonaparte, 1854)
Coereba flaveola montana Lowe, 1912
Coereba flaveola nectarea Wetmore, 1929
Coereba flaveola newtoni (Baird, 1873)
Coereba flaveola oblita Griscom, 1923
Coereba flaveola obscura Cory, 1913
Coereba flaveola pacifica Lowe, 1912
Coereba flaveola portoricensis (H. Bryant, 1866)
Coereba flaveola roraimae Chapman, 1929
Coereba flaveola sanctithomae (Sundevall, 1870)
Coereba flaveola sharpei (Cory, 1886)
Coereba flaveola tricolor (Ridgway, 1884)
Coereba flaveola uropygialis Berlepsch, 1892

Maybe the IBC will have a list. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 00:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Species Splits

Following phylogenetic studies of this species (Bellemain, Bermingham, and Ricklefs et. al. 2008) and given the proposed species (PS) status for two of the subspecies, C. flaveola bahamensis and C. flaveola bartholemica by the IOC, I have created two additional pages for these species. C. bartholemica is a binomial that currently includes 4 of the previous C. flaveola subspecies including bartholemica, dominicana, martinicana, and sanctithomae forms. Only the the bartholemica and bahamensis forms have been declared eligible for species status so other promising species candidates such as portoricensis will be retained as subspecies of flaveola for the time being until further studies are done. I was going to consider adding a Bananaquit complex page but maybe for the sake of simplicity that will be retained as the original C. flaveola article with an explanation of the current phylogenetic understandings. I will add the full listing of subspecies as per Innotata.--Famedalupi (talk) 04:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I went forward with creating the genus page. This should be sufficient. --Famedalupi (talk) 06:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The pages now need a bit of cleaning up. I said that I wasn't certain the ssp list was accurate, and it would be good to compare it with that at the Internet Bird Collection (which is operated by the publisher that makes the Handbook of the Birds of the World. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 15:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wait! They are only proposed species, on a non-taxonomic checklist, so I'll probably merge the pages. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 15:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's important to maintain the proposed species pages because of the inevitability of the taxa to be recognized as distinct species. Contrary to the lack of resolution by committees, it is still knowledge of significance and still deserves recognition. Incertae sedis placement of the genus will be maintained to reflect the lack of any concensus, but there's no logical reason to hold off on article creation for taxon on the road between hypothetical and scientifically distinct. If you think it is necessary, the proposed species pages may be organized by the name of their Coereba flaveola ssp. form, as has been done with the Somali Ostrich which is more or less reflective of a similar situation (studies support the splits but the move is considered an upheavel by ornithological standards so union/committee acceptance is, as a result, slow and obstinate. --Famedalupi (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]