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This article is about a current event - it is being filled right now. Please do contribute. Toitoine (talk) 06:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Refs etc

Appears he had an account (now 'blocked') http://mediaelites.com/2010/03/05/j-patrick-bedell-on-wikipedia/

See User:JPatrickBedell --220.101.28.25 (talk) 11:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

. Patrick BedellMSEE Student

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Education San Jose State University University of California, Santa Cruz Connections 25 connections Industry Consumer Electronics Websites My Website http://infoeng.sourceforge.net/

J. Patrick Bedell’s Education San Jose State University none , Biochemistry , 1995 — 1996

University of California, Santa Cruz B.S. , Physics , 1992 — 1994

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--220.101.28.25 (talk) 11:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://en DOT metapedia DOT org/wiki/John_Patrick_Bedell --220.101.28.25 (talk) 11:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LRC and LvMI

gee, wikipedia being used to smear LRC and LvMI with guilt by association? you don't say. and in the only factoid on the page that have no citation, during the article's first few hours of life, no less. 128.128.98.71 (talk) 16:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I have removed unreferenced assertions. The article will probably be moved to something like 2010 Pentagon shooting anyway due to WP:ONEEVENT. Copana2002 (talk) 16:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a name change would probably be the way to go. If it isn't deleted first! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 16:49, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User Page

Question: Should a "See Also" with referene to his user page be added? Also, should a redirect be created for "JPatrickBedell"?--v/r - TP 17:38, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well the user page was deleted (though talk and contribs still exist) and self-references in themselves aren't permitted. I'd say a JPatrickBedell redirect (in the article space, obviously not userspace) would be warranted, considering that is a plausible search term with the media coverage of his online activities. Joshdboz (talk) 18:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sabow beliefs at center of attack

How best to address the conspiracy theories at the center? This was published a couple of days ago[1] And additionally, the Christian Science Monitor is also explicitly covering the angle here:[2] Interestingly Congress has even enacted legislation[3](Pages: 6, 66, & 102) ordering a formal "Reinvestigation of Death of Col. Sabow". Personally I don't have the desire to write these articles, but there are some quite notable mentions to be found there. Also, some reports indicate they were next door neighbors, but I'm unable to ref that.99.151.172.170 (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, there was also a trove of information and references here at Wikipedia under the shooter's user account. Much of it, including his user page and extensive work on a Col. James E. Sabow article was deleted this morning. Don't expect to find much useful stuff there - from what little hints remain it looks quite ranty and OR. Probably not unexpected given the quite unbalanced actions alleged. Here's the User page[4], and what remains of the Ed's contrib's:[5] Almost everything Sabow related has been scrubbed. 99.151.172.170 (talk) 18:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it would be useful, it looks like his user page may have been his suicide note and gives his reasons for attacking the Pentagon - specifically to bring "Justice" as he has put it elsewhere to a Col. Sabow. How exactly though would we ref a Wiki user page?99.151.172.170 (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's too well scrubbed to find - along with the deleted pages each and every record even of any edit he ever did to his user page, or Sabow has vanished. No way of telling what else may have been hidden.99.151.172.170 (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All right. The web is being scrubbed of all traces of this guy (his facebook account has been deleted, for example), but references to his beliefs should be kept here. For a screen capture of his facebook page: http://mediaelites.com/2010/03/05/j-patrick-bedell-on-wikipedia/ showing, among other things, his association with the LvMI (see also his postings on the mises institute website: http://blog.mises.org/?p=006071). Wikipedia is not the internet archive, but we do not have to follow the "scrubbers" in deleting valuable information. Toitoine (talk) 19:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming this page

We generally don't name these sorts of things after the person, but rather after the incident, e.g. Joe Stack is a redirect to 2010 Austin plane crash, Russell Eugene Weston Jr. redirects to United States Capitol shooting incident (1998), and so on. Unless there are better suggestions, 2010 Pentagon shooting would IMO be the most fitting choice. Tarc (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Be Bold WP:Bold. Llamabr (talk) 20:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Go for It, and while you're at it can someone please restore the "shooting" section? NB I wrote entered and formatted a lot of this article, I know I don't WP:OWN it but its' disheartening to be literally up all night fighting off crap to make a decent article and now some registered editors seem to be edit warring a little. Another IP 99.151.172.170 who had been reverting a real vandal has been accused of vandalism themself. Silly! Whinge OVER!
This is what is missing DIFF Please? --220.101.28.25 (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Restored by Toitoin, thanks! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 21:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

The current picture (arrest file) is crappy to say the least - and its copyright status is not very clear either (police? Bedell?). His facebook picture is much better:

File:Jpbedell.jpg
Picture from Facebook profile of suspect

. What should be the copyright status of a facebook picture of a dead person? Should we restore this picture?

Toitoine (talk) 20:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

openinsurgent project?

Bedell created this project, hosted on google code: http://code.google.com/p/openinsurgent/ It went nowhere, but does contain some valuable information about his beliefs and associations. I think a short blurb would belong in the article. Thoughts? Toitoine (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was in there, I think even before I started expanding the article about 10+ hours ago! and was removed!. No, it wasn't YOU started this article! (I just noticed, sorry!) It was going fine until the edit warring started! Hope you have slept I havent! MAybe YOU couls restore the "Shooting" section An remove all that blog crap!? --220.101.28.25 (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The shooting section has been restored - as for the blog links and facebook profile, we could probably improve it, but I feel it belongs here. His long rambling drivels serve as evidence that he, shall I say, wasn't playing with a full deck.

Toitoine (talk) 20:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, message on your talk. Thing is the Facebook will go, and remember WP:RS too! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bedell created another google code project: http://code.google.com/p/rothbardix/ Rothbardix Linux is a distribution of which Bedell was the sole contributor. It is also the name of one of his blogs. "Rothbardix Linux realizes the ideas of Murray Rothbard in easy-to-use systems for secure financial cooperation." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.50.6 (talk) 21:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Beliefs

Under the "Educational Philosophy" section of JPatrickBedell's Wikiversity page, http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:JPatrickBedell/Educational_philosophy, he states "My goal in this development is to implement in free software new economic mechanisms that will validate the truth of scholars such as Murray Rothbard or Ludwig von Mises." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.50.6 (talk) 21:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why was his Wikipedia page taken down?

There was (past tense) a wealth of information on Bedell's Wiki page (see Google Cache) to show what his beliefs were. However, it was, for some "unknown" reason, taken down and now we have this page... which lists his beliefs as "Libertarian". 911 Truthers aren't Libertarian.

This whole thing (the sudden appearance of this page and the taking down of Bidell's page) shows so vividly how Wikipedia has violated their own ethics and have ground into dust their reason for existing... they have ceased to be facilitators of knowledge and have become purveyors of what THEY want people to see.

Sickening... however, a very good example of why people don't trust Wikipedia.

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