Talk:Geoffrey A. Landis
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POV
"foremost" is POV. Avt tor 10:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
PROD
I did the prod. It's phrased like an advertisement, plus most of the information isn't even verified (and the ones that are verified look like OR). Cervantes de Leon (talk) 01:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- what's a PROD? I'm pretty good with TLAs, but the FLA leaves me wondering. Geoffrey.landis (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- PROD = PROposed Deletion. No offense, Mr. Landis, but presently your article doesn't meet Wikipedia standards. Your article must be phrased objectively; presently, since it's written (I presume) mostly by yourself, it isn't really phrased objectively. Furthermore, in order to meet the notability requirements specified by WP:BIO, you need to list some third-party sources--in other words, you have to list a source where someone completely separate from you talks about you (like, for example, when someone completely independent of Albert Einstein writes an essay on his successes). The information on this page would be more appropriately placed on your user page. Your user page can be created exactly how you want it to, and it can say anything about you without conforming to any policy guidelines. However, if you choose to make a real Wikipedia about yourself, it must conform to the policies. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 21:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- My advice, ditch the acronyms; they do not assist in making communication clearer.
- Nope, I didn't write the page, although I do keep an eye on it and correct and update details as needed. Geoffrey.landis (talk)
- I agree--some of them get a little burdensome, but WP:PROD is one that has been widely used by the community since before I started editing. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 22:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Since you don't seem to understand the process, know that this article will be deleted in 7 days from the time the PROD tag was posted (which was yesterday). You can, by Wikipedia policy, object to my PROD by removing its tag from the top of your article. If you object to my PROD, you must specify why, and you must resolve the issues that I've pointed out. If you remove the PROD, I cannot re-propose your article for deletion, but I can nominate it for a deletion discussion by the community. If the community then decides that your article is in violation of policy, then it will be deleted.Cervantes de Leon (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if Wikipedia decides to delete the page, that would seem silly to me, but, hey, I suppose I'm biased. Are you going to go through the rest of Category: American science fiction writers and delete them for insufficient references, too? Or are you only deleting people from Winnetka? Geoffrey.landis (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Technically, the Wikipedia community as a whole should actively be reviewing every category and every article for lack of citations and WP:NPOV. I, however, am only one person, and I, originating from Winnetka myself, am presently only focusing on the Winnetka page and associated pages. My goal is to ultimately delete the [Category:People from Winnetka, Illinois] per WP:OCAT, but when I tried before, the community consensus was that the category could not be deleted without checking all of the articles it contained for policy standards, your article included. You do, however, I said before, have some options; this page doesn't have to be deleted. If you resolve the problems so that it meets policy, then it is fair game. You can move the text to your userpage as I suggested to preserve the information written about you. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 22:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if Wikipedia decides to delete the page, that would seem silly to me, but, hey, I suppose I'm biased. Are you going to go through the rest of Category: American science fiction writers and delete them for insufficient references, too? Or are you only deleting people from Winnetka? Geoffrey.landis (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- PROD = PROposed Deletion. No offense, Mr. Landis, but presently your article doesn't meet Wikipedia standards. Your article must be phrased objectively; presently, since it's written (I presume) mostly by yourself, it isn't really phrased objectively. Furthermore, in order to meet the notability requirements specified by WP:BIO, you need to list some third-party sources--in other words, you have to list a source where someone completely separate from you talks about you (like, for example, when someone completely independent of Albert Einstein writes an essay on his successes). The information on this page would be more appropriately placed on your user page. Your user page can be created exactly how you want it to, and it can say anything about you without conforming to any policy guidelines. However, if you choose to make a real Wikipedia about yourself, it must conform to the policies. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 21:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
On the surface, the guy seems WP:N. I am not an expert on the field and am not qualified to determine what claims are valid. I would suggest a full WP:AFD fi some agreement is not reached supporting notability.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- 'Mars Crossing alone has 588 library holdings and is sure to have reviews. Anyway, a Hugo and a Nebula award makes for very clear notability. meets WP:AUTHOR., as recipient of major literary prizes. DGG ( talk ) 05:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- Noted, but I'd still argue that the article is completely devoid of inline citations and has been since its creation. The only three references listed at the bottom are all invalid: the first is a primary source, the second is is just a patent listing, and the third is a broken link. Regardless, the PROD was removed, and I'll play by the rules: moving to full-on WP:AFD. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 00:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Just considered something: Hugo and Nebula awards are unverified in this article. Notability still in question? I might include this in the AFD proposal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cervantes de Leon (talk • contribs) 00:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind, they've been verified. I rest my case. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 14:22, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Just considered something: Hugo and Nebula awards are unverified in this article. Notability still in question? I might include this in the AFD proposal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cervantes de Leon (talk • contribs) 00:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Noted, but I'd still argue that the article is completely devoid of inline citations and has been since its creation. The only three references listed at the bottom are all invalid: the first is a primary source, the second is is just a patent listing, and the third is a broken link. Regardless, the PROD was removed, and I'll play by the rules: moving to full-on WP:AFD. Cervantes de Leon (talk) 00:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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