User talk:Huon

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Air force acquisition

I've declined speedy, because this is not a copyvio. Before tagging articles for deletion for copyvio, you might want to check that it actually is a copyvio. U.S. military websites, like the one you referenced, are in the public domain, and state so. AKRadecki^Speaketh 16:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for making an edit to my creation,that article on Kosuke Koyama. I am hoping that an article on a distinguished Japanese-American thinker will soon be up from stub class. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

paypoint.net

Huon, thanks for your help in this, if I was to change the casino source to the following url :http://www.crime-research.org/news/18.07.2008/3463/, would that be better? (Dina Jones (talk) 09:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC))[reply]

thanks for your reply. The reason why I feel paypoint.net should have a separate page from paypoint plc is because their service offering is completely different. I have added a new source again, please let me know your thoughts. (Dina Jones (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC))[reply]

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QRZ11.COM

Ich habe Deine Nachricht an Sandstein gesehen. Das Problem bei QRZ11.com ist, daß jegliche unabhängige Quellen fehlen und der Artikel so wohl entweder als Spam oder wegen fehlenden Nachweises der "notability" (sprich: wegen Unwichtigkeit) gelöscht werden wird. Der "Modern tools"-Artikel hat ebenfalls keine Quellen, und der Eindruck entsteht, daß der hauptsächliche Sinn ist, auf QRZ11 etc. hinzuweisen. Selbst wenn dem nicht so wäre, wären Quellen nötig, sonst gibt es wieder Probleme mit notability und "original research". Wenn also eine Zeitung oder Zeitschrift über QRZ11 berichtet hat, solltest Du unbedingt eine Quellenangabe hinzufügen. Gruß, Huon (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hallo Huon,

Danke für Deine Antwort. Ja das ist gar nicht so einfach mit wiki :-). Aber ich bin schon mal happy dass Du da bist. Ich blicke bei Wiki noch nicht so ganz durch. Naja, vielleicht kommt das ja noch.

Ich will auf keinen Fall Werbung machen. Das geht bei QRZ11 schon von ganz alleine. Nur weiß ich nicht was ich noch machen soll. Wie soll ich den Text verfassen das keiner ihn als Spam od. Werbung sieht. QRZ11.com ist eins der meist gebrauchten Hilfsmittel im 11merter band. Quellen gibt es duzende. Gehe mal auf Google. Wie würdest Du denn so einen Text verfassen? Es brauch ja nicht ne eigene Seite zu sein. Man kann auch den Text zu einem Anderen hinzufügen der auch mit funk zu tun hat.

LG aus dem 38C heißen Namibia Michael QRZ11 (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Syren

Why did you said that the Syren (book) page I've created doesn't have a good source? The source, as I mentioned there, is Amazon.de. Everybody knows what Amazon is...

Belated thank you

Hi Huon,
Thank you indeed for setting things straight here. It was both an education in the subject matter, and a salutary (add User:Shirt58 to this page?) wake-up call. And both are sincerely appreciated!
--Shirt58 (talk) 10:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're a vandal, apparently.

Khamosh has undone your revision to the Anthony Flew article, accusing you and Michael Johnson of "vandalism". (Please note that there is nothing new in him throwing around accusations of bad faith, as he does it all the time to me and Jeff5102.)

Regards,

— Hyperdeath^(Talk) 19:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Huon, it seems that you are quite new to the debate on Antony Flew's article. So, I strongly suggest you go to the talk page, and read my old comments and discussions with Hyper Death, rather than accusing me of not getting involved in the discussions. Yours, Khamosh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khamosh (talk • contribs) 21:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Repositioned post

Hi, in Talk:Antony_Flew I've repositioned your post slightly, in order to make the debate format slightly clearer. I've also added "Prefer A" above your post (If you feel this is too strong a description of your position, feel free to remove it.)

Thanks — Hyperdeath^(Talk) 23:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Septimus Heap

Hi, a new article on the Septimus Heap (character) has been created with proper references, character criticism and real world scenarios. Please review it and leave your comments at the discussion page. "Legolas" (talk) 06:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your inputs Huon. I'll update the page and move it to Septimus Heap (character). Take care! :) "Legolas" (talk) 12:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, i have found similar real-world criticisms for principal characters like Jenna Heap, Marcia Overstrand and quite a few small characters on the web. Do you think it will be fruitful to create the separate pages on these principal characters and a separate page with the list of all the characters? "Legolas" (talk) 12:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you didnot respond to my last querry. Hence i have created the articles on Jenna Heap and Marcia Overstrand. Please can you go through it, and leave your ratings and comments in the talk page about what more can be developed to make the articles better? Waiting for your comments "Legolas" (talk) 03:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Judkin-Fitzgerald Baronets

...and the article continues its incomprehensible stream of consciousness. Check out the edit history - almost 150 edits by the same user right back to creation, save about half a dozen others who have tried in vain to clean up the disaster. I'm reluctant to revert the lot, as I've had previous heated discussions with this editor on another page he frequents. But what to do? It's definitely over the line regarding WP:NOTDIR.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 14:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC) ... does it not take two to make something heated Yeti Hunter? I seem to recall indiscriminant cryptic undo-ing without much discussion nothing on the Marble Hill discussion page at the time to a point where an alternative Editor finally arbitrated, you apologised and the Marble Hill Protection Bill was finally given an entryMifren (talk) 16:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Anthony Flew poll

Hi,

I have started another poll on the Anthony Flew article, at Talk:Antony Flew#Poll on inclusion versus removal of Flew's criticism of Richard Dawkins.

Regards,

— Hyperdeath^(Talk) 16:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Deleted post

User Khamosh has deleted your post to the Anthony Flew talk page:

(Difference shown here)

Regards,

— Hyperdeath^(Talk) 11:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Committee Quote

Thanks for that remark related to help finding the "verified" quote. I truly have searched and have had no luck. Please post it if you can find it at wikisource or elsewhere. Thanks again Capitalismojo (talk) 16:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thanks for your useful edits to Rawzor. As per your tag, I have added more references to the page, is it enough or do we need more or different references? Schngrg (talk) 22:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Asif Ali Zardari

Hi there, it's a fact that Asif Ali Zardari belongs to the Baloch people ethnic group and all Baloch are Sunni Muslims. Please do not follow the unreliable sources that mentions him being a Shia without them providing references. I mean Vali Nasr is for a fact a Shia nationalist living in America who knows little about Pakistan and its politicians, he knows as much as regular Americans do. See online about his shia sect, which is not indicated at his Wiki article. That's done for a cause, to not show his shia nationalism. Hint: 95% Iranians are shias and he is Iranian. Nasr only believes that Zardari is Shia but he provides no evidence. The Shias believe that anyone with the name Ali must be supporter of Shia cause because Shias are followers of Ali. They failed to realize that all Sunnis strongly believe in and love Ali because he was son inlaw and cousin of the prophet, Mohammad. When it comes to Wikipedia,,,not any source can be treated as a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources

Asif Ali Zardari is a Sindhi

President Asif Ali Zardari is a Sindhi, Zardari is a Sindhi tribe, its head is Hakim Ali Zardari, BBC has also published this, and I've given almost 40,50 sources, WHY it's being reverted again and again?

Please protect that page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiyebhutto (talk • contribs) 16:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Business Plot

We have a possible consensus on the lede, please take a gander when you have a moment.

Also look at the bottom of the talk page. I have determined that a key quote from the committee's findings has apparently been massaged (altered) to make it appear that the committee was alleging people were attempting to create a fascist government when, in fact, the committee asserted there were possible attempts to create a fascist organization.Capitalismojo (talk) 22:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Septimus Heap again

Its been long that we have acquainted. I have seen you reverting fancruft and unsourced addition from the Septimus Heap page, hence I thought of notifying you also. A particluar user Shauki Alg is adding book covers to the article. The image fais WP:NFCC#1 itself and is devoid of any rationale thus not justifying WP:NFCC#3a also. The user then started using sockpuppetry to add unsourced information about the Septimus Heap movie in the article. I'm keeping an eye but will you please do the same? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forest Theater Image

Your third party opinion was appreciated. Its reassuring to have an uninvolved party step in and help. Unfortunately, AMadScientist has acted without consensus (or any support for that matter) and reverted the image again at the Forest Theater page. Are you able to take any action here? Thanks. Smatprt (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I actualy came by just to drop this note; When you said on the Carmel talk page "The WPA image doesn't really add much information over what is already written; I couldn't recognize the construction site for a theater if the caption didn't say so." That was a good argument and makes sense.

But I should also say that I do not recall making any image reverts on the Forest Theater page.[1]--Amadscientist (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No personal attacks, please!

See Here ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 19:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fatima Jinnah

Hi, Will you please tell me why you have removed the Shia sect of Fatima Jinnah. As she her self file a case in Pakistan declaring herself and Muhammad Ali Jinnah a shia and want the property distribution under shia law. Do you have any reason removing this tag.

Stop untag of Shia Personalities

I have been following you for your false edits on certain articles relating to Shia personalities like Muhammed Ali Jinnah and Fatima Jinnah, its a fact that both of them were Shia Muslims. Which i guess you are not able to digest by showing you prejudice acts against them by false editing and removing the information supporting the claim of them being Shia. Please Stop it. I have been repeatedly restoring the actual facts which you distort repeatedly on no ethical grounds or reference. Paki90 (talk) 22:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

freikorps march thank you

response from what you wrote on my talk page:

thanks for pointing this out. I have the book I cited here with me, and it does in fact say twelve thousand miles, sometimes at 40 miles a day. but i have to agree with you that it is hard to understand how its possible. I changed it from '12000 miles march' to read 'very long march' instead, which is not inaccurate, as it is in fact a long way from berlin to latvia. perhaps someone can dig into other sources later on and give some more details. Decora (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Hi, thanks for reverting the unsourced additions to Asif Ali Zardari. I had meant to remove the comment about his schooling; somehow I messed up with the undo button. Thanks again. Evil saltine (talk) 09:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You deleter, you.

I was inspired![2] ~YellowFives 14:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joe McElderry

The AfD for Joe McElderry which you participared in closed as Redirect to List_of_The_X_Factor_finalists_(UK_series_6). There is a proposal now at Talk:List_of_The_X_Factor_finalists_(UK_series_6)#Joe_McElderry_2 to restore an independent article and your opinion would be welcome there. I42 (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks

Thank you for putting me in the right spot, and especially for telling me about it. --Neptunerover (talk) 18:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inverted World

An image of The Inverted World may be seen at http://www.amazon.com/Inverted-World-Novel-Christopher-Priest/dp/0060134216 Fred Talk 16:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An image of Inverted World may be seen at http://www.amazon.com/Inverted-World-Review-Books-Classics/dp/1590172698/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265468324&sr=1-4 - the book was published under both titles. The Hugo Awards use Inverted World as primary title and note the "The" variant as alternative: Hugo. I'd suggest using the Hugo title version for the Hugo article; I didn't change the author's article where both versions are used. If further discussion is desired, we should probably choose either the author's talk page or the Hugo Award for best novel talk page. Huon (talk) 23:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1200s BC

Short answer: There are no secondary sources? Then this stuff would be unsuitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, per WP:NOR. Besides, claiming that places like Tarentum or Heraclea Minoa weren't Greek colonies seems far-fetched.

I wrote my answer on talk page of that article... but I'm talking about 1200s BC in Italy, the period of Aeneas. He was a Trojan hero & the Romans knew that the Anatolian people came to Italy in the past... It is not just a myth! For example, do we know the history of Sicily in 1200s BC very well? The history of that time is different from the history of Greek Sicily in 400s BC...There are 800 years between these periods! So we can't call the people of Sicily as Greeks in 1200s BC! Böri (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sources: You can see the list of the books of Bilge Umar ... Ancient Greeks and the Romans didn't know anything about the Luwians... but today we know that the Luwians were living in Anatolia & in Greece before the Greeks came. Böri (talk) 14:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Greek" place names?

Not only Taras (Tarentum) but also these place names were not Greek names: Athens(Athenai), Crete, Lemnos, Lesbos, Chios, Samos, Kos, Corinth(Korinthos), Sparta, Smyrna(İzmir), etc. The Achaeans(= Greeks) invaded Greece & the western parts of Anatolia and changed the names like that: Lazpa to Lesbos, etc. (adding -os suffix to some of them...) These place names don't mean anything in Greek! See also Pre-Greek substrate article... Böri (talk) 12:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Before we delve deeper into the details of ancient history and/or etymology, could you please state your purpose? What's this all about?

At the beginning, these place names were not Greek names... & some gods and goddesses like Apollo and Artemis were not Greek gods... They were Anatolian gods!(but Zeus & Poseidon were "the real" Greek gods, I also wrote the list of them.) Today, most of the people in the world don't know these things! That's the purpose! There are 800 years between 1200s BC and 400s BC...(like that there are 800 years between 2000 BC and 1200 BC!) We call all of them Greeks but they were different! If you look at Mycenaean Greece article, it says: Mycenaean Greece (c. 1600 BC – c. 1100 BC). These place names were older than 1600 BC! (For example, Parma was an Etruscan place name, but the Romans and the Italians of today, didn't change this name, they use it as Parma! So Achaeans also used Pre-Greek place names! Regards Böri (talk) 13:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two comments:

We should not continue this discussion on my talk page. Other people may be interested in the topic, and this is the last place anybody but you and me would look for the discussion. Talk:Luwian language may be a better venue.
I still don't see what you intend. Take, for example, the list of place names of "Luwian" origin - do you intend to add that information to some article? To what article? Are there secondary sources for the claims you make (for example, that the Spartan settlers in Tarentum made up a story about what they named their city after, or that Padua and Patala share a common etymology)? Right now I could see, for example, a small subsection in the History of Italy article giving the theory of the Anatolian origin of the Etruscans (which is already covered in more detail in the Etruscan articles), but I can't judge whether this is the historians' mainstream position, whether it's one of several equally valid theories or whether it represents an exotic fringe.

Given that by now you've linked your theories to both the Minoans (virtually extinct by 1400 BC, replaced by the Mycenaeans) and to the Trojan war in about 1200 BC, I get the impression that you adhere to a grand Anatolian theory and grasp at every straw that might support it, even if it contradicts other such straws. That's probably much too harsh, but I don't see any proposed changes to articles on your part, and I can't even see what articles you see as insufficient. For example, the Greek god articles I looked at already contain something concerning the etymology and origin (sometimes agreeing with your claims, sometimes contradicting them), so there doesn't seem to be a significant gap in Wikipedia's coverage. Huon (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the Anatolian hypothesis... The Minoans were Luwians! There are similar names: Mount Ida (Crete) and Mount Ida (Turkey) (so it is not just a theory!) and Knossos = a -ss name like Halicarnassus (Halikarnassos)... Böri (talk) 09:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting bizarre. There's also Mount Ida, Arkansas, the fictional Plain of Ida of Norse mythology and the Barony of Ida in Ireland. Should I thus advance the theory that the Norse gods, the Britons and, for good measure, the settlers of Arkansas also were Luwians? I'm pretty sure I can find "-ss" names in those contexts, too... (By the way, Knossos seems to be spelled with just one sigma, unlike Halikarnassos, which once again was founded and probably named by Doric Greeks). And I can't see how the Anatolian hypothesis, which concerns migrations between 6500 BC and 3000 BC, is supposed to fit into all this. Actually it seems to contradict the theory that the Minoans were Luwians because the Anatolian languages are supposed to have been split off from the rest of the Indo-European languages before all of Europe but Anatolia was settled by Indo-Europeans, with the settlers speaking the non-Anatolian branch.

But you still didn't answer the most important question: If we could find reliable sources for whatever theory you actually propose, what changes to articles do you suggest? Why do we even discuss all this? Huon (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1) Halikarnassos, which once again was founded and probably named by Doric Greeks This is not so true! It became a Doric Greek city after the Greek invasion! You can see arna- and -ss part of it. The name was something like Alikarnassa, the Greeks changed it into Halikarnassos Before the Greeks came, no one was living there! :) Of course, that's not true! The assimilation of the Western Anatolian people made them Greeks! 2) for Mount Ida, Arkansas; the Americans knew the Greek mythology and they gave that name... That's a new name! Mount Ida of Anatolia and Mount Ida of Crete were Pre-Greek names... There are also Larissa, Turkey and Larissa of Greece and you can see there are many Olympus (Olympos) mountains... They were all Pre-Greek names. I wrote them on talk page, I want everyone to think about them... Böri (talk) 11:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but a) I don't think you got Greek colonization right, and b) "wanting everyone to think about something" is not the purpose of Wikipedia - Wikipedia is not a soapbox. I don't think your recent additions to talk pages are helpful to Wikipedia, and they also sound like original research. Huon (talk) 12:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1) If it (Halicarnassus) was a Greek City, what does it mean in Greek? Why didn't they give it a Greek name? 2)It is not an original research, the historians knew these things since 1890s! Böri (talk) 12:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Greek, much less classical Greek, and am no etymologist. But I can easily provide names of American cities which don't mean anything in English without being of Native American origin - the "Ida" part of Mount Ida, Arkansas may be an example. Thus, I don't think that "it doesn't mean anything in Greek" necessarily implies that the Greek colonists, who indeed built their new city from scratch, re-used a local name.
If it is not original research, can you provide references to those historians and their work? But honestly I'm neither knowledgeable enough nor interested enough to see any profit to either of us in continuing this discussion about iron age migrations for fun. Huon (talk) 14:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When people think about The Ancient Greece, they think about the age of Pericles and the age of Alexander the Great; but Greece between 2000s BC-1600 BC was different from those periods... That's all I wanted to say! The Pre-Greek people had their own culture, own language, own gods, etc. Even Athens and Sparta were enemies...(today, we call both of them Greeks but their languages were also different from each other) This was not a bad discussion. At least, we talked about these things... Regards Böri (talk) 14:04, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Baronies at leads of Irish towns

Hi. I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why you removed the newly created Eliogarty link at Thurles 'See also' in anticipation of its removal at lead. The only other ed. who has contributed on this seems to have taken up my proposal to have the barony article linked here. Is every village in the country now to have a ref. at lead to these redundant admin. districts? It should be noted that the Baronies of Ireland have been rated as of low importance to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:ALSO "see also" sections are for links that ideally should be mentioned in the article, but aren't. As long as the lead links to Eliogarty and to Baronies of Ireland, there's no need to add the same links to a "see also" section. I'm not sure whether the lead is the best place for that information; a "history" section might be better, but for most of those villages we probably don't have enough content to fill it. In those cases I actually prefer the lead to the "see also" crutch. But if you and Laurel Lodged agree that at the moment a "see also" section is the best place for that information and that it should be removed from the lead, I won't mind. Huon (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reply. I see your point. Its a bit of a 'chicken and egg situation' and I agree that ideally the link should be made in the text body in a historical context. I'll hold my peace so long as they don't start popping up in multiple leads. RashersTierney (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent AfD closure

You closed the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Anisul Hussain as "delete". I had tried to simultaneously nominate the almost identical article Syed Anisul Husnain, but either you missed it when performing the actual deletions, or I didn't make my intent clear enough. In the first case, please delete it as well; in the second, should I just initiate a separate AfD? Huon (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just missed it and have deleted it now; in future, you should just tag the page as {{db-afd}}. Stifle (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Danger Along the Ohio

Thanks for clearing up References for Danger Along the Ohio! :] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Be a see (talk • contribs) 18:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]