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Why is this company so hard to research...

Hmm. Judging from this article, one could easily guess that DynCorp was the personification of evil and its employees all servants of Satan. The truth? Like most huge corporations, DynCorp has many branches, many of which are involved in perfectly upstanding activities, and many of its employees honestly believe that their work helps to serve the public good. In an organization this large, there is little guarantee that the right thumb knows what the right pinkie is doing, much less what the left hand is doing. Certainly, when I worked for FMAS, we knew that it had recently been bought by a defense contractor, but that didn't change my team's focus from ensuring that people who needed it got the best healthcare possible for the least amount of taxpaper money. If the article is going to be this long, it should also be much more balanced. I don't have the time to research and revise it, though, and as a former employee, however briefly, I'm probably not the best person to do so anyway. --Bedawyn 23:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage you to edit it. Kingturtle 03:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, sorry. Even if I had the time this month, which I don't, I still wouldn't -- I just don't care about DynCorp enough to spend my precious time on it. ;-) There are far too many topics I care about more to occupy my energy. --Bedawyn 19:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

obviously you do care about it or you wouldn't be here and make an edit, but since you say that you have nothing to add you seem as if you shouldn't be here so why did you go ahead and make an edit anyway? Bah!

DynCorp have a reputation among other PSCs, governments, NGOs and locals as being an aggressive and, for want of a better word, nasty company. They're not a member of the IPOA, I assume because of their poor reputation. There are many many PSCs out there, people aren't forced to chose DynCorp, they could easily chose another company with a much better reputation.

According to IPOA's website they are a member. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakaroo (talk • contribs) 16:31, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they apparently joined in April 2007, 9 months after the start of this thread. Thundermaker (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced

I reverted all of the unsourced claims and POV as per WP:V and WP:NPOV.⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 02:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the word "mercenary" in the opening paragraph? Dictionary.com has mercenary defined as: "working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal." These guys are in war zones keeping our officials safe from attack, not launching offensive strikes. Their playing defense...hardly mercenaries...

Well, because DynCorp is a mercenary; it provides security services for money. According to Enrique Bernales Ballesteros, UN special rapporteur on the question of the use of mercenaries:

“In recent conflicts unfolding in Africa, Asia and Latin America, there has been recourse to the recruiting and hiring of mercenaries, owing to their military experience and combat efficiency. In many cases, such persons could not be qualified as mercenaries if the requirements established by article 47 of Additional Protocol I (1977) to the 1949 Geneva Conventions were applied cumulatively and concomitantly. The Special Rapporteur nonetheless considers them mercenaries, despite the fact that the existing legal definitions are vitiated by gaps and juridical shortcomings and fail to take into account situations and activities that are mercenary in nature. [...].

It is the Special Rapporteur’s belief - and this view is generally shared by the first meeting of experts - that one of the new forms of mercenary activity is that which takes place through private security companies that hire out military services, using mercenaries for that purpose. The fact that international legal texts do not refer to this modality has facilitated its rapid expansion.”

(Paragraphs 63 and 72 from the Report on the question of the use of mercenaries as a means of violating human rights and impeding the exercise of the right of peoples to self-determination, presented by the Special Rapporteur to the Commission on Human Rights. 56th Session, Item 130 of the provisional program, A/56/224, July 27, 2001, http://www.hri.ca/fortherecord2001/documentation/genassembly/a-56-224.htm.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas mccacnce (talk • contribs) 14:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo and Bosnia controversies

I first heard about DynCorp in connection with the behavior of some of its employees working in the former Yugoslavia. These individuals have been accused of trafficking in women and children for purposes of sexual slavery, but they have not been prosecuted under either local or U.S. law. I'm surprised to find no mention of this scandal in the DynCorp article. 24.188.142.123 (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)Max Clarke[reply]

I'm also surprised to see there is no mention to this here. It's widely know worldwide that Dyncorp is somehow involved in the "sales" of more than 200.000 (yes! two hundred thousand!) women and children as slaves - either to work and/or sexual pets. The extension of the involvement is unknown, as no one seems to want to investigate it.

If I had any HTML skills to edit the page - or if my English was any good - I would surely correct this. Hope someone does. More info about this all over the Internet - just google it.

And here a link showing how American government try to justify it: http://thetruthproject.us/2007/05/24/dyncorp-haliburton-sex-slave-trade-scandal/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariz nobrega (talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dyncorp threats to radio host Alex Jones?

In the first 3 minutes of an interview clip with Dean Haglund, Alex Jones mentioned being threatened by Dyncorp. Anyone heard of any details of this claim? ( see http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=dbbe325cb5e8a69110da4140b0b58f66.723835 ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.214.27.173 (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

NPOV

Born2flie: There is no need to assume that this article is really about DynCorp. Instead it is about the controversies that exist regarding the company. This is my first article I've come across on the Wiki that clearly is not NPOV. --15:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a shitty article. A very lazily put together article. The criticisms should be rolled up into the history section. And there should be more real content other than controversies. But maybe this company is just filthy too? lots of issues | leave me a message 17:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ambassador Holbroke Quotes

Recent quotes from former Ambassador Richard Holbroke from Yahoo (AP sourced): "The U.S. training program (for the police) under DynCorp is an appalling joke ... a complete shambles," he said. He referred to Falls Church, Va.-based DynCorp International Inc. a major provider of security and defense services in Afghanistan, Iraq and other troublespots. Yahoo News, April 28th, 2007. [1]

Perhaps this should add to the sourced material in the Afghanistan section.

Neutrality Disputed

This article is not perfect - but if people are going to dispute its neutrality I think they should at least make concrete complaints here. How can I make the article more neutral if I do not know the complaints of the people who are disputing its neutrality? 74.210.52.51 15:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One would assume it to be fair to remove the neutrality sticker --Jabbi 01:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I propose removing the NPOV on the grounds that the "controversies" surrounding DynCorp get more coverage and finding background and factual information about the company is not easy. Therefore the article isn't biased but there's simply more written on controversial missions/incidents than about what exactly DynCorp is/has been. --Jabbi 15:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that the neutrality of the allegations against Dyncorp regarding the sex slavery is simply not there. There is no proof that the employee's actions were in any way condoned or irresponsibly ignored by Dyncorp, therefore it is unfair to make such a reference without citing the other side. This could be read as slander... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.198.35 (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Neutrality tag. There are No points of view or examples discussed here that would reflect the need for it.--May 1, 2008

June 2008 - Neutrality Tag Added

I have added a neutrality disputed tag to this article, the reasons follow below:

-Under controversies, the Colombia section contains several un-cited statements and figures that seem to be POV, specifically: "Indeed, the DynCorp personnel have a local reputation for being both arrogant and far too willing to get ‘wet,' going out on frequent combat missions and engaging in firefights." DynCorp has not responded to the allegation.[citation needed]" As the above exerpt is taken from a book with a definite POV, I believe that it violates the POV policy of wikipedia.

Additionally: In addition to Human rights abuses, it is common for Dyncorp employees to frequent known houses of prostitution.[citation needed] Is clearly an uncited POV statement, as it implies that A) Humand rights abuses are common practice from Dyncorp employees, and B) It is common for Dyncorp employees to hire prostitutes

The Iraq section of the article also contains some POV statements, most notably the quote from Brigadier General Karl Horst - (since when do active duty generals have anything good to say about contractors?) --Bg10117 (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

July 2008 - Neutrality Tag Re-Added

User: Jrhamp has removed the neutrality tag, however the statements in violation of wikipedias NPOV policy are still in place. I am re-adding the tag. I would edit the article myself if I had time, unfortunately I do not.

I am willing to discuss the tag, if you disagree with it being tagged lets discuss the issues here. --Bg10117 (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remarkable that this article manages to dredge up every complaint ever made about the company, yet omits that provided security for voter registration and elections involving eight million Afghans in 2004. This is no secret and is on the public record. Enough said about its purported "neutrality." (----)

US Patent of H1N1 Production from Monkey Kidneys ?

The U.S. Patent No. 5911998 belongs to the National Institute of Health and DynCorp. It protects the Production of different Rotaviruses from Kidnes of the African Green Monkey. Please Read

this for interesting facts about the Patent. There is also Information about the H1N1 included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.85.169 (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]