Talk:2010 German presidential election

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the 2010 German presidential election article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Germany Start‑class Mid‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Politics Start‑class Low‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Elections and Referendums Start‑class

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Elections and Referendums, an ongoing effort to improve the quality of, expand upon and create new articles relating to elections, electoral reform and other aspects of democratic decision-making. For more information, visit our project page.Elections and ReferendumsWikipedia:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsTemplate:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsElections and Referendums articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

Parties in the infobox

The current version of the infobox[1] is less than ideal. Joachim Gauck is not a member of the SPD, he's a non-partisan candidate backed by the SPD and the Greens. Apparently, this infobox doesn't support multiple parties (also see Template_talk:Infobox_election#Several_parties_backing_a_presidential_candidate). Josh Gorand (talk) 23:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC) [reply]

There's really no easy way to do what you want. The only suggestion I have is to note the nominations in refs. Aside from that, the real problem is that the template doesn't allow images without parties. If it did, we could just note the parties parenthetically. -Rrius (talk) 00:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a work around, which is specify a colour, then hide it with party_colour=no, see also Template talk:Infobox election‎#Several parties backing a presidential candidate. 117Avenue (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re-added Jochimsen to the infobox. She is a candidate backed by over 100 delegates, I see no reason why she wouldn't be a "major" candidate. --Danielbruns (talk) 11:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She's not a major candidate because she isn't backed by any of the two major parties, and hasn't any realistic chances to get elected. 100 delegates, see, that amounts to less than 10%. The two major candidates are backed by 646 and 461 delegates, respectively. Josh Gorand (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fringe candidates

Personally, I don't think the two fringe candidates, Jochumsen and Rennicke, should be included in the infobox. The fringe candidates Sodann and Rennicke were not included in the infobox on the 2009 election. The only candidates with realistic chances to be elected are the two candidates of the major parties (CDU/CSU and SPD), that is, Wulff (backed by CDU/CSU and FDP) and Gauck (backed by SPD and Greens). But if we include Jochumsen, we must also include Rennicke, of course. Josh Gorand (talk) 13:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More relevant precedent: United States presidential election, 2008 does also only include the two candidates of the two major parties (that is, the only candidates with realistic chances to actually be elected president) in the infobox. Josh Gorand (talk) 13:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How is an election where the two listed candidated gained 100% of the electoral votes and much over 90% of the popular vote a relevant precedent? Calling a candidate who is predicted (I can't see into the future, on June 30 we'll know) to receive 10% of the electoral votes a fringe candidate is a bit off I think (10% is not little). Also there's a tiny difference between 124 votes out of 1242 and three votes. More to the point: declaring candidates as "minor" and removing them isn't really NPOV imo. Another "precedent": Austrian presidential election, 2010, including all candidates in the infobox, one of them with 5% of the votes. --Completefailure (talk) 13:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

forget it, like in german wikipedia, state security police point of view (SSPPOV) has to be considered NPOV. This is because nowadays in Germany, mentioning of injustice by west german executives or Secrect State Police, be it before 1990 or after, isn´t anymore considered useful, because all these things like secret police informers, censorship, police brutality, torture or extralegal killings didn´t or don´t have to have existed, all this existed only in the "state of injustice called GDR", this is for reeducational purposes in the "latter invented german democracy".

Even if this orwellesque "New History Speak" may seem a little ridiculous for a neutral spectator from outside, it is like it is....

Secret Political Police existed and exists only "over there" or "over the ocean", this is what our hun secret police says, and not shall one doubt or question it. It´s just better for you to feel secure, better believe me, ok !! 89.196.29.247 (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Number of delegates& Previous President

1.I corrected to 1244, as you can see by addition of lines above, else see http://www.bundestag.de/bundestag/aufgaben/weitereaufgaben/bundesversammlung/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.196.29.247 (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2. Böhrnsen was NOT President of the Federation, instead he was and is President of the Federation Council, and President of the Senate and Mayor of the Free Hanseatic City of Bremen, which is equivalent to a Ministerpräsident(Minister President)of a Federal State(Bundesland).

Article54 (1) of the German Grundgesetz (GG) says: "(1) Der Bundespräsident wird ohne Aussprache von der Bundesversammlung gewählt. [...]"
"(1)The President of the Federation is elected without debate by the Federal Convention. [...]"
Not elected by Convention-> not in the Office of President. There is no automatic successor, only can one be elected by Federal Convention.

Art. 55 of GG says: "(2) Der Bundespräsident darf kein anderes besoldetes Amt, kein Gewerbe und keinen Beruf ausüben und weder der Leitung noch dem Aufsichtsrate eines auf Erwerb gerichteten Unternehmens angehören."
"(2) The President of the Federation ist not allowed to perform another salaried office, business and profession, and to be nor Executive Officer neither Member of the Board of a comercial enterprise"
Indeed, Böhrnsen is still in Office as President of Federal Council and as Senator and Mayor of Bundesland Bremen. He did not resign, and therefore cannot hold the Office of the Federation´s President. He is only deputy in a functional sense.

Art.57 of the GG says:
"Die Befugnisse des Bundespräsidenten werden im Falle seiner Verhinderung oder bei vorzeitiger Erledigung des Amtes durch den Präsidenten des Bundesrates wahrgenommen."
"The authorities of the President of the Federation are discharged to the President of the Federal Council in case of unability or premature ending of his office."

The authorities, NOT the office!Note: The President of the Federal Council is considered second person of the state in diplomatic and constitutional protocol, above the Chancelor oder President of the Bundestag89.196.32.213 (talk) 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]