Talk:Total Drama World Tour

Characters

We do not know the names of the characters returning for TDTM, but we do know there will be 15 returning campers from TDI. Rumor has it that all of the campers who didn't make it to Total Drama Action will automatically have a spot. Also, there will either be 7 or 15 (McGillis said that there were gonna be 2) brand new characters on Total Drama The Musical. The returning campers will be announcement after Total Drama Action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delfino12 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

In other words, when you don't know, and can't prove it, don't add information to the article. --BlueSquadronRaven 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Total Drama School is season 4. I'm good friends with the creators (Robert and his friend Jordan) and they said Fresh TV said yes and that it should be out by 2011 or 2012. Partysmores999 (talk) 18:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Wow, everybody, there's no need for references now, we've got somebody who is FRIENDS with the creators! That's so special, and I can't imagine that anybody would just MAKE THAT UP or anything. Just in case, though, I'll just ask my good buddy to check it out. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 19:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay! The challenge is to tell how or why each of your characters were eliminated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.27.189.219 (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I am friends with the creators of season 4, not season 3, remember that guys. Partysmores999 (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

No, you are not. --BlueSquadronRaven 03:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Returning charecters listed :prediction!: Justin Duncan Eric :new: Harold trent gwen steve:new: bridgette geoff.thats one team nerxt team ill right later bye! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffy101yea (talk • contribs) 21:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Guys, it was confirmed new and old characters will compete by Mark Thornton. Look here! --74.106.76.64 (talk) 15:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The interview even mentions Heather as well as others, I bet this means she makes it to Season 3, coul we confirm Heather as a season 3 contestant or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.9.162 (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Its reall!! Trailer Here !! --69.142.28.247 (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Duncan's not in the game--72.51.133.15 (talk) 14:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

How could he not be in it? show me where! Please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kk99aa (talk • contribs) 13:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Look at the trailer--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Duncan is going to be in the game. Either that, or he will be in, but he'll be eliminated first. Personally, I'm fine with either option; he is seriously overrated, and he has had WAY too much time in the series at this point. It's time for some OTHER characters, such as Ezekiel, Noah, Tyler, and Cody (all of whom have not had nearly as much screentime as he has) to have a chance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.78.125 (talk) 04:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Please don't discuss who should be in the season and who should be eliminated in what order, because discussion pages are for discussing improvements to the pages and stuff like that. Wikipedia is not a forum. --Hadger 04:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

a lot of people say Ezekiel isn't returning but this proves it [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.131.109 (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, other wikis aren't good sources. Sorry, but that doesn't really prove that he returns, so we still have to keep him as unconfirmed. --Hadger 18:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

You people need to follow up on the Total Drama Series more often. Season 3 has already started and it is not called Total Drama The Musical, it's called Total Drama World Tour. Duncan, Ezekiel, Harold and Bridgette have already been eliminated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonRush44 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

This discussion took place 6 months ago, DragonRush, which means TDWT did not premiere at the time of this discussion. --DragonofFire (龙火) 18:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://www.cakeentertainment.com/flips/TDM/index.html

http://www.cakeentertainment.com/flips/TDM/index.html --24.45.36.157 (talk) 23:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, because on of the links, we now know that either DUNCAN or BETH wins TDA. Its say that duncan and Beth just got done battling it out on TDA... ... but which one was it... Duncan is shown in the middle of everyone, and Beth just didn't return...

Aw... I wanted Harold to win...

Thats da best news ive heard all day.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

No one knows who wins TDA. It can mean anything. It can even mean they just worked hardest but were eliminated. You will never know until the episode premeires. --Hadger 23:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC) yes, but Duncan doesnt try AT ALL really. And Beth may try really hard, but she doesnt even return so why even mention her?? I honestly THINK Beth will win. So yeeeaaahh...

I know this isn't proven yet, however Harold may be the first to go. He doesn't appear in the picture of "Anything Yukon do, I can do Better". Then again, he just may be taken out of the shot or he may be somewhere else while Chris is explaining the challenge. I still cannot believe it's Total Drama, the Musical. Incorperating musicals just seems so ridiculous. However, the drop of shame should be nice. =) --DragonofFire99 (talk) 00:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

DragonofFire, the first episodes were Walk Like An Egyptian Parts 1 and 2 in which Duncan quit and Ezekiel gets eliminated. Harold gets eliminated in Super Happy Crazy Fun Time in Japan and Bridgette is eliminated in Anything Yukon Do, I Can Do Better. (User:DragonRush44) 9:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I must ask, how do u know that the 1st episode is "Anything Yukon Do, I can do Better?" (RealityShowsRCool (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC))

It probly isnt cuz MORE than just Harold is missing... Go take a CLOSE, CLOSSSE look at those links... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.96.125 (talk) 18:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know for sure it is the first or second or whatever. All I saw was that I counted the amount of people in the pic and the people who are competing (still unsure) and I came up one short from the picture and that camper just happened to be Harold. Who else is missing? --DragonofFire99 (talk) 02:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, never mind. I saw Duncan is missing as well. *gasp* --DragonofFire99 (talk) 02:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think they scramble the names to throw people off. It currently (Nov 21) says Harold and Courtney just finished. However, since we are down to the final two now, it's been revealed that Beth-and-Duncan was indeed the correct answer. Also, since Duncan is around for next season, it is reasonable to assume Beth wins, but that might not necessarily be the case. Twentydragon (talk) 06:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but you realize that in season 1, owen won and he returned to tda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcore101 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the one obvious factor that proves that Beth wins TDA is the fact that, in the opening speech by Chris in the trailer, he says, "They'll be competing all around the globe for another...million...dollars!" That right there says it all. It wouldn't be so obvious if it was a different grand prize, such as two million dollars or five million dollars. But it's still just one million. Same grand prize as Total Drama Action. And if Beth and Duncan are the final two, and Duncan is supposedly there, but Beth isn't, then she obviously won. Why else would she not be there? If TDA does, in fact, end with a kind of "Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Action" or something like that, what would be the point of Beth giving up the million that she just won just to search for another million dollars? I could understand that more easily if someone like Lindsay was the winner, but she's already been eliminated. So that's it. Beth will win, even though I hate to admit it, but the proof is all too undeniable. 71.130.78.125 (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It might be logical to say that, however they might come up with two alternate endings like with season one. --DragonofFire^(Talk) 20:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Lindsay?

In the trailer we can se that Lindsay recived two things similar to the Golden Chris but in this time there are popcorns that means that she will not be elimnated fist or second but we dont know what episodes are that so she can get as far as in TDA also acordin to the evidence she can win. Also she will be friend of Bridgette. Lindsay will be manipulated by Alejandro, she allways is manipulated, do you thing she can get her alianze in the fourth season? cause it will be a fourth season cause they not createtwo new carachters only for one season. What do you thing about her?--189.224.125.109 (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)Javier

Well, actually, anyone can win the season! The winning is based on votes by people watching it (and I mean real people, not just the fake fans that are in the TV show). Not only that, but people that get voted off may return. Plus, in Total Drama Action, Courtney returned to the show, and she didn't even make it into the season. Trent, Justin, Eva, Katie, Sadie, or Geoff may even win by suing Total Drama World Tour or find some other way to get into the season. What I am saying is anyone can win the season. --Hadger 16:15, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont undertand you we are telling what is in our minds.--201.121.24.36 (talk) 03:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)Ricardo

Hey, I made something for TDWT!

It's a picture of Sierra! I got bored, so I DECIDED to do this! Just take a quick look, and then I'll leave.

File:SierraTDWT.jpg

This is the picture.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.130.228 (talk) 00:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The air date will be on canada on june 10 2010 and in unites states on june 21 of 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.121.24.36 (talk) 03:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Where was this information found?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

total drama wiki but also just google search total drama world tour and youll be sure to find an airdate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.219.50 (talk) 20:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Please precede your post with a colon, not a space, when indenting. Your post was breaking the format of the page. Twentydragon (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Air Date

Has there been any info on when the premier is because it airs in June which is like 4 days away.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Elimination Table

We should create the elimination table since the first episode aired on Teletoon last night and its on youtube. Plus now we know that Duncan quit. So we should create the elimination table now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.9.162 (talk) 16:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Explain why Duncan is in the previews for the later episodes then? It probably means he comes back later. --Alpha299 (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but as of right now, he's out. That's solid enough for the table. Twentydragon (talk) 04:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Teams

Shouldn't we put the teams on there now? I tried to do it myself but it is semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 19:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Song list and character elimination should not be presumed for duncan at this point

A song chart should be added with a link to a youtube video posibly. And we shouldent be to shure that duncan has quit it just being halfway through a two parter especialy because this is the third two parter and in the other two nobody was eliminated halfway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamaxxor (talk • contribs) 22:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Song chart? If that's one song per character per episode, that's too much trivia to list. Link to a YouTube video? Out of the question, as that'd be copyright infringement. As for whether it's speculative to say Duncan is out for sure, there's nothing wrong with saying he's quit now, if that's his status, and then revises if it changes after the second episode. —C.Fred (talk) 22:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

well I mean the song sang in each episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamaxxor (talk • contribs) 23:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

About the so-called "Elimination Table"

Shouldn't we make the ETs like they were the past two seasons? If you unprotect it and you give me permission to revise the ET like the old ones, I'd do it. But idc. Give me ur thoughts about it. (98.231.219.50 (talk) 23:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC))

I wish we could unprotect it, but that would give the article a risk of vandalism. I wish that it hadn't been vandalized so often. I know it had nothing to do with you when it was protected. However, it is a good idea to make an elimination table for TDWT. --Hadger 00:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hadger, it is oging to have to be done eventually or the article wont really be sufficient, also an elimination table.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

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Top TDWT winners

This is ONLY AN IDEA of what could result in the elimination table.

1st[Winner]:Harold

2nd[Runner-up]:Courtney

3rd:Alejandro

4th:Izzy

5th:Ezekiel

6th:Duncan 2nd

7th:Owen

8th:Noah

9th:Tyler

10th:Lindsey

11th:Heather

12th:DJ

13th:Cody

14th:Sierra

15th:Gwen

16th:Bridgette

17th:Leshawna

18th:Duncan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.98.52 (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Tyler Eliminated?

Who keeps putting in the elimination table that Tyler is eliminated Episode 2? Whoever is doing that plz stop.

People...It is confirmed that Duncan is out first. He quit due to Courtney and Gwen acting like bitches with him. Ezekiel gets out next, then Harold, then LeShawna, and then Bridgette. Then its the Aftermath. So I assume that Duncan and Ezekiel will return later in the game, since Ezekiel is determined to get farther in the game. Sierra and Izzy switch teams in Walk Like An Egyptian Part 2 due to the camel. (Izzy's favorite language is Camel.)Apparently, Owen or Heather is eliminated next. Cody is most likely the second highest ranking Amazonian in the competition, and Alejandro...well, you know. That's all the information I could get, and it is totally reliable. I examined all the trailers for Total Drama World Tour, and was able to concur on that hypothesis. You just have to watch and see whose next. But as you all know, Team Victory has bad luck at the beginning of the show, since DJ and Lindsay are the only ones left by the first Aftermath, but they make it to the Final 2 this season. My Prediction: 19th: Duncan

18th: Ezekiel

17th: Harold

16th: LeShawna

15th: Bridgette

14th: Heather

13th: Owen

12th: Courtney

11th: Ezekiel(again)

10th: Izzy

9th: Duncan(again)

8th: Tyler

7th: Noah

6th: Sierra

5th: Cody

4th: Gwen

3rd: Alejandro

2nd: DJ

1st: Lindsay(but we all know the case is thrown into the volcano in Peru, the site of the final challenge)

Thus Season 4 is started with 18 contestants, (yes, 18) 6 returning, 12 all new.

Where did you get this information from? Great Pikmin Fan (TD) (Talk) 03:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I got this information from watching all the trailers and looking carefully at that Season 3 flipbook. It is all totally reliable, except for the Owen part probably. Oh yeah, Duncan and Courtney break up and Duncan goes out with Gwen. Courtney goes out with Trent. That girl Blaineley from the Celebrity Manhunt Special is comfirmed to be in a episode of Total Drama World Tour in a bridesmaid dress, so it is probably an Aftermath episode since Courtney and Owen were seen there. This came from the Cartoon Network commercial after the premiere in America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Question

I've seen an edit reverted on this page, and it was about the team name. I saw the episode, and the team name is "Team Chris is Really Really Really Really Hot". I know it seems like an awkward team name that would be vandalism if added (I agree with that), but it is the team name. Does anyone agree that it should be added, or should it have a source? --Hadger 21:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I see why the edit was reverted now. --Hadger 21:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

My thinking behind the team name is that it should just be called Team Chris throughout the article. It would seem really goofy (even though it is the "real" team name) to have Team Chris is Really, Really, Really, Really Hot listed many times in the article. I doubt that they will use the full name in the rest of the episodes since it will get really stupid. --DragonofFire (龙火) 03:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

My thought is to use the full name the first time the team is discussed, perhaps in the Format section, as follows:

The contestants were divided into three teams: Team Amazon, Team Chris Is Really Really Really Really Hot ("Team Chris"), and Team Victory.

That's standard notation for giving something with an awkwardly long name a short name to be used throughout the rest of the writing. —C.Fred (talk) 03:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. --DragonofFire (龙火) 03:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

TDWT Image

Scince there is a good pic for TDWT, I think we should put it on there. It is the one with everybody singing at the end of "Come Fly With Us". (There is a still of it on the Total Drama blog.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 20:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

It would probably be better to be better to put the picture at the end of the theme song (it has the title and each character, including Chris and Chef, I think). --Hadger 23:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

That might work, let's see what everybody thinks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 17:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't realize it didn't have Owen or Zeke in it. And, I don't think we sould use the Cake flyer. We could put the part on the opening where they are all standing in a human pyramid and kicking.  ?--Mayberrl (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Color

The use of color on this page does not conform to guidelines set out in WP:COLOR. Vision impaired people may not be able to see all that is hidden behind inaccessible colors. Wildhartlivie (talk) 15:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I tend to agree, but this is close to the same color scheme as has been used on previous "Total Drama" pages. Even though I personally do, I can't see others supporting this change now. Twentydragon (talk) 10:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

This topic has been resolved (for now) in another section. Twentydragon (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

TDWT Episodes

I think we should start the normal episode list for TDWT now. We should just put the episodes that have already aired, and not "Super Happy Crazy Fun Time in Japan", "Anything Yukon Do I Can Do Better", or "Broadway, Baby"(or made up ones), even though they are alredy confirmed. I mean, we know the last two seasons people were putting episodes that hadn't aired yet. Anyone agree?Mayberrl (talk) 18:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 18:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, so now I found the episodes list and it has a whole bunch of TBA episodes on it. Whats with that?!?!?!--Mayberrl (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Mayberrl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.1.117 (talk) 18:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

People, the songs for the following episodes are up on YouTube so I updated the song challenge on the List of Total Drama World Tour Episodes page Look up the songs on YouTube before you delete what I just said. Please believe me, the person on YouTube may have indeed got these songs from Teletoon as a spoiler for the fans. There is absolutely no way they can fake everyone's voice and organize a song like that without it being real. The people can know what the song is, the situation is the complete opposite for the eliminated competitor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 21:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, even if the songs are real, YouTube is not a good source, so we cannot put the song names until the episodes have aired. If you have a better source, then maybe we can put the song names on the article. --Hadger 23:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Nah, they can have it because the guy got it from Teletoon apparently. Christian Potenza spoiled it for us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 10:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers: Be Aware!

Well, I saw on these little cards (I can't get the links now, sorry) that there was locations and the people who got eliminated in these locations.

And I also saw images of all the locations, I mean, ALL of them. I can't get all of the locations in my head but here are some that I can remember:

Egypt 1/2 Japan 3 Yukon 4 NYC 5 German Alps 6 Amazon or brazil 8 Paris 9

And that's all I can remember in order

But there is confirmed locations such as Jamaica, Australia, Niagra Falls, Hawaii, Sweden, London, and Greece/Rome.

--RSRC

Well, you cannot be sure it is the truth unless it was directly from the producers of the show (which is unlikely). There are always lots of fans who create rumors about reality shows which makes it really difficult to believe anything you find on the internet. And, besides, I really doubt that the producers would spoil the season since hardly anyone will watch it. --DragonofFire (龙火) 00:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

semi-protection proposal

I suggest that semi-protection be applied for this article due to the frequent uncited edits being made. I suggest protection be made for 7 days initially. -84user (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC) I AGREE! PPL KEEP ON PUTTING SPOILERS OR UNTRUE INFORMATION THAT IS COMPLETLY OUT OF HAND! IM OK WITH THE SONG TITLES BUT THE ELIMINATION AND UNTRUE HAS TO STOP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 22:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, spoilers are alright (unless it is put on an unaired episode; then that's untrue information). Anyway, the page was semi-protected, but it was made so edits by non-autoconfirmed users have to be reviewed by a reviewer; that was done for a trial. After the trial, the page will probably be put back to semi-protection, so don't worry. --Hadger 02:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Elimination Table Colors

The elimination table is changing too much which causes some problems. I don't really think the different color "IN" is necessary. If it were to stay, I think it contrasts too much with the other colors and I believe it should be relatively the same color as the regular "IN". The "IN" currently is a darkish teal. I think it should either be a light beige/yellow or the second color should not exist at all.

Secondly, I do not think the "HIGH"s should be included in the table. It really has no significance whatsoever regarding the elimination. The "LOW"s, on the other hand, have somewhat of a purpose since it shows who almost went home. I took the one HIGH that was in the table (for Leshawna) until further consensus.

Lastly, the table does not look eye appealing, which is another reason to get rid of the other IN color. The table looks like a semi-rainbow and colors, such as blue and yellow/red, do not look appealing. Users with IP addresses just keep changing the elimination table's colors without an explanation. --DragonofFire (龙火) 04:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Then why don't we agree on a standard set to use on all Total Drama tables? Preferably something that's readable. Black on dark red does not qualify. I suggest white on dark red for eliminations, black on orange for withdrawals, black on yellow for low-placings, white on medium green for winners, and a black on a light green for those who advanced because of a teammate. That should be all we need. Twentydragon (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

So far the table looks like this:

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2
TBA	Alejandro	IN	IN
TBA	Bridgette	WIN	IN
TBA	Cody	IN	WIN
TBA	Courtney	IN	WIN
TBA	DJ	WIN	LOW
TBA	Gwen	IN	WIN
TBA	Harold	WIN	IN
TBA	Heather	IN	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	IN	IN
TBA	LeShawna	WIN	IN
TBA	Lindsay	WIN	IN
TBA	Noah	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra*	IN	WIN
TBA	Tyler	IN	IN
16	Ezekiel	IN	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

Using your suggestions, the table will look something like this:

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2
TBA	Alejandro	IN	IN
TBA	Bridgette	WIN	IN
TBA	Cody	IN	WIN
TBA	Courtney	IN	WIN
TBA	DJ	WIN	LOW
TBA	Gwen	IN	WIN
TBA	Harold	WIN	IN
TBA	Heather	IN	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	IN	IN
TBA	LeShawna	WIN	IN
TBA	Lindsay	WIN	IN
TBA	Noah	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra*	IN	WIN
TBA	Tyler	IN	IN
16	Ezekiel	IN	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

 

 

I'm not so sure on the white on medium green since I think the medium green is light enough. I still do not believe that the second "IN" color needs to contrast that much. It should just be a beige or a light blue color so it will not stand out as much as the teal. --DragonofFire (龙火) 14:42, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

By "medium green", I meant 0-128-0, the same color used already. I don't think we even need a color for "IN". It's already descriptive enough, methinks. But nice job putting this here; 'twas a nice surprise. Twentydragon (talk) 12:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I seriously dont know which one I like better. They're both good, but in a different way. anyone here know what im saying??? (98.231.218.47 (talk) 22:55, 5 July 2010 (UTC)) or RSRC

The point I'm trying to make is that if we have a specific standard set of colors that can easily be read on virtually all monitors, then we can avoid disagreements, unnecessary codes and colors, and confusing notations in the future. Twentydragon (talk) 03:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

This is what I'm suggesting:

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2
TBA	Alejandro	6th	LOST
TBA	Bridgette	5th	IN
TBA	Cody	10th	WIN
TBA	Courtney	13th	WIN
TBA	DJ	2nd	LOW
TBA	Gwen	13th	WIN
TBA	Harold	1st	LOST
TBA	Heather	12th	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	15th	IN
TBA	LeShawna	3rd	LOST
TBA	Lindsay	4th	LOST
TBA	Noah	8th	IN
TBA	Owen	9th	IN
TBA	Sierra*	10th	WIN
TBA	Tyler	7th	IN
16	Ezekiel	15th	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

Twentydragon (talk) 03:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I like the WIN, IN, and LOST, but i dont think the number placing is neccesary. If you are to add another color, it should be for the losing team, and not the second place team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasvisel (talk • contribs) 01:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The numerical placing is only there because there were no defined "winners" and "losers" in the first challenge (Pyramind Over/Under), and no one was actually eliminated. The numerical placings were instead used to form the basis for the team divisions. I also don't think it's necessary to add another color unless it's something light and easy to read text against, like  . Twentydragon (talk) 02:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, on the subject of a new standard for all Total Drama contestant tables, here is my new proposal:

Place	Name	Team	Ep 1	Ep 2	Ep 3
TBA	Alejandro	Chris	6th	IN	IN
TBA	Bridgette	Victory	5th	LOSE	LOSE
TBA	Cody	Amazon	10th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Courtney	Amazon	13th	WIN	WIN
TBA	DJ	Victory	2nd	LOW	LOW
TBA	Gwen	Amazon	13th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Heather	Amazon	12th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Izzy*	Chris	15th	IN	IN
TBA	LeShawna	Victory	3rd	LOSE	LOSE
TBA	Lindsay	Victory	4th	LOSE	LOSE
TBA	Noah	Chris	8th	IN	IN
TBA	Owen	Chris	9th	IN	IN
TBA	Sierra*	Amazon	10th	WIN	WIN
TBA	Tyler	Chris	7th	IN	IN
15	Harold	Victory	1st	LOSE	WD
16	Ezekiel	Victory	15th	OUT
17	Duncan	None	WD

Pink   Team Amazon | Yellow   Team Victory | Sky blue   Team Chris

Dark green   Direct win | Light green   Indirect win | Tan   Defeat

Dark red   Elimination | Orange   Withdrawal | Gainsboro   Low placing

Here are the issues I fixed:

• The individual challenge (Episode 1) no longer uses ambiguous "win" and "loss" terminology; rather, it uses a clear ranking system.
• Readers are no longer relying solely on the background color of a contestant's name to determine team, as per Wikipedia's Color Accessibility Standards.
•   Teal-backed "IN" spaces denoting the second-place team have been removed, in favor of a lighter,   tan-backed space denoting the losing team.
• Since   yellow is used for Team Victory,   gainsboro is used for the low placing.
• "QUIT" has been replaced with the more clear, concise, and professional "WD", for "withdrawn".

Any input you guys have for this should help standardize the tables used and make them easier to understand. Thanks. Twentydragon (talk) 18:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I think the team column isn't necessary since it is already shown in the table's key. I still like the yellow color for the "LOW"s, so the team color for team victory can go back to the golden color. I am unsure of the "LOSE"s since it shows the losing team, however, it is not in any of the previous elimination tables. Also, when the teams dissolve, only one or two people will win each challenge, meaning everyone else will "LOSE" and I just think it would be easier just to put IN. Lastly, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. placings do not follow the other tables, as well. For example, for TDA episodes 1 and 2, there was a similar format with the placings and I don't think that should change. Other than that, the table is fine and I appreciate the time you took to create the table (if any). --DragonofFire (龙火) 22:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

The Team column was added because, according to Wikipedia's Color Accessibility Standards, color should not be the sole means of communicating information. In this case, it was. Can you think of a better word to use than "LOSE" for the last-place team (after teams dissolve, "LOSE" becomes moot unless there's a tie for last place)? I see you suggested using "IN", and while that can work, I don't think we should rely on that. It goes back to using color again. I also understand the concern for the numerical placings, but I believe they're important here, since that's how teams were determined; otherwise there would only be one "WIN" (under the strictest definition) for Harold, while the rest read "IN". In addition, this is a proposal for a new standard that would replace the color schemes of the previous seasons' tables, so whether it follows them is irrelevant. Thanks for inputting, by the way. Twentydragon (talk) 04:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I think most of this table is okay, since it is made so it's better for people that are colorblind. --Hadger 04:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I get the sense you want to suggest changes. Please do. Twentydragon (talk) 04:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't think the "LOSE" part is really necessary. We really only need to put the winning team. However, I also think it is good on the table, since some teams don't win or lose the challenge. --Hadger 08:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that it's unnecessary but helpful. Is that right? Twentydragon (talk) 00:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Yup. That's what I mean. However, now I think that it should be kept on the table. --Hadger 08:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay then. If we're in agreement, I'd like to go ahead an implement this on the page. Twentydragon (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. The changes we discussed have been made. Twentydragon (talk) 09:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I really like the way it was before. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Thanks for your input, although the previous version was extremely unfriendly to those with limited vision or color-blindness. Do you have any suggestions to improve the new one? Twentydragon (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

If you guys liked it better how it was or feel that the color scheme still needs improvement, please say so here before going off and changing it. Otherwise, I will assume you don't know what you're doing (which may in fact not be the case). So please, please, use the Talk page first. Twentydragon (talk) 15:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I really don't like how this one is almost completly different from the TDI and TDA ones. I mean:

• Instead of "IN" for the losing team, it's for the runner-up team. The losing team now gets "LOSE". I do think that instead of "LOSE", the runner-up team should be in the color "LOSE" is in now (tan), tagged "IN", and the losing team should get "IN" colored white.
• "LOW" is a different color (gainsboro).
• We now have an alternate column describling what team each camper is on, even placing Izzy and Sierra swapped in this section to show that they switched teams. The latter is completly unnecessary, they switched teams nearly in the begining like Izzy and Saide, we can just put it in a footnote. If it's to sort them out via teams, it's bad because Izzy would be grouped with Team Amazon (and Sierra on Chris) even though she was only in for two episodes. Although as of this writing this isn't a problem as the teams are switched back.
• The first episode listed who crossed at what place. This is unnecessary and trivial.
• The dark "WIN"s and "OUT"s have white text.

I think if this is how an elimination table should be, then at least switch the Total Drama Island and Total Drama Action ones to this style. Great Pikmin Fan (TD) (Talk) 00:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, but I feel you're protesting the very purpose of the reformat. Yes, it's different. However, this style is intended to be a replacement for those first two, adding more clarity, visibility, and simplicity to the tables.

• That might be a valid point, although I don't see a better way to do this. "LOSE" (and the color) is for all players tied for last place, which includes teammates. If it changes in the way you're proposing, then once the teams are dissolved, then the tan background will either apply only to the second-place player or to everyone not tied for last.
• Yes. "LOW" has been changed to gainsboro. Yellow was needed for Team Victory, as almost the entire table needed to be lightened. Rather than use the same color for both a team and the low-ranked player, I thought it prudent to use something else.
• While Izzy and Sierra did switch early on, they were still assigned to the teams originally shown. No, it's not necessary, but it's there for clarity. You may note that the column reads "Current Team", showing which team they are currently on. This, like the background colors of any other cell, is only used to help communicate information. It's not a replacement for the footnote; it's a supplement.
• The contestants' rankings are only shown because that was how teams were determined. It allows you to (mostly) sort the table by original team makeup.
• Yes. The text on the dark red and green colors has been changed to white. This was for readability only, as you can see that the background colors have not been changed. I, and many others, had a lot of difficulty distinguishing between the two; I can only imagine someone who's colorblind trying to read it.

The intent is to, once this format has been adequately perfected, replace the other two with this new style. Again, your input is greatly appreciated. Twentydragon (talk) 02:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Lets not put Duncan as out of the competition

I know that Duncan quit......i saw the episode and i predicted that....but there was a trailer in CN which is usually reliable(Owen and Courtney in TDA)...he was shown in the part with the marriage thing......it could be an aftermath of a challenge in the show to be able to come back..........also in that trailer he was shown in a part where i think all cast members except Ezekial were standing and he was smiling looking like he did something wrong.....coming back into the plane maybe?......Also he was shown kissing Gwen and in fact it was on the plane itself which further show fact that Duncan could come back.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The question is, what's his demonstrated status now? If he's quit and out of the competition, then that's how he needs to be listed. It's synthesis to say he's not out based on his re-appearing later. What if he was re-admitted to the competition, which has happened with other competitors in past seasons. If it hasn't aired in an episode and can't be referenced to a reliable source, we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions and putting them into the article. —C.Fred (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

But if he comes back...the whole aspect of quitting is nullifiedand it would almost be like Courtney in TDA.....came back in the Middle but was never really out..I think it should be more like putting out instead of quit because quit means out and doesnt come back.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Key word: if. Right now, he's not in the competition, so he should either be shown as just out, quit, or disqualified for failing to sing. —C.Fred (talk) 00:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Episodes in Elimination table

Shouldn't all the episodes be there, like this?

Place	Name	Ep 1	Ep 2	Ep 3	Ep 4	Ep 5	Ep 6	Ep 7	Ep 8	Ep 9	Ep 10	Ep 11	Ep 12	Ep 12	Ep 14	Ep 15	Ep 16	Ep 17	Ep 18	Ep 19	Ep 20	Ep 21	Ep 22	Ep 23	Ep 24	Ep 25	Ep 26	Ep 27
TBA	Alejandro	IN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	Bridgette	WIN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	Cody	IN	WIN	WIN	TBA
TBA	Courtney	IN	WIN	WIN	TBA
TBA	DJ	WIN	LOW	IN	TBA
TBA	Gwen	IN	WIN	WIN	TBA
TBA	Heather	IN	WIN	WIN	TBA
TBA	Izzy*	IN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	LeShawna	WIN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	Lindsay	WIN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	Noah	IN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	Owen	IN	IN	IN	TBA
TBA	Sierra*	IN	WIN	WIN	TBA
TBA	Tyler	IN	IN	IN	TBA
15	Harold	WIN	IN	QUIT
16	Ezekiel	IN	OUT
17	Duncan	QUIT

I looked through Total Drama Action's history & noticed that when the elimination table was first created, it had all the episodes of the season [1]. As you can see from the table & the edit date, this was shortly after the fifth episode aired. So should the elimination table have all the episodes now & if not, when should they be added? SNS (talk) 04:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, I find that table visually confusing, because the TBAs are the same colour as the empty rows for eliminated players. Even with a different colour, I don't think the unaired episodes need columns yet. —C.Fred (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The TBAs were the same color as the empty rows for eliminated players when the concept was first introduced in the Total Drama Action article [2] up until the last time the TBAs were on the table [3] SNS (talk) 01:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Harold's comeback

in episode 3, harold did not get voted off but instead quit, like duncan who was revealed to return in a future episode during a trailer. is it possible harold could also return? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.121.231 (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Everyone has a possibility of returning. Also, it is also possible that Duncan isn't returning. He could simply just be helping Chris in the challenge for that episode, so even if it is possible, it shouldn't be put into the article. There is no reliable source that clearly states that Duncan is returning, so it shouldn't be put into the article. Anyway, thanks for discussing it on the talk page before adding it onto the article. --Hadger 04:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Episode 3

Just to put this out there DJ should be LOW instead of IN. He would have been voted out if Harold didn't withdraw —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikajens (talk • contribs) 13:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes I agree. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC))

Edit request from 108.0.125.5, 10 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} bridgette get eliminated in the next episode because team victory loses again and she kissed alejandro and she already has a boyfriend so she jumps out of the plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

108.0.125.5 (talk) 02:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —C.Fred (talk) 03:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Next 2 eliminations are confirmed

Bridgette and LeShawna. Go search up total drama world tour on the wikia, go to the talk page: archive ten, and youll find some spoilers, or just visit utube and search total drama world tour spoilers. i think u should add these two eliminations to the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers on a talk page are not a reliable source. Nor, frankly, are spoilers found on YouTube—I can't imagine the studio willingly releasing that kind of a spoiler, so that breaks the chain of evidence, so to speak, of verifiability. —C.Fred (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I have more evidence but I can't find the link to them yet. Hold on for a second... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok now I have the link for LeShawnas boot. Here it is. Just go to images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100613205234/totaldramaisland/images/3/3f/Episodio_6_o_7.jpg

Wikia is a fan based site, with that being said, the German Alps episode has not recieved an airdate so her elimination cannot be revealed yet and that passport shot could be photoshoped-Hunterkok

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, we'll just have to wait and see. But if I'm right, I'm going to say a victorious HA on your talk page =D (98.231.218.47 (talk) 21:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

I can make an argument for Bridgette being booted because at the end of the teaser trailer in CN you can see DJ, LeShawna, and Lindsay at the door of the plane and Chris saying "didnt see that one coming"....basically saying somehow Bridgette quit or fell or something...--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

LESHAWNA IS NOT VOTED OFF IN EPISODE 5

After Cn ended the episode when Bridgette is voted off ( because Alejandro tricked her into kissing him only to put a pole in front of her with the results of her tongue being stuck to the pole, making her team lose for her not at the finish line of the sled race) I'll get to the point. The next episode trailer shows Heather on the elimination area of the plane looking out the door where the elimanted contestant jumps off. That means team Amazon loses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 01:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, we can't add guesses. Trailers are not always reliable. Heather could've just switched teams, or she could've just been there at the time and looked. Maybe she had to jump out as part of the challenge. Besides, we are suppose to put facts on Wikipedia not guesses. --Hadger 08:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, don't worry. We won't put that LeShawna gets voted off in episode 5 unless she gets eliminated when the episode airs. --Hadger 08:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

LeShawna is voted off in Epsiode 6, Episode 5 is a reward, most likely Broadway Baby! (98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC))

In the trailer which has been reliable so far.....it was mentioned that "you wouldnt believe who gets voted off"...saying that...heather is not voted off...Cody cant because he was seen in a Roman episode.....Gwen and Courtney were seen with Duncan.....so it could only mean that Sierra could be the one to go next--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, as I said before, we can't put guesses. Also, the Total Drama wiki can't be used as a source. --Hadger 07:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I know that. U said that twice already. But that is a fact, I tell you. A FACT and if none of u guys dont believe me just becuz im an ip well wait and see. IT'S ON(98.231.218.47 (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)) or RealityShowsRCool

Wow, Hadger is right Total Drama Wiki is just a site where people can post anything, and should not be used as a source.Its not a fact until the episode airs. sorry to tell you that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolbiscuit (talk • contribs) 15:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to edit your post. It was causing formatting problems on the page. Twentydragon (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

"IN" should NOT be teal

I don't like how IN is in teal. It distracts all of the other important things like the win and the low. I think it should be a bashe, light gray, or a light color. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 02:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. --DragonofFire (龙火) 16:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we're talking about this very subject in another section. Twentydragon (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

@Twentydragon Sorry didn't stalk the page.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I prefer this color-  

TDTW is Different

In the past season there were a lot of patterns to which episodes there were eliminations, now because there is no specific pattern to the eliminations, there will be a lot more guesses on who will be eliminated.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Uh oh... That might be a problem.... Hopefully there aren't many guesses. --Hadger 07:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Remember u guyz, come back to planet earth.......lets not argue over a cartoon--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 17:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah...(98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

The elimination table

Why do you guys like the upgraded version?? I thought it was fine the other way. Speak your opinion here. (98.231.218.47 (talk) 14:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC))

This has already been discussed in another section. Twentydragon (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protect, please

There has been an amazing amount of vandalism just in the past few days from an IP-labeled user. I suggest semi-protecting this page again. Twentydragon (talk) 23:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Which user? I hope its not me? All I'm trying to do is help the Wikipedia(98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Let's put this page on lock, please!

We seriously have retards working the elimination table. I mean really, who cares what place they crossed in episode 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The changes to the table have been discussed in another section. Please direct related comments there. Twentydragon (talk) 09:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

And do not say retard, you fool. It's mean, and it can get you banned indefinitely (98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Name-calling is not helpful in any way, regardless of the word being used. If you're going to ask someone else to stop, it helps if you don't engage in it yourself. Twentydragon (talk) 22:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I happen to hate that dang word (98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

I knew it!

I bet nobody remembers but I put a link on one of the episode talk pages that said the titles of the next 2 episodes. But they were edited by a user who thought it was out of good faith, but bad links. And now those titles are confirmed. HA!!!!!!!!!!!! (98.231.218.47 (talk) 11:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

That does not mean the user was wrong in undoing the edit. We can't have unconfirmed or unverifiable information here, even though it might be correct. Instead, that's what these Talk pages are for. Please post such things here. Thank you for your efforts. Twentydragon (talk) 22:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Canadian Website

The Canadian website for "Total Drama: World Tour" has been launched. It's right here. Can this be added to the list of External Links? Thanks 70.52.129.103 (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I will defer to a Canadian editor to evaluate it, as the site filters non-Canadian IPs. My concern is whether the site is official: The copyright notice credits "zinc Roe Productions Inc.", who is not mentioned in the article. By contrast, if Fresh TV held the copyright, I'd have gone ahead and added it. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow thanks :) (98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

Episode 6 (aftermath 1)

Since episode 6 is a non elimination episode should a note be added on the elimination table stating that it was an aftermath episode and no mistake has been made? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.12.250 (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Well, it is not an aftermath episode.--66.211.46.5 (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Just delete the elimination table

The table looks really mess up right now & i think its not necessary to keep it with all over the changes & when ever i change it to the old one like how it was for the page of total drama island & total drama action. It looks a lot better & neater the old way. I know this has been discussed way to much but i want this one to stand out & for people to realize if nobody likes it we should just delete it & JUST WATCH THE SHOW. It's not fun to know what happens next. xoxo elllla <3

The fact that it looks messy is no reason to delete it. That's a reason to clean up the table. I agree that it should look like the first two seasons' tables; however, it sounds like some colour changing is desired to map the teams' identifying colours to those used on the show. —C.Fred (talk) 23:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you with the colours. I just thought if it looked like the first two seasons it would be a lot better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 23:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

me 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

yay or nay on this one

19th: Duncan

18th: Ezekiel

17th: Harold

16th: Bridgette

15th: LeShawna

14th: Heather

13th: Owen

12th: Courtney

11th: Ezekiel(again)

10th: Tyler

9th: Duncan(again)

8th: Izzy

7th: Noah

6th: Sierra

5th: Dj

4th: Gwen

3rd: Alejandro

2nd: Cody

1st: Lindsay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.151.39 (talk) 20:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Ummmm, nay Look at the links at the bottom of the Total Drama World Tour page...the links prove something... LeShawna is eliminated next Rewards until Paris LIndsay is eliminated in Paris (remember she got arrested there) Rewards Alliance with DJ then DJ is eliminated before the Second Aftermath Duncan and Ezekiel return Duncan on Team Amazon Ezekiel on Team CIRRRRH Then the real competition begins Read the links There is proof

nay sorry (98.231.218.47 (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC))