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Name is incorrect

I have never encountered any English speaking source ever using "Saint Martin" when referring to the Dutch side. If one can be found, please present it. As far as I know, there is no such thing as Saint Martin (Netherlands). The English name for the Dutch side of this island is St. Maarten (or Sint Maarten) --- "Saint Martin" is the French side. For examples of English language scholarly texts using St. Maarten see Google scholar search results here. For books see this Google list. Also, please note that St. Maarten is part of the anglophone Caribbean, although some Dutch is spoken by some layers of the population. St. Maarten is thus a name used by a native English-speaking population for their territory. How can such a name be "translated" to something else? Afv2006 10:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree. "The Bonaire Reporter" and "The Daily Herald", the only two English-language Antillean newspapers I'm aware of, use only "Sint Maarten". I would like to make "Saint Martin (Netherlands)" redirect to "Sint Maarten", instead of the wrong way around like it is currently. Kww 13:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

This page should be the lead page, and "Saint Martin (Netherlands) should redirect here. "Saint Martin (Netherlands) is both kludgy sounding, and, more importantly, completely unused outside of Wikipedia. Kww 21:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support this move request as per my post above. Afv2006 08:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vegaswikian 02:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Official language English?

Is it really true that, as the infobox states, English is besides Dutch an official language of Sint Maarten? Gugganij 18:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Legislation was passed earlier this year to elevate Papiamentu and English to "official" status for the Netherlands Antilles. I believe the impact was countrywide, but in practice, Papiamentu is rarely used by the government in the northern islands, and English is rarely used by the government in the southern ones.Kww 19:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St. Martin's name is just that........St. Martin !

As a native St. Martiner, I can tell you that the post-columbian and traditional spelling of the name of our island is "St. Martin." Historical and official documents for both parts of the island, for over 300 years, reflect this. I have documents from the 1800s, which clearly show that "St. Martin" was the way the name of our island was written. I dare say that the Dutch/French spelling "St. Maarten/Saint-Martin" was a political decision after the 1920s, and reinforced later as a tourism marketing tool--both identifying colonial division as opposed to the unity in the spelling of the name and how St. Martiners have lived as one people for over 300 years (remember the nation tongue of St. Martin is English, thus the spelling). This is one island. according to one of our old sayings: "The gale does not stop at the frontier.Arisutton 13:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

== St. Martin's name is just that.......Saint Martin ! ==

I dare to agree with this post with one correction.... The official name for both sides of the Island is the French spelling "Saint Martin" as the island was named after the "Saint" Martin of Tours who was of French descent. The use of the abbreviation "St." was for convenience purposes only and to this day does not reflect the official terminology.

Also the "Dutch side" government has taken the decision that when "St. Maarten or Sint Maarten" receives its new status (anticipated December 15, 2008) to officially re-instate the official name of "Saint Martin". Tommylee31 (talk) 10:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is just nonsense. 94.209.79.128 (talk) 19:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

motto: semper pro grediens?

my latin is a bit rusty but.... i think the right form should be "progrediens" ...anybody agrees? 87.11.35.221 (talk) 21:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are definitely correct as a matter of Latin grammar. However, the official flags on St. Martin all have this apparent typo.TJOB (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sport

Sint Maarten national football team

I think this should be added, dont you guys? RoyalMate1 02:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like recent changes to the External Resources section have been somewhat spammy / self serving. I have tried to verify the quality and content of the various resources as best as I could. Also, I believe that "commercial" sites that offer relevant information should not be removed solely for that reason. The following updates have been made as a result:

Reverted link added on 4/13 by 24.117.38.196 

Official Caribbean Guide - St. Maarten
Misleading, not an official information source, no actual content

Reverted deletions made on 7/7 - 14:21 by Kww 

St. Martin / St. Maarten Restaurants - Dining guide
St. Maarten Hospitality and Trade Association - Destination site
These are both solid sources of information, no "non-commercial" alternatives available

Agree with prior deletion of link added on 7/7 - 14:31 

SHTA St.Maarten Blog Tourism Blog
This blog is of a strictly promotional nature, think we should draw the line here
(Link was already removed prior to my edits)

Deleted link added on 7/15 by 69.125.105.54 

St Maarten/St Martin Restaurants- Restaurant Information
No relevant content there

Other: 

Homogenized names / spelling of organizations and schools
Removed Zebrabot link, this site has been repurposed / changed content
Added SHTA link - the islands largest business association
Added Chamber of Commerce link - the entity that is responsible for all company registrations

InfoCatch (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

name

I think this should be at Saint Martin (Netherlands). Do English speaking people really use "Sint Maarten" - I find that hard to believe.....We dont call the Netherlands article..."Nederlands" etc. I mean why do we treat the two differently? Thanks. LeFigaro (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I happen to agree; in fact, this article started at that location and got moved to "Sint Maarten" at some point later on. The Tom (talk) 21:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The following links were removed by Ohnoitsjamie without proper consideration. After I undid the user's wrongful deletion, he or she decided to get personal and give me a warning for vandalism. The warning in undeserved, as I was acting in good faith.

I have requested that the person be specific and list the grounds for removal for each link. Also: I would like to request the opinion of other proper contributors to this page before going head on with this fellow, since I think the links are helpful.

Sorry, forgot to sign the above. I notice that the person who deleted the links is a Wikipedia administrator. Let me take this opportunity to remind him of the following: [administrators] are expected to observe a high standard of conduct, to use the tools fairly, and never to use them to gain advantage in a dispute. Wikipedia:Administrators --InfoCatch (talk) 12:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not required to give you a detailed rationale for each link's removal. I restored the airport site, and never deleted the visitstmaarten site in the first place. Official and/or non-profit sites are usually fine, as are sites of notable newspapers and magazines. Directories, portals, blogs, and similar sites rarely meet WP:EL/WP:SPAM guidelines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also note that on your first edit, you added a link to dinesxm.com, a site administered by Infocatch Business Solutions. You may want to read our conflict of interest policy (and note that WP:EL makes note of it as well). Wikipedia is not a vehicle for businesses to promote their clients, period. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for undoing most of your deletions. This leaves the business directory, the dining guide, and the news blog as removed. I would still appreciate the input of Netherlands Antilles work group regarding those. You are correct re your second note: the link was added simply because the resource is useful and I guess it withstood the test of time and some 100 revisions... I'll be happy to let members of the work group decide on whether continued inclusion of any of those links appropriate. This being a start class article, you might appreciate the fact that it takes people with an actual interest in the subject matter to invest any energy into an article's improvement. --InfoCatch (talk) 22:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't undo most of my deletions; I only undeleted the removal of the airport site. A commercial dining guide (added by the owner/maintainer of the site) is not acceptable. Period. Did you not read WP:COI? OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that`Ohnoisjamie did a good job in identifying inappropriate links.—Kww(talk) 23:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I hope that this page will thrive in the future, and that the both of you may win many Wikipedia Awards. Good luck, and have a nice day! --InfoCatch (talk) 23:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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