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Plagarism?

This article is all over the Internet, usually in a shortened form, at music sites and encyclopedia tyes of sites. How do we know who's ripping off whom? I looked into this because I was suspicious of the closing statment, "Contrast with sixth chord". That doesn't feel Wikipedian, it seems like something out of a textbook. It also sucks. Tell us why, don't just order us to go do it. This isn't Wikiversity. --63.25.105.14 (talk) 21:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested audio

I have added some audio examples. Hyacinth (talk) 09:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suspended from where?

Fundamentally, this page is wrong: a suspended chord needs to be suspended from somewhere. Just stating "However, in modern usage, the term concerns only the notes played at a given time; in a suspended chord the added tone does not necessarily resolve, and is not necessarily "prepared" (i.e., held over) from the prior chord." doesn't necessarily make it so: it simply defines a x4th chord. (example- a C4th chord)

A suspended chord, by its definition, implies a suspension; i.e. the retained note is suspended from something. It doesn't just magically happen by itself.

Joe Gerardi (talk) 22:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would be logical, but terms are not always used according to their origin. Hyacinth (talk) 08:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, the term was originally used that way but now refers to chords where there is usually no preparation and not always a resolution though both are implied. This latter fact probably ought to be mentioned since it distinguishes sus chords from add2 and add4 chords. --Jubilee♫clipman 23:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jazz chord example

Is this correct? I don't know much about Jazz chord terminology (beyond the fact they usually ignore 7ths), but as far as I can can tell the first chord is actually G7sus2sus4, ie it has both "sus" notes but not the 3rd. Gsus (ie G7sus4) would surely be G-C-D-F? --Jubilee♫clipman 23:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source says its correct. Hyacinth (talk) 13:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your cited source can say it is correct a myriad times but nevertheless it is incorrect. The first chord in the picture is from bottom to top G-A-C-F which can be seen as F/G if you consider F to be the root note, or a G7sus2/4 (albeit omiting the 3rd and 5th) if you consider G to be the root note.

Anyway, Gsus4 would comprise of G-C-D and G7sus4 of G-C-D-F, I am not quite sure what you mean by saying that Jazz ingnores the 7ths though. As far as I can tell 7ths are like oxygen for Jazz musicians.

bad example in the right-hand box

Hi all, The so-called "suspended chord" in the example box is not a suspension at all. It's what would either be called a subdominant over a dominant (IV/V) or dominant 11 (V11) - according to the way the chord is laid out and resolved, it would act as a dominant chord in both pop and classical styles. I can imagine how confusing this might be for a beginning theorist to look at. I'll try to change it ASAP with a better example, but if anybody comes up with something first this problem should be solved quickly! I also agree with some of the commentary on here - the music theory articles on wikipedia are in need of serious, organic improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.143.108.27 (talk) 13:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you notice that the image is cited as is its explanation in the article? Hyacinth (talk) 13:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

sus2/4

Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.216.120 (talk) 02:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean a suspended chord with both the second and the fourth? Hyacinth (talk) 14:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

although the fourth is far more common?

I think that needs to be taken out. Did somebody go through every song ever composed and count sus4 vs sus2. Seems silly--Brian Earl Haines (talk) 22:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"which can suggest a minor or a major tonality."

The last sentence in the lead used to read, "The lack of a minor or a major third in the chord creates an open sound, which can suggest a minor or a major tonality." The dependent clause is wrong, and I removed it. The lack of a third suggests nothing. A missing third can't suggest a minor or major tonality because the third is what defines a minor or major tonality. It's like saying that the absence of the third suggests the presence of the third, which is painfully illogical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.187.191 (talk) 20:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]