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Genoa v. Genova (disambiguation)

If you search "Genoa" meaning the type of sail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa_(sail) you are redirected to this page for Genova (city) which then links to the disambiguation page for "Genova". How do I get to the Genoa sail page by searching?

External links, the day's cleanup

The Genova, European Capital of Culture 2004 link is now kaput, since it was a temporary public-relations gimmick. I've removed it.

The Visit the town starting from the historical center" was in fact commercial link spam for an apartment rental, also removed.

The photos of Genova is a larger site than it looks, each of those photos, at least on spot-check, opening to a page of more photos.

And the official site belongs on the page, and first on the list: proof that few people care about Wikipedia, and a lot of people are out to link their websites. . . . Bill 22:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Use of accent in Gènova

Please join the discussion at User talk:Macrakis/Italian accents if you're interested. --Macrakis 05:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why no mention of the G8 meeting?

Jabbi 01:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC) I think enough violence and the killing of a person was enough said for that event[reply]

While the article mentions a number of protesters killed, only one person (20 year old Carlo Giuliani) has been reported to be killed by a Carabinieri officer in Genoa during the G8 meeting. Several protesters were beaten and seriously injured by Police and Carabinieri forces.

Suggestions for expansion

This is a nice article so far, but can I suggest you consider adding the following sections:

Geography (you can include climate here)
Culture (night life, festivals)
Economy
Transportation
Education (especially if there are major universities, institutes etc.)

Currently the article is heavily weighted towards Genoa's glorious past, but surely there are important aspects of the modern city to include, too? Thanks, Walkerma 02:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question

"U.C. Sampdoria is a football team with very few supporters. Most of them come from the suburb and dangerous districts"

Is this supposed to be a sick joke? I think It should be deleted ASAP. Thanks. Jan 16, 2007

Actually I had already deleted it yestarday. And I came back to the old version of the text as well. Daviboz 23:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

why not greek?

"knee" is "genus" in Latin and "gony" in Greek.

I add that "knee" is in Italian "ginocchio", but in the local dialect is "zenuggiu". As "Genoa" is in Italian "Genova" but "Zena" in the local dialect.

I am not an expert at all in etymology, but I would like to see good reasons not to say that the derivation is from the greek "gony".

Moreover, as it is written now it is nonsense. So, I rollback, waiting for good explanations. --Fioravante Patrone en 19:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

estuary?

Etymology, again. Why estuary? It does not fit with the origins of the city, as far as I can see. Which river?? This "celtic" origin is sometimes considered, but with a different meaning: "jowl". I delete the "source" since it says nothing relevant w.r.t. the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fioravante Patrone en (talk • contribs) 23:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

external links

I deleted a couple of external links. The last one added was on webcams in Liguria. Maybe could be of some interest (my opinion is of course negative). --Fioravante Patrone en 11:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest working lighthouse?

I have put citation needed in this sentence: The port of Genoa also contains an ancient lighthouse, called the "Torre della Lanterna" (i.e., "the tower of the lantern"). It is the oldest working lighthouse in the world, because I'm not sure this is true. As a matter of fact, there's an old Roman lighthouse still working in Spain, which is the Torre de Hércules, and I think it's older than this Genoan lighthouse. The English wikipedia recognizes so: It is the oldest Roman lighthouse still used as a modern lighthouse in the world. says the article about this Spanish lighthouse. --80.36.68.39 (talk) 21:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Joane[reply]

What about the Fortifications?

What about Genoa's fortifications? From what I know they are one of the longest walls in the world, (after China'sGreat Wall, of course!) I read somewhere that the three rings of walls add up to more then 70 km. And a mentions to the forts too. OP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.16.53.66 (talk) 09:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The name Genova is not Celtic, and it is not derived from a root meaning "mouth"

It is from a root, common to both Latin and Greek, meaning "knee", and it is quite clear from the geography of the town as to how it got this name. The other supposed "proto-Indo-European" root "genu" is referenced as "chin", which is not synonymous with "mouth" at all, as Wikipedia claims. Rather, this root appears to evoke the concept of an "angle", much like the word "knee". Clearly, the name of Genova is not Celtic, but derived from an Italic language closely allied to Latin. It is not clear, though, that the name is ancient Ligurian, which may have been a pre-Indo-European language related to Iberic. At any rate, the classical author Strabo was quite clear that the ancient Ligurians were not Celts, except for those tribes who had been Celticized, and were named by the Greeks "Kelto-Ligues".

Do you have a source for that? _{El Greco}^(talk) 21:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article claims Genoa "could be derived from a Celtic root genu-, genawa (pl. genowe), meaning "mouth", i.e., estuary, or from the Latin word of Celtic origin "ianua", meaning "door"."

But how could this be? All one needs to do is to do is look at a map. Genoa is not on any estuary and does not lie at the mouth of any river. Genoa does contain a manmade innner harbor, but from a natural geographical standpoint, clearly the proposed Celtic root is out.

The Latin name for the city, Genua, is so close to the Latin word for knee (Genu/Genus), which closely mirrors Genoa's geographical setting, as to make a Latin or related Italic origin for the city's name virtually a dead certainty. Yet this is barely glossed over in the article.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add, that deriving the name from "ianua" is a completely amateurish etymology. The ancient name of the city is "Genua", so it cannot be related to "ianua": note the "g" and "i" at the beginning of either word, these are completely different consonants in antiquity (one is like the "g" in "girl", the other is like the "y" in "yankee"); the source of this "etymology" is probably a confusion of "g" and "j" in much more recent times (both sounds have been later palatalized). 188.33.127.17 (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all. The origin of the name 'Genova' is not clear. Each hipotesis you mentioned may be true. However, please argue with references, not just with your own reasoning. If you look at the map nowadays the shapes are different from some thousand years ago when the name could be generated. By the way I cannot clearly see any knee where the old town was. Also linguistic remarks are nothing without references. Anyway the passage from 'i' to 'g' can occur, as the god 'Ianus' is called 'Giano' in Italian. Well, the entry in Italian wikipedia has all hipotesys better explained, I suggest to translate from there. Mad Toad (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for Ianus > Giano - Mad Toad, you're missing the point. The passage from 'i' to 'g' is medieval, while the name of the Genua (and the word ianua from what it is said to be derived) is ancient. So this etymology is simply anachronic, it confuses two different sounds which have merged maybe 1000 years later than it is relevant for the etymology. In antiquity, 'g' was a mute consonant and 'i' was a semivowel. It is the later (as I said, medieval) palatalization of the both sounds, that made the ground for the confusion. You have been informed, it is up to you to either remove this nonsense, or make Wikipedia rumours. 109.243.0.103 (talk) 09:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably you are right, I will put a "Citation needed" tag on that statement, since I have not the knowledge to judge it wrong. If nobody will provide a reference, it will be deleted. I will make the same note also in Italian wikipedia. Mad Toad (talk) 13:50, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found that the origin from the world Ianua is only a legend. I have a reference, which is a italian book: Teofilo Ossian De Negri. Storia di Genova. Firenze, Giunti, 2003, p. 13. ISBN 88-09-02932-1.
I'll delete the wrong statement and I could write the legend, translated from Italian. Here it follows, please feel free to put it in a better English:

The legend says that Genoa was founded by the Roman god Janus, as like the god it has two faces, one looking to the sea and one looking to the mountains. From this comes the Latin name of the city, Janua, and much iconography with the two-faced god in association with the city. Actually the name Janua can be found only from XI century, and is clearly subsequent from the former Genua, which was still used parallely.

Mad Toad (talk) 08:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms?

Shouldn't the real coat of arms be used instead of the fake one currently featured on the English page? It can be found here: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Stemma.png . It is copyrighted, but the City of Genova has already authorized its use by Wikipedia, and the coat of arms is currently featured on the Italian page. --Purple74 (talk) 17:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are right... Is authorization valid also for english wikipedia, and all other wiki projects? If so, why it is still not in Wikimedia Commons? Mad Toad (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea. Someone with an OTRS account should check ticket https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketSearch&Subaction=Search&TicketNumber=2006062810010272 and help with this. Purple74 (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flag (open discussion)

Article says "... The flag of Genoa is simply a St George's Cross, a red cross on a lime white field, identical to the Flag of England ...". Someone should read this [1] and try to improve this argument. Thank you, by Davide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.125.206 (talk) 19:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]