User talk:Jimbo Wales

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Japanese business income

I hope to contribute a business income of $12,000 that you got in Japan to the foundation.It is the fund which a Japanese user offered for Wikimedia project, and the income is not your personal income. You should do the personal diversion.--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 06:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Jimbo may or may not have something to say about this, but in the meantime, please could you provide a link to evidence that Jimbo received a business income of $12,000 from one individual Japanese user, for the Wikimedia project? Also, please tell us if you have a connection with that user? Also, please tell us if you are connected with the person from Japan that previously made enquiries about financial matters involving Wikimedia and Japan, here on Jimbo's en.wikipedia talk page? Thanks. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

• Wikimedia Conference Japan 2009　（WCJ2009） entrance fee　￥2,000 × 300 people = ￥600,000
• wikipedia10　in Kyoto entrance fee ￥5,500 × 50 people = ￥275,000
• sponsor income and money of support, miscellaneous income. ￥200,000
• Total About ￥1,075,000　= ＄13019.89

--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Presumably that $13,000 was spent on the costs of running those events. --Tango (talk) 15:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

A meeting place is an institution of a university and the support company. The expense was gratuitousness or a small sum.As for the machine parts, most are private properties of the staff.

Wikipedia10 in Kyoto is about ￥3000（＄36） actual expenses of the meal fee, and remains ￥2500（＄30）.

Therefore there is profit by appearance in large quantities.--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 15:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I think most people reading this talk page will know this, but just to be clear. I am not involved in any way in running events of this kind for Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation or Wikimedia chapters. I am not compensated by the Foundation or the Chapters in any way for my work on behalf of Wikipedia, neither a salary nor expenses of any kind. (Apart from the occasional meal at a board meeting, sharing a taxi with a paying staff member while on Wikimedia business (fund raising, press appearance, etc.), etc. Small incidentals.)

Having said all that to establish clearly that any accusations of me profiting personally from Japanese events is nonsense, I will say that I am interested in looking into it further. Local activities should be well-managed and responsibly organized. (I should note that I think it could be perfectly fine for local chapters to organize and run quality events that make a profit for the chapter. That's not always going to make sense, but there is nothing inherently wrong with it that I can think of.)

With respect to the Japanese events in particular, I know very little about them, and had nothing to do with them in any way. I am likely not the best person to ask, as I have at hand no information that isn't publicly available. This page says that the conference was organized by the Japanese Wikimedia community and the "Center for Knowledge Structuring". I assume, but I do not know, that it was this Center for Knowledge Structuring - a unit at the University of Tokyo - which acted as the legal entity for collecting money and paying expenses. I have no way of knowing whether they operated the event at a profit or loss, but it would strike me as highly surprising if they were doing anything bad.

Regarding the Wikipedia 10 event in Kyoto, it seems that the sponsors of the event were the Wikimedia Foundation and Hatena. I don't know what Hatena is, exactly, but it appears to be some kind of web company or software company. Where the registration fees went for this conference is not clear to me, and so on this point, I think our visitor has a valid question. I shall pursue it as best I can.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You gave them a patent by a former argument[1].It was done press release in Japan by wikipedia and Wikimedia Foundation when I held WCJ2009[2].Tokyo University does not participate in administration.The place was only offered. It was performed as an official meeting by Wikipedia and Wikimedia　Foundation.The meeting place of the national university juridical person was offered by the condition.It doesn't lend it for the use of mania's group. Therefore, you have a legal, ethical responsibility as the person in charge.--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 09:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't give anybody a patent or anything like it. I don't even know what that means, really! I certainly did not give permission for this meeting nor the use of our logos for the meeting, but it should be noted: I don't have anything to do with that at all.

I have now checked with the Wikimedia Foundation. The Foundation had nothing to do with either of these meetings, other than Jay Walsh appearing as a speaker. The second event (party for Wikipedia) was not an official event of the Wikimedia Foundation at all, it was just a group of users. If you thought the price was too high, you were free to organize your own party.

To repeat: I have nothing to do with any of this. I'm happy to help you research it, because I do think it is important that local community events be well-managed. But I know very little about this particular case. (And I know nothing more than what I have told you already.)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

山吹色の御菓子: I wonder if you're making all the correct assumptions regarding the finances for these events. Assuming the 2009 event sold out, this might have brought in anything from ￥300K ($3,600) to twice that - but probably nearer the lower end, since most attendees were probably students at the University. Presumably the organisers needed to at least pay for venue hire, Jay Walsh's expenses (I'm guessing he flew in for the conference) and catering for 300 people.

For the 10th birthday event, there seems to be a note on the wiki saying that any surplus would be put towards the organisation of future events. According to Google translate, there was also a party afterwards in a "suppository shop", which can't have been cheap. (I'm guessing it was actually a sit-down meal).

I'm not sure it looks likely that anyone is making a fast yen out of these events. --FormerIP (talk) 16:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The answer contradicts the fact. As for WCJ2009, Wikimedia Foundation does a patent of the holding right to them.Komura of Wikimedia Foundation permitted this[3].In the event of wikipedia 10 in kyoto, Wikimedia Foundation is written that the project composition was done as "Sponsors"[4].Wikimedia Foundation offered T-shirt and the pin batch.I sent your video visit[5].Director of foundation Ting Chen participated over a video telephone using Skype.

FormerIP: A foundation provides it with the business trip travel expenses of Jay Walsh.Based on a Japanese price level, I think that I am non-reasonable.Severe use is not decided though it is written that the residuary estate belongs to the group, and will be used it for those cost in the future. The group may donate to the religious organization and the political party for instance, and you are supposed buy an individual personal computer.The meeting place is IZAKAYA called The WATAMI[6]. IZAKAYA is a bar where plonk and meal are sold.Drinking is possible in a fixed amount system if order NOMIHODAI.In this store, the system is　[7].Because this shop is a very cheap shop, it is low fare.

--山吹色の御菓子 (talk) 15:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding references

I'm stymied by the apparent fact that the tool bar has a tool that don't do its job properly. I've been called to task for adding bare URLs as footnotes, when all I do is use the footnote tool that appears at the top as a little book with a ribbon bookmark in it. Why is it there if it doesn't make satisfactory footnotes? Or are they actually fine with you but not with some picky editors? I see the advantage of a proper footnote, but see no reason to have the beguiling little tool/icon if it doesn't do its job well. And I can't figure out how to make an MLA or APA style footnote in WP format. Yopienso (talk) 10:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

People shouldn't be so picky; they should simply get on and help you out with improving the citations by formatting them. Anyway, see Wikipedia:Citation templates for some info on formatting citations; Reflinks is a tool that helps to convert bare urls into formatted citation (though best to become familiar with it, to try it out in your user space first). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.84.62 (talk) 13:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Try the refTools gadget: Wikipedia:RefToolbar_2.0. You can add it in your My Preferences-->Gadgets. The little "cite" button is there whenever you edit a page, and does all the formatting for you after filling out a form. It is a courtesy to readers to be able to see what the reference is without having to go search on another website. First Light (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

First Light, I've not used that one, thanks for mentioning it! Should it be made part of the defaults? I think Yopienso is right, and it's unfortunate if the best answer is for people who are new to the site to have to go digging around in gadgets.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 04:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 04:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It should be a default gadget very soon, as there is strong consensus for just that in a current discussion here at the Village Pump. Nearly everyone there agrees that new users should see it in their editing tools from the beginning, since many of them don't even know that they can search for such gadgets. First Light (talk) 04:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Those who edit should learn the conventions on citing and not expect others to go round cleaning up after them. I speak as an offender in this regard .--— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht ^Talk/_Stalk 11:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It is a wonderful tool and is very easy to install and use - I have helped quite a few bad referencing editors to install it and they are always really pleased with it, as I am with the not-having-to-go-round-cleaning-up-their-mess outcome :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 17:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

You were quoted

You were quoted here [8] at ArbCom. Please check for accuracy. Best regards. Smatprt (talk) 22:18, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

In regards to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare authorship question/Evidence#Evidence presented by Jimbo Wales (subsection two), I don't understand which admins you are referring to with "I support a strong degree of thoughtful discretion on the part of admins". ScienceApologist (now user:Joshua P. Schroeder) is not, and has never been, an admin, and I can't see any admins in the merge discussion. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 02:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to ScienceApologist, as I was thinking at that moment that he was an admin. However, that was irrelevant to my remark really, so I have made an edit to change that tidbit.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Um...ScienceApologist is not an administrator? We were all led to believe he was. He closed the merge discussion and registered a finding, and in the aftermath, set himself up as overseer of the article, issuing instructions and assigning us all various duties. He was referred to as an administrator on numerous occasions (example - [9]) and never corrected anyone. If this is true, this is really disturbing. His early close and poor decision are the direct cause of so much of the dissension that has now resulted in the ArbCom case... and my earlier topic banning. Wow, I feel like I've been had.Smatprt (talk) 05:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a common misconception among editors who avoid the dark corners of Wikipedia that people who step up and organize things are admins. However, there was no attempt to deceive and anyone who jumped to the "admin" conclusion were mistaken on two counts: ScienceApologist is not an admin, and an admin can make mistakes and can be challenged just like a humble editor (i.e. politely question them at the page in dispute if appropriate, or at their talk page). Johnuniq (talk) 07:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

ScienceApologist never represented himself as an admin, and IIRC, he never commented on the case that brought about Smatprt's topic ban. It was nothing but his behaviour that brought about his topic ban. ScienceApologist's action stopped an interminiable edit war and set up the conditions that brought about the present Shakespeare authorship question page, and his decision should be used as a model for other pages troubled by WWI-style trench warfare. Tom Reedy (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

when did national scout association of Eritrea founded

Hi dear my name is YONAS i am boy scout Eritrea .As we learn in my country ERITREA scout movment was found on 1945 .But you at this article it wrote it was stared on 1950.but in 1950 it was in ETHIOPIA not in Eritrea.I hope you will be answer my quetion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.76.18 (talk) 12:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Please ask this at the Reference desk, not Jimbo's talk page. --Perseus, Son of Zeus ✉ sign here 16:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)