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Turtle coins

I'm just sayin' [1]TCO (talk) 18:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

That'll work.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Let me know when you want to do something about this. I'll need to do some research.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Could we get a GA by 01APR? If not, no worries, am a little Wiki burned out anyhow.TCO (talk) 08:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I doubt it. I don't own any books on ancient coins, so it will take a little time there and I will be in Europe the final two weeks of the month.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

U.S. state reptiles

Will you please review this article? TCO (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Reading it now.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Made all the changes you advised. Could you please take another look? For "Use", it may still need work, but please just rewrite it if so.TCO (talk) 03:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Think that thing is close. We are going to stick in the conservation content, but it's really above and beyond. No biggie, though. I would do it after regardless, just like I built picta up even after the star. I am getting the impression they just like to sit and dick around for a while before promoting stuff. Kinda different from what I'm used to in the professional world. (Have had very fast accepts at professional journals, sometimes with no revisions). No biggie. Guess, I can just get the next plane headed down the runway...TCO (talk) 07:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Interested?

Rebecca Helferich Clarke, a composer, is currently at FAR/C and could use some extra reviewer attention (review page at WP:Featured article review/Rebecca Helferich Clarke/archive1). With your recent musical FAs, I thought this might be something that you would be interested in. If not, no big deal, but any comments at all would be welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance, Dana boomer (talk) 20:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I have so many promises outstanding that it isn't likely I'll make it this far down the list.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, oh well. Thanks anyways! Dana boomer (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll try. WIth so many having asked and still waiting (well, at least four or five), that's the best I can do.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Kennedy half dollar

Hi Wehwalt. What do you think of trying to get the Kennedy half dollar article on the main page on November 22 if it gets promoted? The date is signifigant and most people will recognize it and understand why the Kennedy half dollar is on the main page on that day.-RHM22 (talk) 20:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, why not? I see you took care of those queries, well done. I got my Coin World Almanac, I'm away again but I had time to glance at it, the only thing it has about the Kennedy that we don't is a description of how Roberts went about making the design for the medal, working from an image then going over to the White House to observe Kennedy at work. Nice to have, but not essential for purposes of FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like we can just add that bit later when you have more time. By the way, I think I'm going to work on the trade dollar article next. I have a really great image of a sheet music entitled "Trade Dollar March" and I know of some really nice stuff from Harper's Weekly. Do you know of any websites that might have scans from them? If I remember correctly, HW was a Republican paper, so they should be mostly negative about the trade dollar.-RHM22 (talk) 03:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I can't think of any offhand. Sooner or later, we are going to have to work some arrangement with the ANA or Smithsonian or someone to get image.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, the Harper's Weekly stuff is just for interesting images such as political cartoons. I should be able to find a trade dollar picture somewhere since there are so many around.-RHM22 (talk) 04:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

And what are you planning to do when you hit Gobrecht?--Wehwalt (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

That's actually a lot easier than I expected at first. Remember that old book of patterns? It has several nice quality images of the Gobrecht dollar. They're black and white, but the quality looks way better than any of the other images in the book!-RHM22 (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Still, it would be nice if we had the luxury of modern images.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

That's true! The ANA is probably the best bet, but I'm not sure if they would go for the OTRS stuff, since they have to allow the images to be used anywhere for any purpose.-RHM22 (talk) 21:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Does the ANA make money off coin photos? If not, can't see why they'd care.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that they make any money from the photos, but some organizations are finicky about them for some reason. I'll also check the World Coin Gallery for images of the trade dollar, because I think that fellow gives permission for coin images.-RHM22 (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: FA nomination for Main Page

You made an offer here that I think I would like to take you up on, assuming it still stands... I am not sure how many point the article would be worth, but it was recorded in June (could be used as an anniversary, if that boosted the points for a summer appearance on the Main Page) and the original album by Judy Garland was released in 1961 (so fifty year anniversary there). This would be my first article to appear on the Main Page, so that's one point as well. Really, I was just hoping for assistance with the formatting and possibly some help with the nomination process. Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:25, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

I am happy to help. When were you thinking of asking for it to run? Summer? Do you have the release date for the Judy Garland release?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)--Wehwalt (talk) 02:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The concert was recorded on April 23, 1961 and the album released on July 10, 1961. I suppose one of those dates might be appropriate. --Another Believer _(Talk) 07:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

MIght as well start with the earlier one and that way you have a backup. I'll work up a blurb for you tomorrow, forgive me it has been a long day and I need sleep.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Nooo problem! Take your time. I feel bad--I should be writing up the blurb but I figured some assistance would help since I am not familiar with the formatting aspect. I'll be sure to note that you wrote the summary when I nominate the article for the main page. Thanks again for any help you may be able to offer! --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I will take another look at the nomination process and try to get the ball rolling soon. Much appreciated! --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

sentence case or title case?

For references? (books, articles, web pages)? I was using title until Painted turtle and then was counseled to sentence (even read up on it, it's not just a Tonyism, style guides differ). So have been doing sentence now. But now have counsel to use title. I really don't care (and I think I can dictate what happens on my articles). But mostly, I just want to set a pattern and follow it. Is pretty low value to mess around with this, especially changing stuff back and forth.TCO (talk) 10:52, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Go with the flow.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Damnit...I knew you would say that. I want to find out what "my flow" is. I could just yield on the point, if there were a strong opponent, or if it were an existing article. I just think it's a matter of deciding what I want and no one will care (that much). I had kinda bought into the sentence case thing earlier. Just want to know what my default should be.TCO (talk) 18:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Writing featured content is satisfying expectations. Always know what is important to you and that, fight for. Like I don't care where the plot is in M &J.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckles (Part 2)

Replied to your post on the talk page. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 18:33, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Just lighting this up again. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 21:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

will deal with it later--Wehwalt (talk) 22:33, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. :) I might work on something in my sandbox here in a couple. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 00:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

That is fine. Keep in mind this is developing ...--Wehwalt (talk) 07:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Carcharoth moved the, as he called "post-death", information to a section of their own. Since things are changing, him and I decided to leave it "as-is" for the moment unless something changes in the morning. Since I will be up (stupid TMJ migraine), I will keep an eye on the Twitter wires to see if anything new is reported. Right now, it is just rehashings of the same AP story from the 4th. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 07:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the TMJ, I've had that once, they gave me steroids and it went away. I'm about to go to bed, it is midnight here (I am again on the West Coast) and I've about had it. Frankly, I think at least through the funeral, stuff will change so much that it is almost worth waiting for that. Did he have his picture taken with Bush or Obama or something? Might be worth getting, a call to the White House Photo Office might be in order.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You are seriously rackin' up the frequent flier miles, so ya are. :) We have a picture on the page now of him with Bush 43, not sure if he was at the White House with Obama or not, but I can check and get back to you. I am waiting Tribune Media Services' Permissions Group to get back with me on this image. I think that one would be a really great image to use on the page as it is a high quality image and was taken just this past February, I do believe. But if it is copyrighted, we can't. I am hoping it is "non-commercial reuse". I will keep you updated on that one, should hear back from them today. Sleep Well and Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 08:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Certainly, though from my experience with Nixon, the WH photographer takes pictures of everything the president does, that is why he is there ...--Wehwalt (talk) 16:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I did a Google search for "White House Photo Office" and couldn't find a link to them. All I was getting was the Flickr stream and some Wikipedia images that had that listed. Can you point me in the right direction, please? - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 00:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Did you check the White House web site? It may have changed its name since the days of Nixon; still amazed there is yet no article on Ollie Atkins.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I did, but all it gives me are the same photos from the Flickr stream, I do believe. I will check again though. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 05:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Just looked again and the only two files they have about Buckles are the proclaimation stating US flags worldwide will be lowered to half-staff on the day of his burial and the press release from The President and First Lady. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 05:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Always remember there is a world beyond the internet and much can be gotten from a public information office.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

This is very true. I will give them a call in the morning (forgot yesterday) and will call Tribune again about that one picture. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 06:09, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

The best images are the ones you search for, very often. And you make them available to humanity by bringing them online.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Lots of finger slipping today, eh?

[2], [3], [4], [5]

:)

NW (Talk) 04:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand why there should be rollback on the watchlist page. Shouldn't people at least look at the edits? But it makes it rough on my iPhone.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:31, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You can see the edits with popups and then rollback it, I guess. Or if you're rollbacking a username like "NW is a fag!" But you're right that it isn't terribly useful. There is a fix though! NW (Talk) 16:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Aussie PM infoboxes

They were quite inconsistant, so I thusly made them consistant. There were 'only' 2 of'em with the GGs in the infobox. GoodDay (talk) 05:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

This one's a FA though. And there has been discussion of this on talk. At least use an edit summary!--Wehwalt (talk) 05:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted, per FA. For consistancy sake, I may begin 'tommorow' adding the Governors-General, too. PS: The addition of the GGs, makes the infobox look too crowded, though. GoodDay (talk) 05:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps for Menzies, but for Whitlam? There were only two. BTW, if you really feel strongly about it I won't stand in the way.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I 'might' re-revert (delete the Governors-General) in Whitlam's infobox tommorow, per consistancy. Keeping 27 articles infoboxes consistant would be daunting task. Also, I've noticed that the New Zealand PMs have the Monarch & Governor-General in their infoboxes & yet the Canadian PMs don't have the Governor General in theirs. It would be impossible to keep all the Commonwealth realm PM infoboxes consistant. GoodDay (talk) 06:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll leave it to you, as you are looking at the Big Picture then!--Wehwalt (talk) 06:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the governors-general again, for consistancy sake. If it's reverted again (by you or anyone else), I'll likely won't put up much fuss. GoodDay (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't plan to change it. This sort of thing seems to plague prime ministers articles.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Trade dollar

Hi Wehwalt. There's no rush at all, but after I'm finished with the trade dollar article, could you please go through and sprinkle in a few cites from Breen or Taxay? Right now, the only good reference work I have for that series is the Bowers book, but I don't want it to seem like I'm too dependant on that. Like I said, there's no rush at all, because I probably won't be done with it for at least several days.-RHM22 (talk) 19:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Sunday?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that'll be fine. I might not even be done with yet. I'm still looking for some Harper's Weekly stuff for the recepetion section.-RHM22 (talk) 20:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Everyone hated it. Easy.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

To put it lightly! There was a cartoon in an 1874 HW that was titled "Rags for Our Working Men—Specie for the Foreigners" and described how Uncle Sam was creating silver coins for the benefit of the "heathen Chinee". I think the fact that they were sending the coins to China was one of the things that made it so unpopular in a time when there was so much anti-Chinese sentiment. Obviously it wasn't for the benefit of the Chinese at all, but that's probably how some viewed it.-RHM22 (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

By the way, do you think the reviewer wants an image of 1964 proof half dollar or any 1964? I have a few good looking '64s that I could scan if the latter. I also have a regular proof, but it's in the Mint pliofilm so probably won't scan well.-RHM22 (talk) 20:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

No, I think his complaint is that we are showing him the accented hair, but giving him no basis for comparison. Probably Bobby would have been wise to do a larger image that contained something which gave the viewer a good sense of where in Kennedy's hair this is. When you write the section on reaction, my advice would be to let the quotes do the talking. I'm sure you can find quotes that will sound great. What I do is let my own writing become very bland so that the quotes stand out the more!--Wehwalt (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

BTW, looks like Laser Brain is doing FAC work right now. Promotions are possible.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I do that too! I know it's unusual, but I enjoy bland writing. I hate it when you read an interesting story but it's so bogged down with POV that you don't know what's true and what's not. I like the facts presented fairly and without bias. I'm definitely not going to put anything in there about anti-Chinese racism! Just like with the SBA thing, I have no evidence for that claim, just that it seems apparent when taken in context. The trade dollar story is very interesting.

If Sacagawea dollar is promoted, I think I'll nominate Flowing Hair dollar. Obviously it's short, but after looking it over a couple of times, I really think I have included everything that it humanly possible about such an old series. I think people might be interested also because of the illegal goings on in the early days of the Mint.-RHM22 (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I got permission from someone on Flickr for a 1795 dollar image! I've already sent him the OTRS stuff.-RHM22 (talk) 21:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

He has a website too, so there might be some other goodies there that we can get permission for. Here's a link to website: [6]. A lot of the images are from other places, but there are several that he has taken himself.-RHM22 (talk) 21:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I'll look it over soon. You are getting to be quite the FAC powerhouse.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It's addictive to try and get articles to FA! I suspect I will slow down tremendously after the dollars are done. I would like do an article on the twenty piece eventually, the worst and least popular coin of all time. It makes the SBA look like a media darling.-RHM22 (talk) 21:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

That should be fun. And short!--Wehwalt (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'll go for the shortest FAC ever. "The Twenty cent piece was a coin that nobody used."-RHM22 (talk) 21:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I think the shortest was one of Ealgyth's horse articles, which was about 10K.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Records says that the shortest FA is Tropical Depression Ten (2005) at around 8.5K.-RHM22 (talk) 21:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Horses, hurricanes, whatever.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It's the holy Wikitrinity: horses, hurricanes and fungi.-RHM22 (talk) 00:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention birds, cacti, and the San Marino Naval Vessel Tassahaveni".--Wehwalt (talk) 00:39, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at the images on Flowing Hair dollar! Can I nominate it for FA while the OTRS is pending?-RHM22 (talk) 01:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Helps to know a few people who are OTRS volunteers, it expedites things. I'm working on Flowing Hair Dollar now.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the file moving rights! That tool is a very good idea. Thanks also for the comments and fixes at Flowing Hair! I'll begin addressing them now.-RHM22 (talk) 14:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

What do you think I should add to with the Flowing Hair article? Do you think the background section or the production needs more flavor? I was thinking probably the background, since it involves so many very famous people.-RHM22 (talk) 19:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, exactly, no one gives a darn about Robert Scot, the articles strengths are the future subjects of Presidential Dollars, and I'm sure you will agree, always write to the article's strengths. Like with the double eagle, the strength was the battle of wills between Roosevelt, Barber, and Saint-Gaudens, and since they were kind enough all of them to leave great quotes, the article wrote itself. That's why I put in the quote from the Washington speech. An unexplored aspect of Washington (to the average Joe) will command interest, and you have Jefferson! Hamilton! How can you go wrong?--Wehwalt (talk) 04:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

What about Albian Cox? Surely he is the subject of many research papers and Google searches.-RHM22 (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Greatest president we never had!--Wehwalt (talk) 05:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the file moving rights. What a good way to start off the day. :) Much appreciated. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 15:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

no problemo.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

White House Photo Office

Called the White House switchboard and apparently the Photo Office doesn't have a photo number, website or email address. I would actually have to write to the White House for that information. Well, since they would take forever and a day, I will just wait for Obama's Presidential Library. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 17:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of Obama, it's too bad that no one made a DYK for his father, Barack Obama, Sr. I'll bet "...that Barack Obama was a muslim socialist born in Kenya?" would have gotten a lot of views.-RHM22 (talk) 18:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Or how about "'...that George W. Bush was of African descent?"-RHM22 (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

"...that Bill Clinton spent four years presiding over Chelsea?"-RHM22 (talk) 18:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

ouch. Well you tried. RHM I was talking about background. On my iPhone will answer both with more later.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, 'tis cool. I kinda expected that would happen. Pre-Obama information is easy to find with the many Presidential Libraries. Kinda like your many articles about Nixon, you just went through his Prez. Lib. (my new name for "Presidential Library"). I'm sure if something was taken, it will be released soon. Oh and Wehwalt, check your email in about 5 minutes. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 03:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Read, and I'll look into it. They love me at the Nixon Library, they went out of their way to be helpful. They even advised me to get a scanner instead of a camera, which has worked out quite well. Still, there's got to be a way on the White House thing, I'll think about it. Incidently, I'm planning to do serious work on the Nixon article itself probably in May and June. The Nixon Centennial is coming up in less than two years and getting that to FA is going to be a challenge.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

If anyone can get an article to FA, it is you. I wasn't around for the Nixon era, but if you need some help, let me know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 04:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, that is one reason I am building my self confidence with these FAs. Everyone has an opinion on Nixon. And I was around for the Nixon era, though too young to vote.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

That's what is great about not living through that era, I can't have one. :) I understand both sides (to an extent), but have no opinion one way or the other. Now, my parents, that's a different story. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 04:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. No one was neutral about Nixon who is old enough to remember him. Personally, I believe him a great but flawed man who worked hard in the final twenty years of his life to overcome Watergate and I'd have to say succeeded as well as anyone could.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

He passed away in...*looks*...1994. That is right about when I started watching the news, learning more about the world outside my own backyard. I was 13, so just figuring out what was going on in the grand scheme of things. So, I kinda just know about the stuff I read in History class, not the "Post-Watergate" stuff. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 07:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

(od)Sigh. You know you are starting to watch the sun move down the sky when they talk about "history" about the stuff you lived through ... one day you'll be talking to the post-9/11 generation who will have little understanding ... I regret I never met or saw Nixon. We lived in the next town over and while I was in college my younger brothers saw him at the store in Saddle River, where he lived.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Same with Frank Buckles. He lived about 15 miles north of me, was afraid to call his spokesperson and ask if it was OK to come for a visit (apparently he allowed alot of people to just come on by). Now, too late, gone. To be honest, my greatest brush with Presidential fame is getting a direct email from Obama before he was elected. I will forward it to you, kinda neat. I was asking about how he would help some of the areas that needed money for mental health services, he wrote back. I think it was on a Blackberry, cause you can see the tab marks on the email. Still neat. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 06:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree, neat. I have never had the attention of any President, although I've seen three (Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton). Most of the people I've written about, I'd love to meet. I only have one FA about a person known to be alive (Scalia) (Natalee Holloway is disappeared). I don't know if I'd want to meet him, though, he is a rather overwhelming person. Oddly enough, my handyman also works for him and he's told me a couple of stories (nothing unfavorable, just funny) that I can't repeat, obviously on the Web.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but watching Japan coverage all morning and helping a meteorologist friend at WUSA-TV. The most famous person I have met was Aaron Tippin, who had stopped at a Bob Evans I was working at at the time. Got an autograph. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 16:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

On the rollback matter, I thought about what you said, and yes, I could have a declared sock in that manner which would not be a rollbacker, but keeping my watchlist coordinated would be a horror.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that would always be a problem. You could talk with User:Xeno and see how he works it. I figure it would just be a complete copy and paste of his existing Watchlist. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 19:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that would work. The raw watchlist. Hmm. Do you think I can conom FAC's with myself?--Wehwalt (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey, ya never know. :) I wouldn't be surprised if it were allowed. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 19:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Just to get around the one article at a time rule ...--Wehwalt (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Jets Uniforms, Logos

Can you give the article another going over before I make it live? I added a few things in there as well as the references. Thanks. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 21:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

OK. Might be a couple of days.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Also added the lede and a gallery as well. Figured it look much cleaner than the current arrangement. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 15:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I got distracted by other things. I'll run through it. I was thinking of nomming our article for TFA on the first day of the season (if ever) but as things stand, that's the 10th anniversay of 9/11, so that ain't happening, unless the Jets play Monday night again.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:26, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

It's alright, I'm not in a great rush; once I finish this I need to rework the Broadcasting/Cheerleading squad parts of the article then I want to get some peer review and hopefully have a successful experience at FAC. As for our article, whenever the season does start, I would maybe nom it about a week or so in. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 23:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, I went ahead. Sorry about the delay. Pity you can't illustrate the changes or it would make a good list.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 23:44, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Send me a link once it is online.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

What do you think? -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 00:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Fine work!--Wehwalt (talk) 00:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Peace at last

I have parked Tom Driberg at peer review, and there it will rest awhile. I have alerted some hardcore reviewers to give it a going over, please feel free to join them. So now, having refreshed myself with a non-musical subject, I'm back in line with Nixon in China. If it's all right with you, I'll begin in usual style by working on the plot synopsis and the musical analysis. You are no doubt occupied with other projects, so I'll just trundle away for the present; you can come in with your parts when you're ready. We can use User:Brianboulton/Sandbox5 as a noticeboard. Brianboulton (talk) 23:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

That is fine, but expect that I will cut in to your parts of the article given I have the two paper sources, and of course, you should feel free to do the same. Or I can put a summary in my sandbox and you could work from that. Right now, I'm just reviewing and helping out. I have nothing prepared after my current FACs clear, and will probably put in a couple of intensive days to try to finish up Macdonald early next week and try to get old John A. to PR. I have him up to the early 1880s, so another decade and then an assessment section. I'll start reviewing the NiC sources next day or two.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not worried about you cutting in to my text on the basis of print sources I don't have - it's a joint project. You can always email your sources to me, if they're not too long. Brianboulton (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I could scan them, but I don't think it will be necessary. We'll work it through. I hope to start on it late next week and will give Driburg a look too.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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File mover

FYI, discussion on file mover. I'm of the opinion that handing out these rights (as they were designated for specifically one purpose originally) should not be given to just any "trusted user" who doesn't work in files much, but I think your take would be appreciated at that page to help determine what makes more sense. Cheers, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 03:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I looked at the discussion. I think most of the people I gave it to will find a good use for it, but I don't believe userrights should be removed absent cause so I'll take the discussion on board, but don't plan any removals. Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Understood, thanks for looking. Cheers, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 15:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Unless there is a limited number of such userrights, and unless the trusted users I gave it too totally let me down, which I don't think likely, well! If even one of them uses it properly, Wikipedia will have gained. Net positive analysis says +. Next time, if there is a strong feeling it should be restricted, someone needs to drop a note to admins, though I don't see that strong feeling, I see a couple of people. No one I have given rollbacker or reviewer to has abused it either.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Deference

I'd forgotten about this. Indeed, "defer" was the term used and it is a very apt one. Thank you! --Pete (talk) 15:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem. I should have included it in the first place.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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Progress Club

Hi Wehwalt. I just wanted to get your opinion on something. I found a scan of an 1881 sheet music entitled "Trade Dollar March". The music is dedicated the Progress Club of Brooklyn New York. I wasn't able to find much information about it, so I decided to see if you know anything about them. Firstly, do you think the name refers to the Progressive movement in the United States? It's from 1881, which is pretty early, but it's not implausible that the word "progressive" couldn't have been used in a political context at that point. Secondly, if it was Progressive politically, do you think that they would have supported the trade dollar? It seems to me that Progressive politicians would support the trade dollar and conservatives would not, but I'm not positive on that. I'm not sure if I'm going to include the scan in the article or not, since I'm not really sure it would add anything other than an interesting image.-RHM22 (talk) 04:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it had anything to do with the Progressive Movement in particular, but was probably in sympathy with its goals. I find a reference to Henry George speaking there, that indicates to me that it was a liberal organization. Perhaps its name was inspired by the famous Reform Club of London. I need to review Breen and Taxay before giving you views on the political ramifications of the Trade dollar!--Wehwalt (talk) 05:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe call the ANA library? They may know something about the march or be interested.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea! Actually, I'm starting to think that Progressives might have been against the trade dollar. Harper's Weekly, which ran several anti-trade dollar cartoons, was later a forum for Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.-RHM22 (talk) 14:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

That's an awfully thin reed to rest that on, but yes, any stick does to beat a dog with and if they were a liberal publication in an era of Republican dominance ... have you figured out whether the Trade dollar is legal tender? Some say its status as such was revived by the Coinage Act of 1965.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yup, it's legal tender now. Section 102 of the Coinage Act of 1965 says "All coins and currencies of the United States (including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations), regardless of when coined or issued, shall be legal tender for all debts, public and private, public charges, taxes, duties, and dues." I think this was done to override the section of the Constitution that says that it's unlawful to issue any money not backed by gold or silver. The tricky question is what the legal tender value of the coins is. The Coinage Act of 1873 made them legal tender up to $5, but they were later redeemed for a dollar each.-RHM22 (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Didn't that override the various statutes which placed limits on legal tender of coins? I would imagine, in theory, they are legal tender for $1 in unlimited amounts ("all" debts)--Wehwalt (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

That's what I would guess, but I'm not positive. I don't think even they knew for sure about that, since the trade dollar probably didn't even cross their minds when drafting the legislation.-RHM22 (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. It is only us people interested in numismatic history and hypotheticals, going back and reconstructing.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Do you know anything about the New York Times using the trade dollar reverse for its logo? Bowers says they used it years after the coin went out of production.-RHM22 (talk) 22:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

The trade dollar article is now in the mainspace at Trade dollar (United States coin) if you're interested. I need to find some suitable pictures for sure.-RHM22 (talk) 03:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll look at it when I get a chance. Wish I had some suggestions on images.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure I'll be able to find an image somewhere. You don't know anything about the NYT logo, do you? I'm thinking about adding that somewhere to the article, but not if there's no image to go along with it.-RHM22 (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

No, I haven't seen it but if you can find an image, it is PD as it was no doubt published before 1923. I probably have seen it and just don't remember it. What years was it used in?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, he doesn't say. It just says "Many years ago [the book was written in 1993] the New York Times adopted the trade-dollar eagle for use as a corporate trademark".-RHM22 (talk) 20:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I know I've seen a coffee-table book with famous front pages from the Times from 1851 to present (MEN LAND ON MOON); that might include it from the era. I do not think I kept it when my father died, or I'd do a scam. But perhaps a local library would have it.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll see what I can find.-RHM22 (talk) 16:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If it was on the masthead, it was gone by 1898, see here. And after 1881--Wehwalt (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Apparently the "masthead" is better termed the "nameplate". Very interesting page here but no mention of any association with the Trade dollar.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that the eagle might not have ever been on the paper itself. Perhaps the NYT used it on their stock certificates or letterhead, but not on the paper.-RHM22 (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Or corporate seal ...--Wehwalt (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I e-mailed the NYT, so we'll see what they have to say about it. I might be able to find an image online somewhere if I just knew what to call the symbol, if it was even used at all. It's possible that another paper, like the New York Herald (I believe that's what it was called).-RHM22 (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Come to think of it, wasn't there a newspaper called the Brooklyn Eagle?-RHM22 (talk) 01:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Certainly was.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:53, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I didn't find anything about the eagle design, but I did find a neat free archive of the Brooklyn Eagle from 1842 to 1902, here. It might prove useful.-RHM22 (talk) 01:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

They may say something about the Trade dollar. I plan, btw to look through my sources tomorrow. I spent all day getting John A. Macdonald in reasonable shape.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

There's no rush. I can't do anything with the article I find some photos anyway.-RHM22 (talk) 02:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments and fixes! It looks really good now.-RHM22 (talk) 14:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done yet. I'm also leaving you the scutwork of going over and fetching those references from one of the other coin articles, resolving contradictions, checking for disambigs.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's what I've got. I think the article is off to a very good start and you are to be commended. I'd find an outrageous quote or two about the abuses of the trade dollar. I'll look too.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! This my favorite dollar coin article yet. I believe I saw some quotes somewhere. Let me see what I can find.-RHM22 (talk) 17:09, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

You have Breen's Encylopedia, right? There is a great quote in there about the trade dollar. He says that the trade dollar was "an expensive mistake – its motivation mere greed, its design a triumph of dullness, its domestic circulation and legal tender status a disastrous provision of law leading only to ghastly abuses." I found the quote online, but it would be better to use the original source rather than a secondary.-RHM22 (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I used a small part of that quote, it is ref name = "b466"/ . If you can use it better, then please do and delete mine. On the same page, Breen also says that the 1884s were made for WIlliam Idler, whom he describes as "for over two decades the Mint's appropriately named fence for restrikes and fantasy coins." You can often check quotes against google books, even a snippet quote will be good enough for attribution purposes.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I can't remember where we had the discussion, but Taxay confirms that the half disme was to be struck in .892 silver. Because section 9 of the Mint Act of 1792 said that was the proper fineness for half dismes. Page 66.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

That is surprising! I never read a lot about them, but I always thought they were sterling silver rather than the legal fineness. In that case, they were almost certainly intended as a regular issue and not just a pattern. If it was a pattern, they never would have gone through the trouble of creating the somewhat complicated silver alloy that was prescribed by the Coinage Act.-RHM22 (talk) 17:57, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

This whole thing was a comedy of errors. I'm reading Breen. They totally misasayed the Spanish dollars.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

From what I can gather, they assayed the most recent Spanish dollars, which were debased. They then assayed older coins, and gathered the average from both. So basically, they calculated the average of a regular coin worth a dollar and a debased coin worth less than a dollar. To top it off, they used an illegal purity, which ripped off bullion depositors.-RHM22 (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've put in what looked interesting.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It looks great now and a lot more interesting. I just could not find any good stuff to add.-RHM22 (talk) 22:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckles (Part 3)

Overnight, I have done alot of updating to the page, including adding a couple new pictures (one of which had to be deleted, damn). I, also, put the article up for GA, but they are on a major backlog, so it might be awhile. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 15:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'll look through it again when I get the chance. I am juggling a lot of plates right now and not every article is getting as much time as I'd like to put into it.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

No worries, no rush either. I just wanted to keep you informed. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 15:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Tomorrow's TFA

Thanks for giving me the heads up that Grand Coulee was on deck for tomorrow. I can't edit the blurb but I thought mentioning the Third Powerplant and its construction date twice was a little excessive and some sentences could be combined; it seems kinda choppy. Can any admin edit them or does it have to be Raul?--NortyNort (Holla) 21:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC) I have to get ready for work now, but I made some edits to the blurb here.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Admins do but it is best to run it by Raul.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:44, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. In the future, though, don't wait for me to pre-approve edits to the blurbs if something is already on the main page or going to be there soon -- I probably don't see it in time. (If I disagree, I'll revert you). Raul654 (talk) 17:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Peer review request

If you have the time and the inclination I should be most grateful for any input on the Thomas Beecham peer review. I should like to get it up to FA standard and all suggestions will be gladly received. There is no hurry about this. Tim riley (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll put it on the list but I am way behind and no telling when I will get to it.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks. Meanwhile a drive-by editor has thought fit to close the PR after less than 2 days and has, for some inexplicable reason, nominated the article for FA. I have naturally opposed the nomination as premature (some might also say discourteous, but let it pass) and will get the PR reinstated as soon as I can. Meanwhile, sorry you are being mucked about by this other editor. Tim riley (talk) 10:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

turtle farming GA?

I just saw you were behind. Just give this a quick, look see and your opinion on what content is needed and how to go after it. Easy-peasy.

I think I am going to try to get that article up to GA. First order of business is to think through what content ought to be in there, then the organization. It has a region by region org right now, which is probably the most fundamental cut of the industry. I would like to either find or assemble an overall market size and then some segmentation (by region and turtle type, I think). Maybe more on methods. Can you take a look at it and give any advice (particularly on what content should exist)?

I have no idea what is out there research-wise. Anticipate it not being an easy, translate a market study type thing, but more of an assembly of various sources into a picture. But I'll find out, I guess.

Also, any views on good models of an article that is an industry overview?

TCO (talk) 19:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

P.s. I found an arty turtle topic as well: "Bixi (tortoise)". TCO (talk) 19:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

When I can.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

No sweat, man. Low pri and take care of other things first. I can figure it out. Also, I've added some significant content to the [state reptile]] article, but again, really low priority. Just informing you, since you gave a support.TCO (talk) 22:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Image Question

Would it be possible to take a screenshot of a C-SPAN video in lieu of an actual image and if so would that screenshot be fair-use or non fair-use? - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 20:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know for sure what the status of CSPAN is. You might want to research.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Status as in how? Like Government, network? - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 20:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Government. I assume they have copyright on what they do because I've never seen CSPAN mentioned as a source for images.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it is owned by National Cable Satellite Corporation (cable companies), it just shows government programming. The reason I want to use it as an image is I can't find a non-copyrighted image of Frank Buckles lying in honor. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 21:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

My gut reaction is that fair use won't survive review. My best suggestion is to try to get a release from someone who put one on Flikr.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:34, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

• Well, I found what I was looking for. A DoD photo of Buckles lying in honor. We can use this under {{PD-USGov}}. I just have one question, in this section, which would look better? 1- The Photo; 2- The Quote; 3- The Photo and the quote. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 23:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I think the image. But I suspect the text will expand and both will fit comfortably!--Wehwalt (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

They did and looks great. Just gotta work on the lede and it is done. Hell, I think at this point it is FA quality to be honest. Give it a look-see. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 00:56, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

26 hours of non-stop editing is completely. Thanks for your help today. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 01:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I will have some time tomorrow. I've seen your unceasing labors on this. Well done.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Not to interrupt, but I really like your article, and I cannot think of a better subject to write about. Not sure if you're interested or not, but I came across an interesting photo on the DoD website. It shows the unveiling of the official Frank Buckles portrait. You should be able to use it, because the photographer has apparently released it. Here's the link.-RHM22 (talk) 01:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I think the copyright tag for your image is this: {{PD-USGov-Military-Army}}.-RHM22 (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey RHM, I saved the image to my computer and will check it out in full tomorrow and see if it is useable on the page, since it is pretty packed with images as it is. If not, we could probably use it elsewhere, just not sure where at this moment. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 02:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, don't bother if you can't find any use for it. There is no greater "wikipleasure" than an article where there are too many images to fit!-RHM22 (talk) 02:20, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that is the kinda of article you love. I may have to use it though. Commons is having some concerns over the image in the infobox. Some say it is from the Buckles Family, some say Library of Congress, others say the Army, still others the Pentagon (myself included), and still others say they aren't sure. Some say PD, some say fair use, some say government. It's confusing. No matter the side, it is looking like it will be removed from Commons, which removes it from Wikipedia. If that happens, I will be able to move some things around and use it. We will wait and see. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 02:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

That seems odd, since the photo is from 1917. It doesn't matter if it is PD in England or not, because the Wikipedia servers are in the United States. Now, if it's not PD in the country of origin (England), you can't upload it to Commons, but it should be fine if it's just on Wikipedia.-RHM22 (talk) 02:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but it is the publication date that governs, not the date it was taken.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:37, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I guess a photograph doesn't count as an artistic work?-RHM22 (talk) 03:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Upon closer inspection, that doesn't work either. I'm sure there aren't any records as to who took the photo.-RHM22 (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I am awaiting to see what Commons does with an exact image, just under a different name, before I decide what to do with the image on here. Since we have FUR notices on the image here on Wikipedia, we have it sourced, and other tags, I think it is safe. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 12:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Good! I really like that image, and I hope it's allowed to stay on the article.-RHM22 (talk) 03:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Nixon in China

Per the note I have left in Sandbox 5, I am off the internet at present, except for occasional visits to my town library. There is a serious telecoms problem affecting my house, and it may still be some days before this is resolved. So at present I am very limited in what I can do; no reviews, no responses to Driberg review comments, and work on N in C restricted. I posted the N in C music section before the breakdown, and have just posted a revised plot synopsis. I'll continue to do what I can - sorry I can't respond immediately to your copyedit request. Brianboulton (talk) 14:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Good luck. This too will pass.

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Your Pestering Mentee Here

I understand you are busy but if you do have a spare moment, I have New York Jets up for peer review and I would appreciate any feedback before I go to FAC. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 22:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I saw the request. I'll look at it. I was shaking my head at how many of the people I've worked with get a taste of FAC and can't wait to get back. I will try to get to it this weekend.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't exactly say I CAN'T WAIT, it's more of a lets get this over with thing. I've been working on this article and ours since July and it is time to move on to other projects. I will admit though there is some eagerness. You must have that effect on people :) -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 02:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

FAC is sort of like an intellectual battle, in which the best strategy in my view is to fight as little as possible. Thus, you do as much as you possibly can before the FAC in the hopes that reviewers will see the points you really care about as fait accomplit. Incidentally, I always find time for people I've been co-writers with. Reviewing is a different state of mind for me than writing, and then I find it hard to get back in writing mode. Yet reviews are essential, not only because any FAC writer is expected to review, but also because I feel it is important for me to encourage writers I've worked with like yourself and my other "talk page stalkers". I'm one person, I can only do so much. Important as some of my articles may be (most are trivial but one or two I think are the best work on the subject available), (good luck finding a better Jets history than the one we wrote; Eshkenazi's book only goes up to 1997) building the next group of FA writers is critical, you guys are further from burnout than me. People who can build on my mistakes and learn from them!--Wehwalt (talk) 20:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Response to reversion on my Nixon edit

Hi. I'm somewhat new at Wiki editing so please excuse any newbie errors. I understand you may be an editor and therefore have a Wiki authority to summarily undo and then fix later, although I find that irritating since, in my view, you ought not to revert if you can't fix it at the same time. It's not as if I wrote some unsourced and obvious vandalism. In any event, to your criticisms: Your reversion says that "elipses are not acceptable on such a sensitive quote. I'll deal more with this when I have more time". The ellipses were in the original (from Perlstein's book). They were not put in by me. And you also deleted my sources which should be listed in any listing of Books on this President. And, yeah, he had a potty mouth. That's just the way he rolled. kraljevica (talk) 21:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC) Alexandanu

I'm not involved in this article, and I have no opinion on whether or not the quote should be included. I did want to add, though, that it appears as if the em dash (—) is probably what was intended, as ellipses are usually meant to denote that a section of speech has been removed from the quote.-RHM22 (talk) 21:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

That is what concerns me. Please keep in mind, Alexandanu (and welcome to the wiki) that the quote is in there to prove a point, that Nixon was anti-Semitic. That's what Perlstein is trying to prove there. There is text missing, and this is a highly controversial point. Perlstein is not the original for that comment, most or all of Nixon's tapes are publicly available. I could not fix it because I personally do not have the rest of that comment, but it can't be included piecemeal. The fact that he chose to cut with ellipses to prove a point doesn't mean that we should, we have a higher standard. I would have no objection to the original of it without the ellipses, that is, with the missing text supplied. I suggest googling with the words in the speech. And when I have a moment, I'm going to change "anti-Semitic comments" to "comments deemed by some to be derogatory towards Jews." And yes, I am fully aware that Nixon used expletives, which were famously deleted. The Nixon article is a mess, I intend to spend time getting it in order, hopefully in May.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The Virginia Repukes were against the box turtle, and then Republicans for Reptiles was formed to lobby them...and they got enough Republicans...but the Democraps went off the reservation and shot down the state reptile. Looks like both sides don't have their priorities straight. Can't even trust these guys to stay bought.

All that said, I hate the box turtle as a choice. Especially the North Carolina tie-in. Painted turtle would be better (yeah a lot of other states use it, but none in the Southeast and none are so much associated with it...plus it is friskier and better looking). We could do a rattlesnake, but WV is using it. That said, it has a tie-in with 1775 militia flags and the like. Copperhead has bad connotations. I think water moccasins are cool, but they aren't that popular and really only occur in a small part of the state. Terrapin is too Marylandish. Some kids class was pushing for the loggerhead sea turtle, but it really doesn't do that much in VA and is more appropriate for SC and FL. Really, I think I could get C. picta throught eh process. There is even a regional VA name for them (skilpot). Legislators eat crap like that up. I'm kind of thinking out loud, but either rattlesnake or painted turtle seem best for VA.

Not certain Nixon had definite views on reptiles. I'm sure he was used to iguanas and snakes and so forth, growing up in semirural LA County.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I remember living in Sand Dog. Brought my little gf over to some friend's house and she freaks when a well over 2 foot (I kid you not) lizard comes running under the futons. Turns out, there are alligator lizards all over Point Loma. And the house was an old bungalow that had a section of patio built into an extension. And the lizards thought that still counted as outdoors!TCO (talk) 20:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

File:Sandiegoalligatorlizard.jpg

like this except way fatter and bigger...damned thing looked like a mini alligator...it wuz a big un!

Question

Since you only helped behind the scenes, do you think you could do a peer review on the Frank Buckles article? If so, please let me know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 15:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

User:ResidentAnthropologist has taken up the PR cause. Thanks though. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 18:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll give some comments anyway. I'm sorry, you're too fast for me.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:07, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I asked a couple people, but if you can do it today, I can let RA know. He would only be able to do it tomorrow and I would kinda like to get to the FA process quickly, cause that is where the real waiting happens. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 19:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Right now, I'm working on a couple of things, but I'll try to get to it in a bit. I am presently in the UK and it is 8 pm here already.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Dude, seriously, put down the luggage and back away from the airplane slowly. You fly too much. :) I will let RA know that you will be working on it and he can throw in information he thinks should be added as well. :) Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 19:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I hate flying, seriously. I feel better about it with a couple of drinks in me. Come May 31, which is the end of two tours from now, I intend to sit home for a good long time.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Tours? What are you, a rocker? :) Wehwalt, the Wiki Rockstar. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 20:07, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Read further down my userpage.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Cool! So you are a rocker!...kinda. That's neat! If you ever get associated with Metallica, Linkin Park, or Alice in Chains, let me know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 20:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Kinda. I just hang out, take photos, and post a few on Wiki. I'm an honorary rocker. I can't even read music.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Honorary is better than nothin'. :) Hey, I worked on a good portion of the posts you made on the PR, but this damned TMJ migraine is kickin' my ass, so I am going to put a hot washrag on my head and lay down for a couple. Will be back soon, though. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 21:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem. Take your time, it is your article.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Back to Canada

That's wonderful news, and I'm honoured. What are we looking at in terms of time frames? I would love to help but I'm just absolutely swamped with work, as I'm just finishing up the last semester of my undergrad. - The Fwanksta (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)