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Unititled

The farm bill isn't really a 'farm subsidy' bill. It covers many other areas of ag policy. I'm going to hold off on working on this article until a bill passes, because right now it seems to change on a daily basis. ike9898 (talk) 16:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its budget is ~50% farm subsidies, so I think it's safe to call it a farm subsidy bill. johnpseudo 18:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that the bill has made some attempt to close the "Enron Loophole", and some discussion of this point would be worthwhile. Although perhaps that subject itself is large enough that it would make sense to have a separate page, and a link to it from this page. Ericy (talk) 12:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone add a section or maybe a chart that explains where the billions of dollars are going.Mantion (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Johnpseudo - where did you get that 50% from? From my understanding, that is way off. In reality, about 68% of the bill is for nutrition programs, aka food stamps. The remaining third is farm subsidy. I will work on a chart for this later.--Longstreet9 (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering if you all have any info about the actual monetary break down (amount and percent spent on food safety, commodity programs, administration, nutrition ect.) Also, I think that some information about the way in which commodity subsidies are spent (types of crops) would be really helpful. And do they still spend taxpayer money on building waste ponds for CAFOs?

Question

I have a question regarding the text "current cap on payments to anyone making over $750,000 per year" as it currently appears in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_U.S._Farm_Bill. Perhaps knowledgable individuals can comment on these questions: What is meant by "making"? Does this mean "gross" income from the farm, i.e. the total money collected from the sale of produce from the farm? Or does it mean what is left after expenses (i.e. "net" income)? An add on here is "How much do farmers actually take home?" And who is "anyone"? Does this apply to any entity engaged in farming? Both "sole proprietor" family farms and corporations?Johnfravolda (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This might answer a couple of your questions. I believe the $750k figure is net farm income. So theoretically you could make $400k in stock, $1.2million in farm income, and invest $500k in farm supplies and still receive subsidies. As far as the specifics of who gets the money- This will help. It's quite convoluted, and there are many urban-dwellers who get cash just for having a stake in a company or partnership that farms. johnpseudo 20:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Concern

I'm new to this so I won't edit anything but what about this from the article-

President George W. Bush has also expressed opposition to the bill, and vetoed it because of its high cost and negative impact on poorer farmers; his veto threat enabled numerous Republican congressmen to attach pork to it, making the bill more expensive than it would have been had not threatened to veto it and forced Democratic leaders to let Republican congressmen attach pork to it.[13]

The problem is that the citation mentions nothing about pork or the veto threat allowing extra things to be added to the bill. Unless someone can find a source for this, I'm going to remove the portion about pork, as there is no backup for it.--Longstreet9 (talk) 20:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update tag

I've tagged the article with {{update}}, as the first sentence says the bill in still under consideration, and the rest of the article stinks of having been updated a few words at a time.

  • "The House voted to overturn the president's veto shortly thereafter, and with the margins by which the bill was passed, a Senate override also happened; so The Congress overrode the president's veto, passing the bill into law"
  • "President George W. Bush has also expressed opposition to the bill, and vetoed it because of its high cost and negative impact on poorer farmers; his veto threat enabled numerous Republican congressmen to attach pork to it, making the bill more expensive than it would have been had not threatened to veto it and forced Democratic leaders to let Republican congressmen attach pork to it."

This is a train wreck. It needs to be rewritten. Melchoir (talk) 06:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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