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Notability

I have strong reservations about the notability of the subject. I don't see how it is different from a faculty or department in a university - something we very seldom have articles about. I don't see significant coverage by secondary sources either - the only thing I see is one ranking, 31st by Outlook - not very promising or notable. This issue was raised before, which was the reason for the create block. The article was only released from the block to be created as a redirect. Rather than simply reverting, I am leaving this here for a short discussion, barring very strong sources for notability, it will be reverted to the redirect. --Muhandes (talk) 09:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: after looking more carefully at the material it mostly seems to be copyright violations - copy pasted from either the official website (which is copyrighted) or other sources. I am obviously going to remove all blatant violations, and I ask here that they are not restored. This just strengthens the problem of lack of notability. --Muhandes (talk) 09:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did my best - I removed most blatant copyvios and moved things around. At this point I'm quite convinced the article fails the requirements for notability, but I'll leave it be for a day or two for discussion and addition of significant coverage. --Muhandes (talk) 11:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

University Institute of Engineering & Technology is an in-campus "Institute" of Panjab University. It is a self-financed institution. It does needs a separate page as it is not only a University Department, but it is having its own Identity in India. It is having affiliation from the "All-India-Council-For-Technical-Education". It is having more than 2500 students, built in 15 Acres in the South Campus of Panjab University, Chandigarh.

About the Information about Hostels and Library, UIET is having its own Library plus University's Main Library is accessible to its students. Please visit the official Website of the Institute.

Please remove the Notability Clause from this page. —--SARVPRIYE SONI, Student Of B.E CSE, Panjab University, Chandigarh 16:35, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Really Sorry about the copyright, it is my fault that i just overlooked the fact that copying from the official site is also copyright, but i believe someone could take permissions for that too. Everything aside, one thing i can assure you is that 'Outlook', 'Mint', 'IndiaToday' are the best 3 surveys for colleges in India, No one would doubt that in India. Even the WIkipedia page for College Rankings has Outlook Survey ! :) Anshul Kashyap (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@Muhandes, maybe this was the reason... I being a resident of Chandigarh, India believed that this college to have high reputation and notability in India. My cousin passed out from the college, so know quite a bit about it. Even i am hoping to get admission in it one day(so that can be a Day scholar)! :) Its one of the rising on song colleges these days! :) Ask any Indian friends if you like :) Anshul Kashyap (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been supported by WikiProjects India and WikiProject Chandigarh. I this now the Notability tag can be removed.

SARVPRIYE SONI(Wanna Talk?) 13:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

requests for keeping the page

Requests

Request

I request WikiPedians from WikiProject-Chandigarh to please help sorting out things here on this page. I request all the WikiGnomes from WikiProject_India and WikiProject-Chandigarh to please save this page, as University Institute of engineering & technology is one of the prestigious Institutions of the country.SARVPRIYE SONI, Student Of B.E CSE, Panjab University, Chandigarh 16:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC) SARVPRIYE SONI, Student Of B.E CSE, Panjab University, Chandigarh 16:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarvpriye (talk • contribs)

Request

I request to all Wikipedians from WikiProject Chandigarh and WikiProject India to Please save this

Request

I request to all Wikipedians from WikiProject Chandigarh and WikiProject India to Please save this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.87.146 (talk) 10:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another request

I request WikiPedians from WikiProject-Chandigarh to please help sorting out things here on this page. I request the WikiGnomes from WikiProject-India and WikiProject-Chandigarh to please save this page, as University Institute of engineering & technology is one of the prestigious Institutions of the country and is a pride to the city.SARVPRIYE SONI, Student Of B.E CSE, Panjab University, Chandigarh 16:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarvpriye (talk • contribs)

I've put all the requests in a collapsible section. Requests which are not backed up by anything are meaningless. They are, if at all, going to reduce the chance of keeping the page. But do go on.

Institute/Department discussion

According to my research in WIkipedia, Departments of Universities do not require a separate page and should be merged until and and unless they have a separate identity(like an institute). I also read that even departments can have a page if the University has a lot of other departments and if that department is one of the main departments of the University. This way UIET has around 2100-2200 students(maybe more) out of 13,000 students of the University and is a major Part of the University in all respects(In respect to Infra, Faculty,Staff,Politics as well) Moreover, I confirmed that UIET is an institute and not just a department. This can be explained the following way: The Panjab University has 'HOD(Head of Department)' as the authority for all its departments, while UIET has the authority as the 'Director' under whom there are 6 more 'HOD(Head for Department)'. Thus, this way UIET is considered a separate Identity. Anshul Kashyap (talk) 18:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

University Institute of Engineering and Technology is definitely not just a department of Pajab University, it is a full-fledged engineering institute. An institute very similar to UIET is Chandigarh College of Engineering and Technology (CCET). CCET is another college under Panjab University and has a wiki page of its own which makes it all the more certain for UIET to have one. In terms of affiliations from government bodies too, UIET and CCET have the very same status, both being Engineering colleges under Panjab University. Therefore this article should not be reverted on the grounds of UIET being 'just another department of Pajab University'--Swasti Bhatia (talk) 19:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since lots of people here don't seem to know what talk page etiquette is about, I sorted the page a bit. To answer all questions, let me quote from the template itself:


See, that you think it is important is meaningless. Everything you might say is meaningless without significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That's what WP:GNG and WP:BIO require. So far all I see are two rankings, none of which have significant coverage. --Muhandes (talk) 21:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I want to thank Swasti Bhatia for convincing me UIET is not notable by giving CCET as an example. CCET has it's own domain (ccet.org). UIET's domain uiet.puchd.ac.in is part of puchd.ac.in, just like the history department history.puchd.ac.in. CCET has it's own logo. UIET shares the Panjab University logo, just like the history department. CCET has it's own campus. UIET is an on campus institute. UIET looks more and more like a glorified department of Panjab University. If you want to establish otherwise you will need very significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, just as I said above. --Muhandes (talk) 21:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage, hmmm.. i am not really sure what you mean by that, by in the literal sense, Both the Sources are popular print media in India. Infact, I am not really sure which other thing can be provided if these rankings are worthy. Even if we search for Engineering College rankings in India. There are only 4-5 Print Media who take out these rankings and whose rankings can be cited. As i said before even Wikipedia uses the Outlook Ranking(Magazine) if not the Hindustan Times -Mint(newspaper). Kindly search for both on google, Mint is the most read newspaper in Delhi region and even outlook Magazine is pretty reputed. Kindly Google them both. Anshul Kashyap (talk) 21:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I guess Swasti Bhatia was saying the opposite thing. And as far the the logo is concerned, as i mentioned before, UIET's Logo is in the Process of Being made. Kindly Check out UICET, University Institute of Chemical Engineering Technology, Panjab University. You Would notice that even they have a separate logo. Only the 'Institutes' can have their own logo, the departments cannot. Moreover, the names of both are different. If we see the University Website, The Departments are named as 'Economics Department, Physics Department, Etc. Whereas the few 'Institutes' of the University have the word 'Institute'in their name.
The University has affiliation with many off-campus institutes all over Punjab. the fact that it is on-campus makes it even more prestigious. Anshul Kashyap (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.mdraonline.com/Expertise.aspx, For the Print Media(Magazine) -Outlook, this is the Company which does the survey for them and http://www.cfore.org/ does the surveys for Hindustan Times. We could check if these organizations are reliable or not Anshul Kashyap (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage means the subject was reported on, written about, described, commentated on, or in any other way details about the subject were published (in reliable sources that are independent of the subject). Rankings are not considered coverage at all, since although they are reliable and independent, they just mention the subject, they don't discuss it.
I am well aware that Swasti Bhatia was aiming to show the other thing, but he managed to convinced me of the opposite of what he meant.
I am well aware of The fact that the naming does not include "faculty", which is why this discussion is even taking place - to determine if there is significant coverage showing that it isn't a mere faculty named differently.
As for being on campus, it may be more prestigious, but less notable. Please read WP:N about the distinction. --Muhandes (talk) 22:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If UIET is the only Engineering college affiliated to Panjab University, then an article may not be merited. The outlook rankings and prestige is a non-issue. We can include that in the main Panjab University article under the relevant section. Lynch7 05:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all thanks a lot to all of you for taking interest and spending so much time on this page. Panjab University has the following engineering faculties both on and off campus.

On Campus

  • Sophisticated Analytical Instrumentation Facility, CIL and UCIM (Department)
  • Stem Cell & Tissue Engineering (Department)
  • University Institute of Chemical Engineering & Technology (Institute)
  • University Institute of Engineering & Technology (Institute)

Off Campus

  • Swami Sarvanand Giri Regional Centre(SGGPURC)

CCET(Chandigarh College of Engineering and Technology) is also in Chandigarh and is the under the purview of Panjab University. The Irony is that UIET is indirectly managing the syllabus/Format/Examination/Externals of Both SGGPURC - http://ssgpurch.puchd.ac.in/ (puchd domain) and CCET - http://www.ccet.ac.in/ on behalf of Panjab University. Both the institutions have separate pages in wikipedia. The rankings even with respect to the cut-offs are much better http://chdenggadmissions.nic.in/PDF/rank_list_2010.pdf. Chandigarh also had a 3rd Engineering College(now a university - PEC), which was also affiliated to the University till 2003 - http://pec.ac.in/institute/aboutpec.asp. So there even was a time when there was another Engineering Institute with Panjab University. Even If he leave aside other institutions, just talking about UIET. There are different Departments having separate 'Head of departments' reporting to the Director-UIET, now also having Dual-Courses(B.E.+ M.B.A.) and Doctoral Courses. http://uiet.puchd.ac.in/

  • Biotechnology
  • Electrical and Electronics
  • Electronics and Communications
  • Computer Science
  • Mechanical
  • Information and Technology
  • Management Courses
  • Doctorate Courses

UIET has more than 2200 students(1/7 times the total strength of Panjab University-14,000 including correspondence)and more than 100 faculty members. I know, we would have to provide proper citations(i need your help!) , I think we wont be able to provide all the information if we have it merged with Panjab University. UIET was established in 2002, if not now, I guess we would need this page within the next year.There are a lot of pages reporting/discussing on the events/conferences/camps organized by UIET, i dont know if that counts as discussing UIET. Anshul Kashyap (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://chdenggadmissions.nic.in/AboutUs.htm All the Engineering Institutions of this councelling(Check Link)have separate Wiki Pages(Except UIET) irrespective that UIET is ranked much higher than the rest (Except PEC). I guess it would give a pretty wrong impression to any outsider who is dependent on Wikipedia Anshul Kashyap (talk) 11:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly Check out these links, These are newspaper links if it can be of any use

I guess, Not all of them might be reliable sources, but still these are reviews on UIET by 3rd party sites

-- Anshul Kashyap (talk) 12:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide the wikilinks to these separate colleges please? Lynch7 13:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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